CCHR Mary DeMoss Panton is still very much IN the cult

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Post by Sea Horse » Tue May 06, 2008 11:42 pm

I don't understand the conflict here. J Swift's subtle digs aren't really clear to me. Patty seemed to be mentioning data (source and details, notwithstanding). I hope the two of them understand what they're arguing about, 'cause I sure don't.

Hey, why don't we just ask Mary DeMoss directly? Write her at her Mom's home:
c/o Liz Adams
315 Edgewood Ave
Clearwater FL 33755

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Post by number 6 » Wed May 07, 2008 12:23 am

J. Swift thinks Patty broke the news on purpose. I don't know why. He should just suck it up, if he was wrong about the Mary Go Round. But of course, we should wait until we are all certain.
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Post by Roan » Wed May 07, 2008 1:36 am

Patty Pieniadz wrote:As far as you connecting any dots and accusing me of being OSA, feel free to meet me over at the Thunderdome on Enturb.org

I somehow doubt you will. But ya never know.

http://forums.enturbulation.org/38-thun ... post230221
:shock: Wow.

I just went and checked out what "thunderdome" is. It seems to be a section of Enturbulation.org that is set up to allow obscenity, dirty language, disturbing pictures, personal attacks, rudeness and violent verbal/pictorial imagery.

It's perfect for you.

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Post by PTS » Wed May 07, 2008 1:48 am

I just visited the CCHR web-site. There is no mention of Mary Panton DeMoss.
If you type her name in "Search" nothing comes up.
Your search - mary panton demoss - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:
Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
Try different keywords.
Try more general keywords.
Try fewer keywords.

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Post by J. Swift » Wed May 07, 2008 2:31 am

Patty, I do not consider you to be OSA at all and did not say that. Sometimes being a Scientology critic puts people into Twilight in the Badlands where one is not exactly sure who is who or who is on what side. One has to be willing take risks to talk to people. Some of that talk migrates back online and it seems to have come from the other side. A critic might get used by the other side and not even know it. I just have my doubts here. I also do not see any evidence of Mary DeMoss/Panton being active anywhere. That is subject to change. Maybe she will surface this Saturday in Hollywood at the Industry of Death Museum with that sparkling personality of hers that makes Helena Kobrin seem pleasant by contrast.

Patty, we will have to agree to disagree here.

For people who think that OCMB is high school and is all about popularity and taking exception to affronts to popularity, let me remind you that we are fighting Scientology. If I do certain things, it is my business and I will take the backlash from it. I am interested in getting to the truth of a matter. I am not at all convinced that Mary DeMoss/Panton is back at CCHR. Call me skeptical. Buy me 12.5 hours of auditing at Flag and that will still not convince me. For all I know, the Cult is looking to start flame wars at anti-Scientology sites as a distraction to what might be about to happen to The Freewinds and its Captain. There is always a cluster of Scientology lies to be blown, and then there is the next cluster to be blown and so forth. That is the life of Scientology's critics: We must relentlessly audit Scientology via the internet until all of their BT's and CT's blow and Scientology disappears because it has no mass, location, or wavelength in space. Moreover, we must audit Scientology for free because the Cult is out exchange and can only pay us in the coin of its continuing tragicomedy.

See ya' at the Special Critics Auditing Globally Scientology (SCAGS) on 10 May. I will be there in my capacity as The Commodore of the Marcab Confederation. Someone had to take responsibility for the Marcab Confederation and so I did. I will be awarding Anonymous Medals of Freedom once again as I did last time.

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Of course, I could be like Tom Cruise here and just excuse all of my behavior by saying, "It was a moment."

There.

It was just a moment.

See? It was just a moment Oprah. Looking back, I might do it all over again.

Oh, and another Tom Cruise line I can use, "Oprah, look at the way things get blown out of proportion on the internet!"

This whole misbegotten thread was just a moment. It all got blown out of proportion on the internet!



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Post by Sea Otter » Wed May 07, 2008 8:36 pm

Sponge wrote:
I think I have a fair idea of why someone from Co$/CCHR would want to be lobbying in the Florida State Capital at this moment in time (whether it is dipshit DeMoss or anyone else).

