You keep writing "CHUG" in all caps. Is it an acronym? If so, please, what does it open out to read?

Good lord.

"Chug".

I was in 15 years, and this is the first time I ever heard of this.

LRH's insanity knows no bounds.

Just referred to as the "People of Chug", but I would go with Chuggies.


Only those in INCOMM who had passed the int clearance sec check. People in RTC new, and some others in top management. But no one else. Its was funny when I had Chug in my post title. It was hush hush so I could not tell people my post!


The post was just before 2pm Thursday on Chug, Gah-lactic Standard Time.


Its not an acronym, just the name of a planet. It was also like the "holy grail" at INCOMM, so sometimes it deserves CAPS.

Oh, and before I forget, I would like to use the opportunity to make another announcement. I love my work, I love my girl, I love my family and I love my life. I am not in any dire financial situation or too adversely affected by the current financial crisis. The future stretches brightly before me. I have no history of depression and have never contemplated or tried suicide.

I doubt Dick Misgrabbich could say the same. Do you think he got his tiny fists of fury on the depends in time?



Personnel system. This used the staff lists submitted from all orgs to track personnel changes. It all starts here with a staff id assigned to each person. So we can see all the posts they held during their career. This was also the id used to assign orders, track compliance etc. When you moved to a new position, the computer would still remember all about your past posts also.

Datafiles. This contained all the information about an org. It tracked the orgs from routing forms and weekly reports. All telex traffic sent to/from the org was also stored here. This could all be text searched. This also included all of the statistics reported up from the orgs. These could be graphed.

Finance system. This attempts to implement the crazy finance policy developed by Hubbard. Decisions about spending/allocation of funds were all done automatically by the computer. The idea being to lock the orgs into strict compliance with the policy. Of course, the system also reports back information on every org to the data files.

TNT - target nudge and tally. I can only describe this as the first spam engine ever developed. Basically Misgrabbich had management develop standard programs to be implemented in all orgs. In this case a program is a sequence of steps for the staff the follow. There was a Book Sales program, a Public Program, a Recruitment program, easily a dozen standard programs they were to be sent to every org. TNT was used to load the programs. Dates were set for compliance. If a target was not done the system would issue a "nudge", a reminder to get this target done. It would nudge a few times, and if that did not work, it would order the person responsible to "debug" (Hubbard debug tech, to find out why its not done) the target. If this debug did not get done, it would be nudged also. If the target was still not done, the system would send an order to ethics to have the person responsible investigated. That order would get nudged. Then, when its still not done the people in management start getting alerted and so it goes from there.

As I said, there were a least a dozen programs developed. Dick Misgrabbich's plan was that all programs were to be loaded into TNT and run in all orgs. Most programs had 30-50 targets on them, each assigned to the person responsible for that area.

There were 100+ orgs at the time, but most of them never even had 12 staff in total, let alone enough people to actually do one program. So the targets all get loaded, and none of them get done on time, so it starts nudging the targets, then even more targets come due and they started getting nudged. We had upwards of 15,000 orders coming due each day. The telex lines from management to the rest of the orgs just could not handle this type of volume.

The telexes were taking days to get through and the orgs were printing out large lists of orders and debugs and the like. It was all total spam and many trees died for this. It was a massive flap and it took us a long time and many sleepless nights taming that beast.

Strat (short for strategy) aka Chug. This would put all the information from the above systems together. It was to be programed based on Hubbards evaluation tech. For example, income goes down, check TNT for programs related to income, check for personnel changes, figure out what the problem is and issue orders to rectify the situation. It was Misgrabbichs plan that all those staff in the HGB building and others at int management level would be replaced by the system.

All of the above is covered in vague details in the INCOMM advices. These are basically copies of dispatches between Hubbard and Foster Tompkins, with a few others thrown in. The premise was that because Hubbard had developed the complete and definitive management technology, it could just be turned over to computers.

When the computer issued orders to investigate people and the like, these came out from "THE POLICE COMPUTER"!


This was a little similar to TNT, except it had much more bite and was the exclusive domain of two people - Shelley Miscavige (RTC) and Maria Starkey (ASI). Its based on the ethics gradient (increasingly nasty steps) that were applied to get Hubbards orders done when he was around. Shelley wanted the system to have lots of teeth and was sick of all the non-compliance. So we went in and found anyone who had any order from Misgrabbich that was over due. These were orders where the system had ordered the person responsible to do a debug. Shelley ordered us to cut them off from MERC (internal email system - vital to all management posts) late one Wednesday night. What a flap, all the senior execs calling the computer room asking WTF? Answer: Shelley's orders so suck it up. When they went into MERC all they could see was the order from the "ORDERS LOGGING SYSTEM" for them to debug, and report the results back. This was filled out on the screen, and it would not let the person do anything until this was completed. Once they filled it out and sent it off, the system automaticall re-enabled your mail. Unless you had more than one to do, in which case the next one comes up and you go through it until they are all gone.


