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Thanks, Tigger. Will read up a little later when I have more time than to just scan thorugh...

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Thanks again, Tigger. Got it now. Looks like only after the fact pic's and video will tell... and even then I'd be skeptical. I mean this only as a reader, based on what I have seen. I'm sticking to my initial impression/s, and I'm not in a hurry to watch it unfold. Time will tell.

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Tigger wrote:
An a.r.s. poster said Wollersheim was bipolar. If so, maybe he's off his meds?

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Hi Tigger, welcome back. 8)

I'd like to use this as an example of where the "line" is at OCMB.
It's not OK to bring over from another message board, gossip about a purported mental illness in a critic and speculate (joke) about whether he is taking his medication.

Is Lawrence's "Boat Summit" announced by Tommy on Enturb. :shock: a weird/stupid/bad idea?
That is fine to talk about (it's definitely a head scratcher as far as I'm concerned). Go for it.

But to get personal about a person's medical condtition is just beyond the pale.

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IMO it's real. It might be mis-guided, but I think it's real.

I got personally invited to this, on the down-low, by one of the SF Anon's. This person does a LOT of support for their protests, major structural support, and asks for no recognition; based on that behavior, and this guy's contacts with other critics that I have verified, I conclude the guy is legit Anon, and I presumed the party was real to the best of his knowledge.

I got the impression (my conjecture here) that this was intended for Anons, OG, anyone interested in "new approaches" to anti-CoS activism, and NOT really intended for Anons who are about choas and lulz...they weren't saying they're bad, just that this would not appeal to those types. Don't read too much into that, this is just my impression, could be all wrong.

Previous engagement prevents me from attending. I was told to invite other like minded individuals, and none of them were free that evening either.

So now I just read the EO thread. Couple things:

VERY surprised to now be seeing this invitation get spread in public, seeing as there was an obvious danger in such a public gathering, if one were concerned with keeping anonymity;

VERY VERY surprised to see this go out to the Anon general audience, as they would CERTAINLY dismiss it (I didn't know it was some kind of "awards" thing until I read Tommy's post); I mean, are you kidding? "we don't want recognition" is a big thing among Anons; NO WAY they'd go for an awards show, get real...

VERY VERY VERY surprised to see the announcement come from Tommy; I have no issues with him personally, I respect his history and activism, but having him invite Anons to ANYTHING is just floating a big target out there for them to shoot down, sorry to say...

so... it's possible that they were keeping it to a select group, but failing to gain enough confirmed attendees, needed to make a wider announcement to make it worthwhile (again, my speculation speculum...).

IMO: they fail to understand Anon on several levels (not that *I* understand Anon...) - there's disdain for excessive discussion on anything; this party has been called a "circle-jerk" by many over on EO; there's the absolute hatred of "rockstar" spotlighting, leaderships, etc... and oh yeah, there's that whole thing of anon's preference for remaining ANONYMOUS ! Hey masked guys, here's an idea: show up in your car, get on a boat to join a known gathering of critics, at a party just announced on a board monitored by SCN? um, prolly not ...

And: if this is, as suggested by some, Mr. Wollersheim's disguised attempt to advertise some other spiritual endeavor, I will be EXTREMELY disappointed in his sense of propriety and judgment.

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Hey, there was a post here by soy (if I remember correctly), it said "just sayin" or something like that, and a link to another thread here, but when I refreshed the page it disappeared. What happened and what did I miss?


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Smithers wrote:
Hey, there was a post here by soy (if I remember correctly), it said "just sayin" or something like that, and a link to another thread here, but when I refreshed the page it disappeared. What happened and what did I miss?


You are correct. It was a snarky way to point out that Roan's comment regarding not making fun of people's mental handicaps, or speculation of a handicap, would not be tolerated on OCMB. The link was to a post of Roan's where he had posted a photograph of some people and there was an arrow over 1 gentleman's head that said "mentally retarded" or something to that affect, which was posted about 1 week ago.

I think it is wrong to delete someone's post for simply pointing out some hypocrisy.

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Prozac4Tom wrote:
Smithers wrote:
Hey, there was a post here by soy (if I remember correctly), it said "just sayin" or something like that, and a link to another thread here, but when I refreshed the page it disappeared. What happened and what did I miss?


You are correct. It was a snarky way to point out that Roan's comment regarding not making fun of people's mental handicaps, or speculation of a handicap, would not be tolerated on OCMB. The link was to a post of Roan's where he had posted a photograph of some people and there was an arrow over 1 gentleman's head that said "mentally retarded" or something to that affect, which was posted about 1 week ago.

I think it is wrong to delete someone's post for simply pointing out some hypocrisy.

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Thank you, Prozac4Tom. You are correct.

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Fuck you, AnonMomAnon.

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Cross Posted from EO -

You are Invited to the August 8 th, 8 pm Special bay area SF Anonymous

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Everyone from the bay area are invited, San jose, Sacermento,Mountain view and any other places that are with in driving distance. All Anonymous exscientologist or people that will help stop scientology from harming people may come.

