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Post by Don Carlo » Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:34 am

Neville Potter had "Durable Power of Attorney" over Mary Sue. He was a musician friend of Chick Corea.
I will bet my money on the fact that (Tom Cruise's) wonderful diamond studded medal was produced by Argent Jewelry, the cover business operation that Mary Sue Hubbard is somehow connected with and which was/is I believe somehow her financial business lifeline in life, and a guy named Neville Potter (long time Sea Org member who together with long time Sea Org member Ginny Hof) the two of them are MSH's (Mary Sue Hubbard's) joint helper/assitant/business partner/auditor/relayman)...
from Chuck Beatty, http://www.freewebs.com/chuckbeatty77/d ... 4posts.htm

1984 Mary Sue Hubbard testimony:
Q: When you write these letters to your husband,
describe how you deliver them or mail them to him?

Mary Sue: I write my letter. I put it in an envelope. I put it in my out basket on my desk. There is a man and his wife who live with
me. He picks it up... and he delivers it, as far as I know,
to a mail service...

Q What is the name of the person who delivers
this to the mail service?

Mary Sue: His name is Mr. Potter, Neville Potter.
from http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/l ... 05-07.html

In Spring 1982,
Among the staff that Miscavige ordered out of the Sea Org and into ASI are Fran Freedman Harris... and Neville Potter.
from
http://www.freezone.org/reports/e_tyros.htm

ASI (Author Services Inc,) appears to be the vessel that grabs cash from Sea Org and the Church of Scientology, for Miscavige's benefit.

Neville Potter and wife Leslie were "new" Cornerstone Members ($35,000 donation) to CoS in 2004. http://www.groupsrv.com/religion/about66144.html
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Post by Little Bear Victor » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:09 am

Neville has since made his way to being posted on a lowly post in Gold and Leslie has made her way to the PAC RPF.

Oh, so ephemeral are fame and fortune under King David.
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Post by Don Carlo » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:17 am

Thanks, Little Bear Victor. My sense is that Neville was a helper to Mary Sue and not just a jailer. However, it is strange that the informant on Mary Sue's death record was Neville and not Mary Sue's children Suzette or Arthur. The critic community did not even realize Mary Sue had died until long after her death. The first discussion here of her death was in 2005, at viewtopic.php?t=6998 . My belief is the statute of limitations on fraud, theft, legal malpractice, etc. is two or three years and they were hoping to sneak her death past the critics and children.

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Post by Little Bear Victor » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:53 am

Don Carlo wrote: ...
My belief is the statute of limitations on fraud, theft, legal malpractice, etc. is two or three years and they were hoping to sneak her death past the critics and children.
Hold on a second -- are you saying that if any fraud, theft, legal malpractice or other violation is not brought to court within 3 years it cannot be tried thereafter?

If so, I just realized what DM is doing with his SP Room -- ensuring that anyone who has information about such things will be 3 years out of date with their information and thus unable to charge him for any crime when he finally unleashes them!

Can someone legally knowledgeable straighten me out on that if I got it wrong?
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Post by Don Carlo » Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:40 am

Check with an attorney in your state, but here is a list of California rules:
Personal Injury: 2 years.
Fraud: 3 years.
Libel / Slander / Defamation: 1 year.
Injury to Personal Property: 3 years.
Product Liability: 2 years.
Contracts: Written, 4 years; Oral, 2 years.
from
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_ ... California

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Post by Judith Anderson » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:34 pm

I'm no attorney, but something here doesn't translate if that indeed was DM's intention. I would think that the the statute of limitations would only apply if the individual so affected had freedom to lodge a complaint within the designated time period. Evidentally someone locked up against their will and denied access to the outside world wouldn't be given freedom of choice. Of course they would probably also have to prove that they were put in this position.

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Post by Don Carlo » Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:21 pm

Nobody can prove or disprove that Mary Sue was restrained in her house, but Hubbard's will gave her the house, $10,000 a month to live on, and $1 million, so what happened to that after her death? Neville probably wishes he & his wife still had that easy rent-free "job" as Mary Sue handlers; too bad we can't interview them. The statute of limitations can actually work in our favor, since ex-Scientologists can freely speak of crimes they witnessed or participated in, without fear of going to prison.