I remember the advice well, but cant really verify the date. All the advices were from around that 82/83 period. This was the up/down/shunt advice. According to this advice from Hubbard, we are continually visited by un-manned alien space craft that he called drones. He was using the automatic operation as an example of how the Chug part of the system would work. Foster replied back asking if it would be possible to get hold of one of these drones. The technology would be very useful. Hubbard explained that the drones are armed and it would be too dangerous to attempt this.

Thats my rant for a while...

This reminds me of The Forbin Project. What? Did Hubb expect to have his thetan loaded into the computer system?

Jason, your posts are fascinating.

I am concerned about this fellow "Dick Misgrabbich" whom you describe. He is clearly insane. Perhaps he took some shell fragments to the head when he unsuccessfully tried to disarm an alien drone for the Commodore? The trick to disarming alien drones is to cut power to the secondary interlock switch on the interior hatch cover. The primary interlock switch on the outer hatch cover is a dummy switch. People cut power to the outer switch and think they are safe. It never occurs to people like Lil' Dick Misgrabbich that could be a hidden secondary switch. These people think they know everything and they don't. The fact is that the aliens are much smarter than Dick Misgrabbich and his gang of callow nancyboys.

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Scientology's hubris never ceases to amaze me:



I can see why Dick Misgrabbich wants a big nasty computer to do his bidding: Computers never blow and their memories can be erased. If a computer became quarrelsome, Dick could unload his tiny pistol into it without fear of arrest.

Folks, you can't make this stuff up. Scientology is absurd, surreal, and aggressively insane and that is what makes it so dangerous.

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If only you had been around in the day. This seems so simple now, but its no wonder we never got it at the time. We were fooled by the 1950ish design and had them pegged as SMUDs (Standard Marcabian Unmanned Drone). Of course, with L'il Dick running around ordering everyone to handle the outside switch, no one ever realized there was a second one inside.

He was like that even before the drones.

You sure he didn't mean CHUD?

OMG the Police Computer!!!

Remember there used to be a division head in INCOMM, Police Computer Division, and then since it was the computer, there was NO human in the division!!!

When as an INCOMM staff member, that was sort of a mental shocker introduction, my first hearing of the Police Computer Division, and no one in the division, that was the "Hal" division, the AI division!

Sheesh! Oh man, INCOMM was fantasyland, truly fantasyland!

Jason, did you hear that X (won't spell out his name, since his job prospects could be limited by the story leaking out) walked out with all the SIR tape info, all the OSA LAL and LAR computers (the old OSA Int intell libraries that INCOMM held for OSA Int), and the uplines SIR libraries, all sorts of CMO Int, WDC and COB traffic all on some MIPS tapes, the compact ones, X crammed LOADS onto 2-3 tapes and, NOT ONCE, but TWICE! He thought better of leaking it publicly, and both times brought the tapes back un-leaked, but X had the "jewels" of the confid admin writings of Hubbard and loads of OSA intell research and loads of Int traffic of top people, all on a couple MIPS backup tapes, god, today, that info would just sink the ship in unleashing real time operations were it leaked! X had all the advices libraries, from LA and Int, all those Hubbard writings if X had let them be leaked into the public domain, as illegal and wrong as it would have been to have leaked that material inlcuding the Hubbard full canon of private writings, those MIPS tapes had they gotten public, the world would be a different place today!

Don't think anyone in INCOMM is capable of repeating that feat.

Well I guess Paul Wilmhurst won't be trying to sell you any more books
now!

Why did Bob Klima crash and burn do you recall? He was the official Chug I/C and your boss for a while, correct?

INCOMM had a couple of genius people, Klima was a real educated guy, so was someone not there when you were there, but you must have heard of Chuck Prenner. Prenner got his PhD from Harvard and taught a bit at Harvard.

Foster runs the CNC router in the PAC Mill as of months ago.

I hope Foster comes out and talks, he is in the giant category in my opinion, he goes back so many years, he's had a huge amount of Hubbard comm cycles, he's a whole giant category of Sea Org member who I hope goes public someday.

Were you there when Jim Woeltchen, who was my superior, was suddenly removed from post, for snooping onto COB's computer?

God, snooping on exec's computers by operations officers, got one removed on the spot!

INCOMM was a funny place, there were some posts that were like ejecter seats, you could be ejected in seconds for one's goofs!

that is so rich with significance. Top people like Foster, asking that type of advanced "realistic" question to such an obvious group agreed upon fantasy.

God, that is rich.

Some of the harsh advanced critics say "You can't make this stuff up."

That is so true about Hubbard's beliefs.

He really was consistent through the years, Hubbard's beliefs in UFOs (to Hubbard they were not unidentified, Hubbard believed he knew who those UFOs are and where they are from, sheesh) were actually believed by Hubbard, and by people in touch with Hubbard, like Foster.

That is amazing, that Foster proposed that!