You are Invited to the August 8 th, 8 pm Special bay area SF Anonymous appreciation and awards dance party and Scientology Reformation Presentation on a 62 foot Power Yacht in the Sausalito area presented by FACTnet : Cult, Cults, Abuse by Religions, Abuse Recovery Discussion & Resources, Peer-Support, Legal support. See Factnet’s mission at FACTnet Mission Statement .







This party --- a special Anonymous SF recognition event is mainly for those individuals also interested in forwarding legal and peaceful means of educating about scientology’s human rights abuses and holding its executives personally responsible to pay restitution for all harms they have caused to all Scientology victims.



In spite of recent rumors to the contrary, Factnet.org seeks ONLY to find better ways to collaborate and co create with those parties within Anonymous and the x scientology member and other groups in an open, peer to peer and self-organizing fashion and, who want to deal with Scientology and its abuses --- and, who also see that their independent efforts might benefit from knowledge and resources found in Factnet. We fully realize that there are many factions within Anonymous who are not interested in the Scientology protests by other Anon members and we respect that as well. Just as we respect that there are many x scientology members who for one reason or another do not wish to be involved in the efforts to reform scientology.



In an open, peer to peer, self-organizing fashion Factnet has collaborated and co-created with many diverse independent individuals, groups and organizations over the years. We hope that at this event we might find a way to better support and work with those independent individuals and factions within Anonymous and other x scientology member groups around the world who might value our support and who might also teach us and who use only peaceful and legal means.



For years Factnet has successfully dealt primarily with Scientology and other cult survivors who now are highly independent individuals because in part they have suffered from authoritarian abuse and high control techniques. Because of this they no longer want anything to do with authoritarian or controlling people and organizations ever again. We know that members of Anonymous are also highly independent individuals. Factnet seeks no control or authority related to any Scientology education work. We know that this is not only the best way, but in truth ---the only way after what we have learned in 17 years of diverse success experience working with highly independent individuals and organizations in open, self-organizing and peer to peer relationships.



Surprise physical or telephonic guests!



There may be 1 or 2 very special quite famous guests attending that will help rock Scientology’s world and the night! Rumor has it that even L Ron Hubbard himself may appear in some form if we can keep Xemu away from the chips J.



Lot’s of RSVPS are starting to roll in. We will stop taking RSVPs when or if we hit 90 people. Right now we are at about 35.



We will email all RSVP updates and the final location of the boat after they RSVP. We ask that you do not post the location. Only those who have RSVPed will get the event location via email.





What Not to Bring on Das Boat



Any Illegal Substances or Illegal Thing of any Kind! Also, no Alcohol we are going to be dry so the many 18-21 year old Anons can attend. In the past Scientology Operatives have been alleged to have called in all kinds of false underage drinking, sex offense or other bogus emergencies reports to the police in an effort to get the police to disrupt an event they deal against their interests. Not to worry the local police know me and my history with cults and they will be fully updated on the event and possible stunts by Scientology.



What you Could be Thinking about or better yet Sending me on your Scientology Reformation Ideas on Before the Event



I really want to know what is your legal and peaceful plan for reforming Scientology and have it pay restitution to ALL its victims --- and, convincing whoever is behind this mind control experiment and foreign intelligence gathering operation using unsuspecting cult members to abandon this type of covert military research and intelligence gathering operation forever!



What is really important is “the how” of the detail and sequences of steps that can be shared among the willing x Scientology members, other interested parties and governments and Anon people around the world? Take a shot at addressing tough questions like how we will gather evaluate and share information on line when Scientology and other sources will be using some of the most talented hackers and covert operations people they have to shut down, corrupt, discredit and disrupt us at every turn.



Let me know what are the ethical guidelines and winning attitudes that we should hold as standards for our behavior to do this is such a way that we become the next Nelson Mandelas and Gandhis for this new Information and Control age!



Please let me know parts of your plan that you are willing to do as well. Send your plan to Wollersheim@msn.com



What to Wear:



If you want to keep you identity secret wear you Anonymous disguises. Wear your disguises as we also will be videoing the whole event to share on the net. If there is a mole in your SF group or this leaks somehow to Scientology, there may be Scientology people in the parking lots and outside on the water's edge 125 yards away taking pictures.



You might even want to take the bus, car pool or park away from the main parking lot for the harbor and marina in case they are here and photo your license plates. Put your disguises on after you leave your transportation and eat your snacks from behind your masks.



I ask you to help me and Factnet say no to fear. Let’s make this an amazing event and party and thumb our noses at their stupid ineffective tactics.



What to bring:



Bring a coat as it can get cool on the decks. Bring something you like to snack on. There was a bit of a re-vote and we decided no Alcohol in spite of earlier saying we were going to have it. We are going to be dry so the many 18-21 year old Anons can attend. We will have some snacks here, but not enough.



