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Since this is a back-and-forth with EO, presuming some may be reading here:

within this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapped_in ... South_Park)

… is this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Wollersheim

I have no idea what the present situation is with Wollersheim today. He was like an Icon regarding his successful law suits, and I believe he was the one who got the OT III materials entered into the Public Record. After reading on EO, and reading the OP again and again, I'm just floored with sad. When I first read it over here, that shit just jumped off the page at me and I had flags sticking up all over. I have no idea what is going on with this, or with FactNet.

Does anyone really know anything? Please let us know.

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It sure sounds phony to me. It reads like what a $cientologist would write if they were trying to imitate a wog.

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My apologies if it is real Larry, but these are dangerous times!

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Deleted. Silly me, I forgot Larry gets a free pass.

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The largest worry is that the address of the party is known, and it'd be pretty dumb to expect there to be no PI's at all. Good luck getting namefagged by license plates.

Even if this party is being thrown in earnest seriousness, that's a serious oversight to make when setting up a function for a group of people who are trying to protect their identities as much as possible.


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SomebodyElse wrote:
Seems like it is real, an anon wrote Lawrence and Lawrence replied

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I understand and respect your perspectives…

Factnet's agenda is not hidden. In its 17 years of trasparent non profit service right back to bulletin boards before the web it never has been And, it is going to be revealed even more in full at the event in regards to Scientology and all factions trying to deal with Scientology. See FACTnet Mission Statement

Relating to this event, it starts with how can we co-creatively cooperate as part of a "team member" with all of the factions that want to reform Scientology, get restitution for all its victims and stop the dangerous mind control experiment. The key parts of the shared ideas from both Anon members, other groups and Factnet from the event will be on the net for all factions within a day or so. Non profits do not compete! Collaboration with similar mission organizations is a stable part of the effective history of non profits all over the world. Non profits do not take over other organizations they co create and collaborate and maximize resource effencies because they are usually so poor and understaffed.

I will personally donate to a small amount SF anon's legal and peaceful efforts if you send me where to send a check to and what transparency controls you have for how SF anons donated funds are used. We will still be giving you an award at the event because you have been nominated and you deserve it and that’s part of what Factnet does. Factnet cannot donate unless you are a 501c3 IRS approved nonprofit just cause that is the law for non profits.

Maybe you want to send someone to the event to represent your position. They would of course, be welcome as everything Factnet does is open for all to inspect, dialog on and critique.

Out of respect for you and your positions this will be my last email with you so you do not misperceive my seeking co-creative collaboration as handling. I will though shortly be handling a false rumor being spread that the event is a Scientology trap. If you know of anyone passing this destructive lie or anything like it please consider sending me their email address so that I may address this matter privately


Apparently Wollersheim and/or Tommy Gorman did write this since there seems to be direct correspondence with Wollersheim that confirms it.

With all the bad feelings toward Factnet's
Gorman, this seems weird. An a.r.s. poster said Wollersheim was bipolar. If so, maybe he's off his meds?

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Jerald wrote:
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I don't see anything about this posted on the FACTNET site.
I don't see it anywhere on Enturb.org either.


It's over there Red Pill,

http://forums.enturbulation.org/123-lea ... ous-24852/

They seem to be just as confused as we are about it.
Tommy left it on an obscure section of the board, that's why.

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The whole Announcement reads like scieno promo from top to bottom. There are a few possible explanations for that.

A) Written by scieno. (application of tech)
B) It’s trying to appeal to ex-scienos. (application of tech)
C) Writer hasn’t shed scieno-think. (application of tech)

That it is called, an “Event”, that there are “mystery” speakers, and that there are “Awards”, is “tech”.

Strip all of the above out of it, and you still have “Reform Scientology”.

I’d like to know what the deal is with FactNet. ‘CAN’ (the old Cult Awareness Network) was infiltrated and taken over by the Cult. I believe the Cult still answers the phone over there (CAN)?

What’s the deal with Wollersheim today?

Lastly, given the upset over recent events, what’s with the Gorman connection. Did I miss that everyone kissed and made up? Was there an apology?

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Deleted. Silly me, I forgot Larry gets a free pass.

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No apology that I'm aware of, from Gorman, and I've lurked enough that I'd have seen it.