I'm not going to say just yet. ;)
You probably won't find it by googling unless you know precisely what you are looking for. I found it by unrelated accident earlier today.
Let me guess: Tallahassee is hosting a convention of a) psychiatrists b) pharmaceutical groups c) TeenScreeners, or, at the other end of the spectrum d) Narconut/Crimanut/Second Chump front groups. And John Travolta/Kirstie Alley/Priscilla Pressley just happened to be in town to make a little noise about bad, eeevil a, b, or c, or about good, wise, benevolent d, while coincidentally with his/her dear friend Mary DeMoss.

Or maybe there's some pending bill re ritalin/flouride/other eeevil drug, or perhaps legislation about the menace of school nurses destroying the mental health of little Florida schoolchildren, because the nurses are actually (c'mon, you know this) MARCABIAN PSYCHIATRISTS in disguise!

I will now pleasurably google "school nurse marcabians"...

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Post by lulu_belle » Thu May 08, 2008 3:46 am

Is it possible she blew and got recovered?

It used to happen all the time when I was in.
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Post by moontaco » Thu May 08, 2008 5:24 am

lulu_belle wrote:Is it possible she blew and got recovered?

It used to happen all the time when I was in.
That seemed to be what J. Swift was saying had happened (unless I misunderstood him).

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Post by J. Swift » Thu May 08, 2008 6:11 am

moontaco wrote:
lulu_belle wrote:Is it possible she blew and got recovered?

It used to happen all the time when I was in.
That seemed to be what J. Swift was saying had happened (unless I misunderstood him).
I had Source Special K call CCHR recently and ask for Mary Panton. The receptionist had no idea who Mary Panton was. If CCHR does not know who Mary is, then draw your own conclusions. Patty P. started this thread and said that Mary was in Tallahassee doing work for CCHR. I can find no solid evidence that this is the case. Patty and I are in disagreement on this one issue. Other than that, we are cool.

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Look, the Investigative Method is easy, quick, and fully legal. It this simple:

1. You have a phone.

2. CCHR has a phone.

3. Use your phone to call CCHR's phone and then ask for Mary Panton.

4. See what happens and report back on OCMB.

These steps can be done from the comfort of your own Home, Implant Station, Compound, from your private business jet, or even from a luxurious sofa in Telluride. Go ahead, call CCHR and just ask:

CITIZENS COMMISSION ON
HUMAN RIGHTS (CCHR) INTERNATIONAL
6616 Sunset Blvd.
Los Angeles, California 90028, USA
E-mail: humanrights@cchr.org
Phone: (323) 467-4242, (800) 869-2247
Fax: (323) 467-3720

Alternately, I suggest asking SuzanneMarie because she has 99% of the answers about All Things Scientology. At least Suzy knows that "they" don't know about certain things either.

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Post by Sea Horse » Thu May 08, 2008 8:00 am

Try Clearwater:

Citizens Commission on Human Rights Florida
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Phone: 727-442-8820
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Post by Sponge » Thu May 08, 2008 2:24 pm

Call up the ranting bag Jan Eastgate. She's the boss of CCHR International. If she suddenly seems to have a memory lapse then you know something is up.

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Post by Dorothy » Thu May 08, 2008 4:30 pm

I called CCHR CW and asked if Mary DeMoss was doing work for CCHR in Tally. They said no.

I called around to some friends in CW who know about Mary and also someone on the inside at Flag. All said that as far as they know, Mary is still considered a Justice particle, is off lines, not on the Basics like everyone else, not on any service, etc.

Patty P. wrote:

"Mary DeMoss Patton was at the Florida State Capitol in the past two weeks doing lobbying work for CCHR."

In order to be a lobbyist for anyone, you have to be registered at the State Capital. So, I went to the Florida State Capital website where they have the list of all registered lobbyists, which must be posted. Here are all lobbyists with last name D or P, with the links:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/lobbyist/Ind ... t&Submenu=
2&Lobbyists=By%20Name&Letter=D&NextLetter=E

D'Aiuto
William S. D'Aiuto

Daly
Christy K. Daly
Erin Courtney Daly
Kathleen M. Daly
Sean Daly

Daniel
David T. Daniel
Kathryn L. Daniel

Daniell
Walter E. Daniell

Darling
Douglas A. Darling
Wilfred A. Darling

Daughton
James R. Daughton, Jr.

