Exactly Judith, SM is a good one for looking up things and placing them here without any link.

Yes, PTS - she does flail about, doesn't she?

But why would she need hard science when she has the infinite, inexhaustible wisdom of El Tubbo?

or:

Ron said it. (No matter how ridiculous)
I believe it. (All evidence to the contrary)
That settles it. (So there, you PTS Wogs, you!)

(God said it.
I believe it.
That settles it).

+++++++++++++Sacred Cult Scripture++++++++++++++++

"Men, then ... a whole lot of people will say carelessly 'Well, God is
everywhere', remember that this was an idea which was introduced
rather latterly in Christian religion. The God of which they speak, of
whom they speak continually, eh Yahweh, lord knows how it's produ..
pronounced, because it is so secret, that nobody is really is supposed
to be able to pronounce it, so they ommitted all of the vowels in the
word, and they spell it only with it's consonants. So lord knows how
this word is to be pronounced, but the more agreed upon pronunciation
amongst scholars so they can talk about it is Yahweh. And this is the
Christian God. But he lives in a trunk with a leopard skin. That's
right, that's the full story of it."

- L. Ron Hubbard, "Assessment, Memories, Ridges",
Exteriorization and the Phenomena of Space. 27 October 1953

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Even if you leave the sea org, the cult will continue to work you and take all your money if you let them. My friend’s family stays in touch with me and recently his dad called to ask if I knew what his son was up to. His blog hadn’t been updated in over a year and he hasn’t called home for months and he hasn’t returned calls. My friend has a blog that he updates with pictures so he can appear to be having a normal life. Afterall, inheritance money is involved and he knows that he could lose it if his parents thinks it’s going to $cn. His wife has totally disconnected from her family. I told the dad about the Anonymous pickets and that his son helped build some temporary walls on LRH Blvd. for one of the pickets and was donating more money to help in the COS’s new cause to stop Anonymous. Also his son bought new books because evil sp typists messed up L. Ron’s tech so he had to drill on all new books. So now he’s really going to have the tech and all the super powers that go with it and finally start making some money. Plus he mentioned in his sporadic, disjointed emails that he can’t keep a job because he keeps trying to recruit for the cult and ends up getting fired. All of his spare time is spent working for the local org. No wonder he doesn’t return calls. Contact was made and the blog has new pictures now. I was shocked. My friend and his wife look haggard, exhausted and old beyond their years. I decided that dealing with them is like dealing with drug addicts. But I won’t give up on them because I remember how they used to be and they’re still in there somewhere.

Well I think anyway that stress (anxiety) is a tone level documented in the chart of human evaluation (do not have it to hand to check) where a person is most likely to become or have a chronic illness.

Therefore stress and and the causes for becoming diabetic would not conflict with the data I have read in scientology.

Where we would differ is that in my opinion if a person was working hard cheerfully and willingly he would not suffer from stress.

I do agree with Ladybird though that lack of sleep or proper food might lead to physical problems with the body. I would think though that if a person was physically suffering he would not be cheerful but under stress.

People who are working happy and cheerfully don’t look haggard and old beyond their years. They thought when they got out of the sea org their ot abilities would make them a lot of money at whatever they did so they could do more $cientology. But all they can do is menial work after years in the sea org and missing out on formal education and work experience. They think more money for more $cientology will lead to better ability or happiness, they’re sure it’s almost within their reach but they can’t make the money. And that is stressful. That’s one reason why I compare my friends to drug addicts. I’ve asked them before why scientology won’t give them free services after spending so many years in the sea org. Hopefully they’re starting to realize that the cult still demands their time and money but won’t help them out. Hopefully, before Karoshi by $cientology takes them.

There is scientology the belief system or applied philosophy and there is incorrect application in both tech and ethics.

Fundamental belief my friend - pleasure leads to survival, pain send you down to non survival.

The more wins, good things in life, good job, new house, new car etc the more pleasure you will have and you will go up the tone scale and be cheerful. and all this happens without ever picking up the cans. We both know this its quite obvious.

Some people want to be in the SO, thats where they get their wins, thats where they get pleasure and are cheerful.

Scientology in my opinion, correctly applied should increase a persons ability to do whatever they want to do, they get more pleasure, and they would therefore be cheerful.

Thank you for posting the situation of your friends. This should be something OSA is aware of. They should take a check on it as a bad indicator. Lets call it scientologists doing much worse in life than they would have done without having done scientology.

At the end of the day its up to your friends to take responsibility for themselves and improve their own situation as it is from now. They should take a tip from Astra and do something that will improve themselves and give them pleasure. Then they will come up tone and be more cheerful.

The question perhaps is not limited to your friend it is more general.

The question is who or what in scientology is creating things in such a way that is causing scientologists to go down tone?

Why would they do that?

Sorry if my post was glib and upset you.

Ewwwwwwwwwww! A believer!

"Scientology in my opinion, correctly applied should
increase a persons ability to do whatever they
want to do," - Mog

If so then why can't scientologists talk to whomever
they please about whatever they please whenever
they please?

Why can't Sea Org open their own mail?

Why can't scientologists surf the internet without
a net nanny?

Why can't Scientologists knock off hats at 50 paces?

Mog, you didn’t upset me. There is no who or what in scientology that is creating the “down tone.” The “down tone” is $cientology’s fall out due to the slaves who love their chains waking up and realizing there is no tech, there are no OTs and scientology doesn’t work at all. $cientology is in a downward spiral.

I just wanted to chime in about the health implications of the SO member lifestyle; I think that if the member really enjoys the work and is not overly stressed, even with excessively long hours, they are likely to have negligible negative side-effects. In fact, they may even increase longevity since there is evidence that suggests low calorie diets increase longevity in humans.

Lower calorie diets can increase longevity as long as the food is nutritious. Since Scientology operates on the cheap, I don't think they meet the basic nutritional needs of its serfs in the Sea Org. Not from everything I've read on this board - which has been consistent on the subject. I've heard lots and lots about rice and beans, very little about fruits, veggies, whole grains, fish, cheese, lean meats, etc.

After the reports from recent sea org escapees like DM’s musical chairs incident and DM’s rage over the pickets, I doubt anyone in the sea org is working cheerfully right now. Besides, a diet of rice and beans isn’t a good nutritional plan and who would be happy with a diet like that.

Judith,

The short time I was in the SO we were it is true on beans and rice most days.

However, breakfast was always eggs and you took as many as you wanted, with wholegrain bread and some kind of butter spread. Sundays there was salad and potatoes. It was summer so there was plenty of fruit on the trees and you could take this as and when you pleased. Fresh milk was also available.

It was not ideal and I found the diet monotonous and way below my standard.

One other point is that scientologists also take a lot of vitimins. Too many in my opinion but that has been the way since mid 70s. Before that they did take vitimins but only if it was considered necessary.

When I was there children were housed and looked after in the SO. The food given to children was always better and took account of their growing needs. Apples and orange juice was on standard supply for pre school children.

This was what I saw and experienced and there was never a day when food was not supplied.

Perhaps more long term SO have had a different experience and I invite them to tell us about it

From where could I communicate to a mushroom?