Frankly, there is no person on the earth (well, maybe one) less likely to get a positive result in announcing the event on Enturb. Gorman is... persona non grata due to his threatening, physical/verbal outburst.

I'm not within driving distance of said event, so it's of no consequence, but even were I 2 blocks away, I wouldn't attend if someone offered me cash on the barrelhead to do so. No way, no how.

Spidey sense says trap, whether Larry set it accidentally, or someone else uses it that way deliberately. A trap's a trap, and isn't particular about who it catches, or who collects the prey.

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It's certainly his distinctive style of writing and he is an active Critic, still clearing up the last oddments of his marathon legal battle against the cult and turning up at Anonymous protests.

If Anonymous are still suspicious of people because they aren't wogs then they still have a lot to learn!

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hartley wrote:

If Anonymous are still suspicious of people because they aren't wogs then they still have a lot to learn!


The suspicions arise because the theme of Anonymous is anonymity! That's the reason for the gains of the last 6 months. Anonymity is integral to the entire strategy. The only way to shut up Anonymous is make the identities known so the cult can try to discredit/destroy them like we've read over and over and over! S.F. Anon has been successful. Have them all together in one place, on a boat where they can't escape, can't blend in? Trust $cientology not to take advantage of this? Come on now . . .

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I'd question the judgment of anyone who would use Tommy Gorman to spread his messages. Why doesn't he post directly instead of using an illiterate spammer?


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itsaline wrote:

Read these links and you'll work out what happened to Wolly.

http://www.integrativespirituality.org/ ... /index.php

http://www.integralworld.net/wollersheim2.html

He's recruiting.


Wow -- I've always wondered about this. Many people get into Scientology as part of a spiritual quest. I wonder if Bixbear will take this path at some point?

Good Luck Wolly!

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StevieRayFan wrote:
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I’d like to know what the deal is with FactNet. ‘CAN’ (the old Cult Awareness Network) was infiltrated and taken over by the Cult. I believe the Cult still answers the phone over there (CAN)?


WHEN SCHOLARS KNOW SIN By Dr. Stephen Kent

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/bo ... t/sin.html

Scroll own to:

In 1995, as a Scientology lawyer approached the most important court case thus far in his organization's relentless war against CAN (Goodstein, 1996), he acquired Shupe as his expert academic witness. The case was an unusual one, arising from the failed deprogramming of a young man from a Christian Pentecostal group, the Life Tabernacle Church (LTC), in Washington state. A relative of the young man's mother called a local crisis line in late 1990, seeking advice about the mother's desire to remove her two underage children from the group because "she believed a church pastor ha[d] acted inappropriately toward one of her younger sons" (Bjorhus, 1995, A6; Goldsmith, 1995, A6; Cult Awareness Network, 1995, 2). The crisis line gave her the name and telephone number of Shirley Landa, who had been a CAN board member in the early 1980s but who (as best as we can determine) was not identified as a CAN contact person in the crisis line's listing. When the mother called, Landa gave her the names of two people whom she felt might be able to help her--one was deprogrammer and exit counselor Rick Ross. Ross was one of a handful of people in the United States who .............

and read the rest of the COS battle to destroy CAN.

The "infiltration" story, (some may believe it, other didn't) had nothing to do with the COS "taking over" the Cult Awareness Network. A mother who had three sons in a quasi Christian group called a CAN member,
who gave her the name of Rick Ross to get her two minor sons out of the control of the "church". It was successful and the mother then hired Ross to deprogram her then 18 year old son, unbeknown to CAN.

COS heard about it and persuaded the 18 year old, Jason Scott, to sue Ross AND the
Cult Awareness Network, which had been weakened financially by over 50 previous lawsuits by Scientologists, who were refused admittance to cult awareness meetings.

CAN had to declare Bankrupcy. A Scientologist ended up with the CAN name,
logo, phone no. etc. COS OWNS the NEW Cult Awareness Network which has NO connection with the OLD CULT AWAARNESS NETWORK.

Tigger, V.Pres, Pres. and contact person for OKC CAN (OLD CULT AWARENESS NETWORK)
1992-1995

P. S. I saw Wollersheim at a National (OLD) CAN meeting. Even back then, some thought Bob Penney (also with FACNET) was great, but were leary of Wollersheim's quirks.

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