David
Dennis N. David
Monica David

Davis
Jennifer Krell Davis
Matthew Davis
Steven F. Davis
Terry L. Davis

Davison
Richard D. Davison

de la Parte
Edward P. de la Parte, Jr.

De La Rosa
Rebecca J. De La Rosa

Dean
Isaac Henry Dean

DeBeaugrine
James Pierce DeBeaugrine

DeCastro
Martha G. DeCastro

Dee
David S. Dee

Deen
Jeffrey Deen
Sonya R. Deen

DeFoor
J. Allison DeFoor, II

Dekle
Carolyn A. Dekle

Del Bianco
Steven Del Bianco

del Cerro
Juan A. del Cerro

Delaney
John A. Delaney

Delegal
Mark K. Delegal
Virginia Delegal

Delgado-Marante
Kara Maria Delgado-Marante

DeMark
Helen Diane DeMark

Demma
Anthony D. Demma

Dempsey
Hayden R. Dempsey
Matthew B. Dempsey

Dennis
Milton Steven Dennis

DePetrillo
Mary Anne DePetrillo

DePuy
C. E. (Ed) DePuy

Deratany
Tim D. Deratany

DeRita
Thomas DeRita, Jr.

Detzner
Kenneth W. Detzner

Dewar
Buddy Dewar

DeWolf
Diane Gail DeWolf

Diaz
Jose Diaz
Nelson D. Diaz

Diaz de la Portilla
Claudia Diaz de la Portilla
Renier Diaz de la Portilla

DiBenigno
Leo C. DiBenigno

Dick
Scott Dick

Dickinson
Brenda D. Dickinson
Fred O. Dickinson, III
Sharon C. (Sherry) Dickinson

Dietrich
Susan E. Dietrich

Diffenderfer
Michelle Diffenderfer
Robert P. Diffenderfer

Digiacomo
Kim Digiacomo
Thomas DiGiacomo

DiMaio
Victor Rudy DiMaio

DiMarco
Anthony DiMarco

Dimitris
Jason Emilios Dimitris

Dimuzio
Melanie Dimuzio

DiPietre
Jacob D. DiPietre

Dix
Patsy B. (Pat) Dix

Dobrev
Cara Merinda Dobrev

Dobson
Leonard Douglas Dobson
Michael J. Dobson

Dodge
Wendy M. Dodge

Dodson
A. Lynn Dodson

Doerfel
Jennifer Lynnel Doerfel

Dominguez
Alejandro A. Dominguez

Donahoe
Waverly E. Donahoe

Donaldson
Laura Jacobs Donaldson
Michael Donaldson

Doolin
Christian B. Doolin

Doran
Jeff G. Doran

Doss
Virlindia Doss

Doster
Brett S. Doster
Matthew E. Doster

Dougherty-Slapp
Mary Dougherty-Slapp

Douglas
Robert (Allen) Douglas

Dove
Joyce Sibson Dove

Dover
Carol B. Dover

Dowds
Debra Dowds

Doyle
Joshua E. Doyle

Drago
Charles (Chuck) Walker Drago

Draper
Eric Draper

Dreicer
Nancy Jane Dreicer

Driscoll
Kurt F. Driscoll

Dritt
Jennifer L. Dritt

Drysdale
Bambi (Lynn) Drysdale

Dubuque
Ray Edward Dubuque

Dudek
Elizabeth Dudek

Dudley
Alison B. Dudley
Charles F. Dudley
Christopher F. Dudley
Clifford Scott Dudley
Fred R. Dudley

Dunbar
Marc W. Dunbar
Peter M. Dunbar
Tina Dunbar

Duncan
Mary Heather Duncan

Duncanson
Carole L. Duncanson

Dunn
Nathan Patrick Dunn
Robert Michael (Mike) Dunn

Duperier
Laurie Duperier

Dupree
Neal A. Dupree

Dyal
Stephen D. Dyal

Dyga
Peter M. Dyga

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/lobbyist/Ind ... t&Submenu=
2&Lobbyists=By%20Name&Letter=P&NextLetter=Q