It makes me think of some CST/Archives related advices I saw which were collected together in the CST/Archives batch library of advices. In one of those CST advices, LRH talks about "Lingua spacia" which LRH lamented he realized no one on earth spoke lingua spacia because Hubbard said his writings should be translated into lingua spacia before being put onto the imperishable form, the metal plates. Lingua spacia is a play on the word "lingua franca" (lingua franca was a mixture language of several languages so people of different languages could understand each other in the mediterranean), and by lingua spacia Hubbard ordered that if all of Hubbard's writings could be translated in lingua spacia, then his "tech" could spread throughout the universe.

Hubbard was such a serious blowhard claiming science fiction was reality. sheesh!

We need those advices in the public domain someday, and until then, I appreciate ALL ex Sea Org members who have read those science fictionesque writings of Hubbard to at least publicly admit they've read them and can corroborate those writings by Hubbard were real, even if we don't have them in the public domain yet.

I imagined it as a server in the computer room with a flashing light on the top.


Were the leaked data to contain evidence of a crime, such as what the OSA data would contain, it would be totally legal. There is no client-attorney privilege at work here. Also, if the data, such as COB traffic, where to prove that the corporate structure is a sham, and David Miscavige runs it personally, or prove that David Miscavige has ordered people kidnapped in the US and other countries, you might be an accessory if you don't bring this to the attention of law enforcement.


As management is obsessed with keeping files and records, its all there on those computers. You would just have to get to them before the trash button could be pressed. The best bet would be a federal raid at Hemet, securing the computers and tapes as the top priority. LA is a concrete and steel reinforced bunker. Possibly the power could be interrupted so that the servers went down and could not respond to the trash command.


Yes, he was the Chug Project I/C. The project ended when he was busted, and we became a normal division on that org board. Too much work, too much stress, the usual recipe for destruction in INCOMM.


Me too.


Yes, that is a major no no. Having had access to that data myself, I was told in no uncertain terms not to tell anyway, ever, including scientology auditors etc.


I thought of it as a cannon. Once Bob left, I was loaded up. You knew you were sitting on a mass of gun powder, you knew it was going to blow, not for sure when or how, just that it was coming.

Okay Jason,

I sat here, and wanted to just pop off a couple questions for history.

a) Remember when Foster would go uplines weekly, after Thursday 2pm, taking up the past week's accomplishments, and the future weeks' hype BP? Foster was a master of padding how good things were going, and for convoluted intense reports on how great the strides that were being made in the Strategic Ssystems Technology division, and blah blah blah.
Confirm? Foster equals master of high level hype and cover his ass for ongoing "progress", I mean he must have done so many last minute before 2pm faulty "new program" developements, that just were so false, so untested, that they ran successfully once or twice, COUNT EM as progress dones. sheesh! the all night Wednesdays' and up to the last minute before 2pm, stress, those "tests" to see if the programs worked, man, was that bogus bullshit or what???? That was just so weird to me. So unlike sane computer organization planning, execution of a new piece of the big software system for Chug.

b) Did you feel a little Nazi totalitarianism in the SST label for the Strategic Systems Technology unit/section. I mean, it was the kind of thing when Foster asked you what you thought about the label, you could tell he wasn't gonna be pleased if you said to him, "Ah, Sir, I think the SST sounds a bit too much like SS nazi stuff. Maybe we should re-think the SS thing, so as not to look like ominous wholetrack nazis." sheesh, I hated that SST logo, the whole damn image was SS nazi, and man, it just went right by Foster.

Jason: WELCOME TO OCMB!!!

How fantastic to finally hear the inside story about INCOMM, and
CHUG. How utterly WEIRD!
I was very much around when INCOMM was created, (not internally, but
working with OSA____so I heard of it, saw the 'top secret' areas,
etc). But CHUG is a new one. Ya learn something *every* day.

Last week two of us were walking around the Complex, and the area
known as "INCOMM" (At least in the 90's--I think it still is) had their door
open, so you could see this huge room with computers. I'd NEVER seen it,
in all those years "in". As soon as they got we were looking, they shut it
all off. Do you know if it is still the area that opens on Fountain?

Can't wait to hear more! Thanks for sharing. And DM? Remember
what I've been telling you:
Tick Tock, Tick Tock: TIME IS ON **OUR** SIDE!
Here's one more person with a WEALTH of knowledge.
Great job, Jason~~:cheers:

More are coming, day by day. ALL ARE WELCOME!

**hugs**

Tory/Magoo~~

Foster was a master and I learned a lot from him. I just thought the word "Strategic" sounded cool, he did too probably. I never got the Nazi/Totalitarian angle. If I had, I would not have stayed so long.

The demos to COB/COB ASST were the worst. This gives you an idea of how we operated. Foster promises a demo of some software, then we stay up all week making it, then he goes up Sat night and demos it. Not, write software, schedule demo, do demo.


We struggled with the new technology, to say the least. Its a pity none of the INCOMM advices mentioned software design methodology or system testing and integration.

Robert Vaughn Young confirmation:

http://members.lycos.nl/mgormez/rvy/24.htm

I left LA in 1994, at that time there were plans to move INCOMM to the Hemet base, I don't think that happened, but the computers would have stayed regardless.


Thats the sound of the karmic clock, counting down.