Hey Sea Org lurkers! You can leave, lie low for 2 or 3 years, and then write a book, and live without fear of Scientology trying to send YOU to prison in revenge. Or, if the last crime you witnessed or participated in was 3 or 4 years ago, leave today and spill the beans. We will scold AND embrace you, you rascal!

Sea Org members who still have the freedom to read this, and who might have once helped in fraud, extortion, or unlawful restraint: you, YOU are in danger of being sent to the RPF to protect Miscavige's sorry ass. Get out now. You don't owe them a phone call, a letter, a meeting, a signature, and certainly not any freeloader's debt. If you have relatives in Sea Org, they'll never let you see them again, anyway, and you can help CoS fall so your relatives MUST leave. Walk away and ask a policeman or firehouse for the address of a charity like the Red Cross or United Way, or your state or city's social workers.

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Post by Don Carlo » Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:56 pm

If we can catch CoS in an recent overt crime that is part of a conspiracy, we have three years to charge them for decades of conspiracy. The statue of limitations on conspiracy in California is 3 years.
Limitations Period For Conspiracy Starts Day After Last Over Act Comitted.
Case: U.S. v. Koonin, no. 02-50350 (9th Cir., Mar. 25, 2004)
Proceeding: Direct Criminal Appeal
Holding: "[W]hen computing the time within which a prosecution for conspiracy may be commenced, the statute of limitation begins to run the day after the last overt act is committed."
Authoring Judge: Circuit Judge Johnnie B. Rawlinson
http://www.crimblawg.com/statute_of_lim ... index.html

So, if we can get the state to file suit, we might get multiple decades-old crimes punished (if we have witnesses and evidence) as part of CoS's conspiracy. I am no lawyer, but I'd assume that the conspiracy charges can reach back to the founding of the Religious Technology Trust and other organizations after the 1986 death of LRH.

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Post by I'mglib » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:22 pm

Great stuff, DC.
As long as we're going over Hubbard's children, could you briefly reiterate his marriages? I didn't realize he was married to Mary Sue so long.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Don Carlo » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:10 pm

Page one of this thread lists the dates of his marriages and divorces. The best description of his family history is in Bare Faced Messiah, at http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfmconte.htm

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Post by I'mglib » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:26 pm

Got it. I should have looked more closely.

Wife: Margaret Louise Grubb ("Polly", m. 13-Apr-1933, div. 24-Dec-1947, two children)

Wife: Sara Elizabeth Northrup (m. 10-Aug-1946, div. 12-Jun-1951, one child, bigamy)

Wife: Mary Sue Whipp (m. Mar-1952, two daughters, two sons)
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Post by Don Carlo » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:04 am

I added a number of facts and sources to the prior page summary of Hubbard's known descendants.

There's info about how Hubbard isn't decended from Hubbards, but from Wilsons, at http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/history.htm

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Post by I'mglib » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:11 pm

New Indies Conny and Ing-Marie expressed dismay that information about Hubbard's life was suppresed. They should read DC's research on the first page of this thread.

DM isn't the only person suppressing this information.
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Post by Gumbythetruth » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:51 pm

I'mglib wrote:New Indies Conny and Ing-Marie expressed dismay that information about Hubbard's life was suppresed. They should read DC's research on the first page of this thread.

DM isn't the only person suppressing this information.
Marty is as much of the problem as anyone is. Marty is an enabler feeding on the co-dependent souls corrupted by lrh and his lunacy.

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Post by I'mglib » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:55 pm

Here is some more about LRH that to me is pretty interesting. In this version of his will, LRH specifically writes out two of his children. In fact, he denies that Alexis is his heir. What kind of man does this?

http://home.earthlink.net/~snefru/deathoflrh/1986.html
SEVENTH: I declare that, except as otherwise provided in this WILL and in the Trust Agreement establishing the AUTHOR'S FAMILY TRUST-B, I have intentionally and with full knowledge omitted to provide herein for any of my heirs who may be living at the time of my death, including but not limited to LAFAYETTE RONALD HUBBARD Jr., also
known as L. RON HUBBARD Jr., also known as NIBS HUBBARD, also known as RONALD DeWOLF, QUENTIN HUBBARD and all of the issue of such persons. Further, I have intentionally omitted to provide herein for ALEXIS HOLLISTER, who may pretend to be my heir, but in fact is not and has never been, my heir.
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