Packard
Patricia Sherman Packard

Padgett
Diana Hadi Padgett

Palmer
Andrew T. Palmer
Leslie Maria Palmer
William (Bill) T. Palmer

Panza
Thomas F. Panza

Para
PG Para, III

Paredes
Marco Paredes
Richard Michael Paredes

Parham
Lori K. Parham

Parks
Benjamin G. Parks

Parramore
Joseph S. Parramore

Parrish
Louis B. Parrish
Ralph B. Parrish
Todd Parrish

Parsons
Philip S. Parsons

Parton
Steve Parton

Pasquarelli
Demian A. Pasquarelli

Patchett
R. Dale Patchett

Patel
Piyush Patel

Patent
Sophia K. Patent

Patrenos
Sally S. Patrenos

Patterson
Benjamin R. Patterson

Pattison
Charles Pattison

Paul
Jerald Scott Paul

Payne
J. Allison Payne

Payton
Donald J. Payton
Nancy A. Payton
Russell F. Payton

Peacock
Richard C. Peacock, IV

Pearce
Cecil Pearce
Laura Boyd Pearce

Peebles
William J. Peebles

Peeples
Winn F. Peeples

Peirce
Alan R. Peirce

Pelham
Thomas G. Pelham

Peltzman
Marc D. Peltzman

Pennavaria
Thomas A. Pennavaria

Pennekamp
Thomas M. Pennekamp

Perdue
Tamela Ivey Perdue

Perez
Fatima F. Perez

Perkins
Gary Perkins

Perko
Ann P. Perko

Perry
Gail Marie Perry
Joseph D. Perry

Personette
Steven Personette

Peterman
Frank Peterman, Jr.

Petersen
Barbara A. Petersen

Peterson
Angela R. Peterson
Corey Peterson
Daniel William Peterson
Karen M. Peterson
Scott C. Peterson

Petrila
Amelia T. Petrila

Petrovich
Michael P. Petrovich

Pettijohn
JuDee L. Pettijohn

Pfeiffer
Summer J. Pfeiffer

Phelan
William J. Phelan

Phillips
Karen E. Phillips
Kathryn E. Phillips
William Phillips

Phipps
Benjamin K. Phipps

Pickup-Crawford
Vernon A. Pickup-Crawford

Piekalkiewicz
Ellen Z. Piekalkiewicz

Pike
Jane Charlton Pike

Pile
Douglas Pile

Piller
Melinda A. Piller

Pinsky
Richard B. Pinsky

Pippin
Barbara Cohen Pippin

Pittman
Sean A. Pittman

Pitts
Takeisha Pitts

Plante
Ken Plante

Platt
George I. Platt

Platz
Deborah S. Platz

Plendl
Francesca Plendl

Ploska
Kristen Alexis Ploska

Plotkin
A. Jay Plotkin

Poitevent
Benjamin E. Poitevent

Polangin
Richard F. Polangin

Poliakoff
Keith M. Poliakoff

Polivka-West
Lumarie Polivka-West

Pollock
Daniel W. Pollock

Ponchak
Kurt D. Ponchak

Poole
Donna M. Poole
Elizabeth (Lori) Poole
Eric S. Poole
Van B. Poole
William Blake Poole

Poore
Therese M. Poore

Poppell
Ronald L. Poppell

Porter
Jeffrey Alexander Porter

Potter
Grace E. Potter
Huntington Potter

Potts
Adam William Potts

Powell
David L. Powell

Power
Evan J. Power

Pozo
Ana Maria Pozo

Pozzuoli
Edward J. Pozzuoli

Preston
Judy R. Preston

Price
Andrew T. Price
Cindy Shaw Price
Harold L. Price

Prieguez
Manuel Prieguez

Pritt
Robert Dwane Pritt

Proctor
Theresa B. Proctor

Prudom
Richard Prudom

Pruitt
Kimberli Anne Pruitt

Prutsman
Eric D. Prutsman

Puckett
Matthew C. Puckett

Pudlow
John Mark Pudlow

Pullen
Gary D. Pullen

Punyko
Carl A. Punyko

Pye
Theodore L. Pye

So, unless Mary got married or changed her last name, she is not a lobbyist for anyone.

Also, I used to do a little work for CCHR and the word was, it is against
the CCHR By-Laws for CCHR to "lobby". (This could be a topic of a whole nother thread, CCHR engaged in illegal activity that threatens their corporate legality?)

That said, Patty's info appears to be false in more ways than one.