Bring cameras and video recorders. We are going to want to share what happens at this event with Anonymous and x and current Scientology people all over the world.



Please bring the music that you most like to hear and dance to on CD or iPods. (The boat has an amazing sound system and we will just drop your stuff into the system.)



Ride Sharing:



A few people need rides from the city so if you have a car and can take extra riders let me know and let the other SF anonymous people attending know.



During and End of Event Volunteer Help



If you can help as a volunteer keep thing rolling with everything from greeting people to clean up let me know that as well. We also need someone knowledgeable to come early and be the music meister. That person would work on music for the party parts of the evening! They would need to come early to learn the boat’s system.



Last words, Factnet will be giving out awards to individuals who have shown particular creativity and courage in peacefully and lawfully protesting and educating about scientology. So if you have anyone you think in the SF area should be recognized [please send their name and what they have done.



If you’re going to bring a video camera and can help with video editing let me know ASAP as we want to get the whole event on the net for the other Scientology reformation groups as soon as possible. I do need some people dedicated to helping with the event videoing.



Who specifically is not invited?



Scientology fake defectors and fake x members, Scientology private investigators, Scientology moles in the SF anonymous group. Therefore network this invitation to those individuals you have a high confidence are not on our “Who is not invited list.”



If we discover anyone on the “Who is not invited list” at the event we will immediately ask them to leave or call and have the police remove them. AND, I or my team reserves the absolute right to ask anyone to leave that we do not feel good about or who is attempting to disrupt the event for any reason! As far as we are able, I want this event to be uninterrupted by Scientology idiots and a good party energy.



We will be posting all the video from the event on the net so it would be really dumb for Scientology operatives to show up to gather Intel, but they are really dumb so they most likely will anyway! Once they do then we can show them the 10 times rule in case they still do not get it. Oh Yea, the 10 times rule of legal and peaceful protest is that if one party tries something dumb or intimidating then the protesting party multiplies their protest and educational efforts by 10. Sooner or later they will learn to stop their unethical tactics designed to create fear and intimidation.



Rumor Update:



I have heard that someone has been implying that the Factnet/Anon appreciation collaboration and co-creation exploration party is a Scientology trap. This is just stupid or highly uniformed or maybe even Scientology trying to keep people away because they sense what will happen if there is more co-creation and collaboration between their adversaries. Here is something that I recently emailed someone who is in a position to help stop this ridiculous rumor.



“This event is being cosponsored by the non profit FACTnet : Cult, Cults, Abuse by Religions, Abuse Recovery Discussion & Resources, Peer-Support, Legal support For 17 years Factnet has been one of the biggest educators on Scientology. See Factnet’s mission at FACTnet Mission Statement



I Lawrence Wollersheim am a director of Factnet and will be doing part of a presentation before the party. Scientology considers me to be one of the 3 biggest SPs of all time. And, I just won my 6th lawsuit against Scientology.



As you can see, anyone spreading this particular grossly false and goofy rumor to scare people away from the event either has no idea about what they are talking about, has a some personal hidden agenda or is part of or is working for Scientology.”



Please help us get accurate information to anyone spreading this foolish and/or mean spirited rumor by getting the above information to them. If they continue spreading the rumor after you have offered information that logically contradicts their position, please let me know who they are. Also, please post and network this updated invitation anywhere that SF anons will see it so they can make up their own individual minds on attending.”



Scientology will not stop this event!



The most important thing to realize is that the educational, protest and legal work (and even our related parties and planning events,) that we do should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be affected by either false, over hyped or even legitimate fears of Scientology. Scientology uses hyped up fear and mystery as its main weapons to try stop people from working together and reforming it. But that does not work the minute you say, “screw you Scientology, I will NEVER be stopped or slowed by fear or the mystery of your history or your current stupid and ineffective intimidation tactics. I will do this work have more fun than you can imagine and link up in a supportive team with everyone you most want to keep me from working with --- so just screw you for even trying those tired-ass and useless fear and mystery tactics on me!”



If Scientology shows up and tries anything, we will have to simply get out in front of their celebrity’s homes and events with our protests and release 10 times more information about their human rights abuse particularly relating to David Miscavige their leader and Tom Cruise.



Hope to see you there!



Best,



Lawrence Wollersheim



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Sorry everyone, I don't see the comment which asked if there was any new news about this?

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Jerald, I'm pretty much thinking this is going to be one of those things which will be proved with time.



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Deleted. Silly me, I forgot Larry gets a free pass.

Emma! How dare you be glib! :wink: No one gets a free pass these days. The days of free passes are over. In fact, here is a book written by a Scientologist that describes the general scene in PT:

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Here’s a typical 65’ yacht. We see them on the Illinois river here primarily in the spring and in the fall, because they are coming up or going down to/from the Gulf of Mexico on their way to the Great Lakes.

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I can’t imagine 80 people. 20 or 30 maybe.

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