Could it be that Mary was in Tally, but working for someone else? She spent several years there and I am sure she made some friends and
could have gotten a real job there. She was very passionate about her
work and disconnecting from CCHR, IMO, would not keep her from going
back on her own.

This is all just simple investigation and logic. Patty made the same, one-
sentence statement twice, with no real info. If Mary really were lobbying for CCHR it seems to me that Patty should be able to divulge more info, such as in what capacity? As a volunteer? What legislation? With which legislators? All of this info EASILY verified by a few calls to Tally. Aren't Sunshine Laws GREAT? Wish they existed in Scio-World!

I suppose Mary could be working for CCHR- but in light of this evidence,
its highly unlikely. I think the evidence points more towards someone trying to DA the original post on Mary.
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Post by JonDoe » Thu May 08, 2008 5:28 pm

Posted by request from Anonymous.

http://www.topix.com/religion/scientolo ... y#lastPost

A bill was introduced in March in the Florida Legislature by Policy & Budget Council and Healthcare Council and Homan
FLORIDA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES CS/CS/HB 19 2008
A bill to be entitled -An act relating to optional coverage for mental and nervous disorders; amending s. 627.668, F.S.; revising
requirements for optional coverage for mental and nervous disorders; revising certain benefits limitations; limiting applicability; providing definitions; permitting benefits to be provided by an exclusive provider or group of
exclusive providers; permitting benefits to be provided through a contract with exclusive providers; providing for care management; providing an exemption; providing an effective date.

05/02/08 S Died in Messages on Monday, May 05, 2008 7:11 AM

"Messages" are where the bill is being sent to the Senate to resolve differences in bill language, technical wording, etc
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Post by Patty Pieniadz » Thu May 08, 2008 9:25 pm

OK,

Here's more on my information. I didn't want to have to explain this
but I don't want to look like I'm making shit up.

The person who told me this is not a Scio, not an Ex Scio, and
not a critic but is very critical and aware of Scn and their efforts
at the Florida State Capitol.

This person actually works at the Fl. State Capitol and knows
who Mary DeMoss is because he/she has dealt with Mary/CCHR
on a few occasions.

This person told me that she saw Mary DeMoss lobbying (pimping) for
CCHR at the Florida State Capitol within the past two week.

I doubt Mary or anyone else at CCHR is a 'REGISTERED" lobbyist.

Other than that, I have no information. The person who told me this
information has no reason to make it up.

Believe it, don't believe it. Makes no matter to me.

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Post by Sponge » Fri May 09, 2008 12:31 am

Sea Otter wrote:
Sponge wrote:
I think I have a fair idea of why someone from Co$/CCHR would want to be lobbying in the Florida State Capital at this moment in time (whether it is dipshit DeMoss or anyone else).

I'm not going to say just yet. ;)
You probably won't find it by googling unless you know precisely what you are looking for. I found it by unrelated accident earlier today.
Let me guess: Tallahassee is hosting a convention of a) psychiatrists b) pharmaceutical groups c) TeenScreeners, or, at the other end of the spectrum d) Narconut/Crimanut/Second Chump front groups. And John Travolta/Kirstie Alley/Priscilla Pressley just happened to be in town to make a little noise about bad, eeevil a, b, or c, or about good, wise, benevolent d, while coincidentally with his/her dear friend Mary DeMoss.

Or maybe there's some pending bill re ritalin/flouride/other eeevil drug, or perhaps legislation about the menace of school nurses destroying the mental health of little Florida schoolchildren, because the nurses are actually (c'mon, you know this) MARCABIAN PSYCHIATRISTS in disguise!

I will now pleasurably google "school nurse marcabians"...

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Nearly right. ;)

It was this. Co$ would perhaps be lobbying to take advantage of it....
(I also posted it to the thread by Graham Berry about Co$ getting into the education system)

Would this create a bigger opportunity for the cult to peddle their Able/CCHR/Narconon/YFHR bullshit to school authorities?.....

Florida seeks more flexibility under ‘No Child Left Behind’
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll ... 05067/1006
While this reclassification does not change federal or state accountability requirements, it does allow a more flexible approach to implementing corrective actions for these schools, according to the state education department.
This part alone is cause for concern when you have quack vultures hovering overhead look for an easier way to the raw meat at state education dept. level.

Any relpies on that topic would be best in Graham's thread..
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