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I'mglib wrote:
New Indies Conny and Ing-Marie expressed dismay that information about Hubbard's life was suppresed. They should read DC's research on the first page of this thread.

DM isn't the only person suppressing this information.


Marty is as much of the problem as anyone is. Marty is an enabler feeding on the co-dependent souls corrupted by lrh and his lunacy.


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Here is some more about LRH that to me is pretty interesting. In this version of his will, LRH specifically writes out two of his children. In fact, he denies that Alexis is his heir. What kind of man does this?

http://home.earthlink.net/~snefru/deathoflrh/1986.html

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SEVENTH: I declare that, except as otherwise provided in this WILL and in the Trust Agreement establishing the AUTHOR'S FAMILY TRUST-B, I have intentionally and with full knowledge omitted to provide herein for any of my heirs who may be living at the time of my death, including but not limited to LAFAYETTE RONALD HUBBARD Jr., also
known as L. RON HUBBARD Jr., also known as NIBS HUBBARD, also known as RONALD DeWOLF, QUENTIN HUBBARD and all of the issue of such persons. Further, I have intentionally omitted to provide herein for ALEXIS HOLLISTER, who may pretend to be my heir, but in fact is not and has never been, my heir.

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Not to derail this thread, but this comment of Marty,s should be taken very seriously by those that oppose Hubbards madness.

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L. Ron Hubbard’s legacy shall be resurrected.


The above sentence sends shivers down my spine.


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Someone good at Facebook & other new media (not me) could find and update some of these children, grandchildren etc.


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I did some research of EL Ron on Ancestory.com. In a few minutes
came up with a few tidbits:

The 1920 Census shows him 8 years old living in San Diego CA.
Father Harry R Hubbard was 37 years old and a Chief Petty Officer
in the Navy. His Mother, Ledora M Hubbard was 31. Harry R
was born in Iowa. (Fayette, Iowa to be exact according to
a 1935 INS Ships manifest listing Harry and Ledora arriving
from Canal Zone) Ledora was born in Tilden Nebraska. Ledora's
father was born in Michigan, her mother in Illinois. I havent been
able to nail down Ledora's maiden name yet. Harry R Hubbards
father was born in Vermont, his mother in Pennsylvania.

The 1910 Census, year before the "Holy One" was born, shows
Harry and Ledora married, living in a rooming house in Sioux Falls,
South Dakota. Harry's occupation was listed as "Advertising, Publicity"
Ledora's as "none".

The 1935 ship passenger manifest (SS Pastore) lists Harry and
Ledora home adress as 756 5th ave, Helena, Montana. They arrived
in New York

I also came across a couple ship passenger lists, one in 1932 and
one in 1933, listing L.Ron as traveling aboard the SS Coamo from
San Juan P.R to New York.


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Not to derail this thread, but this comment of Marty,s should be taken very seriously by those that oppose Hubbards madness.

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L. Ron Hubbard’s legacy shall be resurrected.


The above sentence sends shivers down my spine.

Gumby, you have to realize what the Indies are doing when they make such statements. They are simply putting LRH back out in front of CoS where he belongs. DM has tried to vaporize LRH into non-existence into CoS. I am waiting for bronze busts of DM to appear in Ideal Orgs.

I am personally glad to see the Indies promoting the Old Man because I know it pisses off Slappy the Terrormidget to no end. In the contest between Dave and LRH, I want LRH to have the last laugh. I want to see all traces of DM obliterated from all CoS websites after he runs off to Bulgravia. It is very funny to see DM excoriated and exposed and LRH back in the spotlight. It is so... help me out here... it is so insouciant!

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[quote="daisy"]Thank you LBV and dear sir, Don Carlo. I had thought this guy was possibly Jon's relative: http://www.ethicalart.org/bio.html.

I see that Ro ann married a guy by the name of Leake. Did this Chris Leake come from SF Bay Area? I know of a Chris Leake from around here.

Once again thanks for the data.[/quote]

yes his mother was Debbie Leake now Rodgers and was on staff at Stevens Creek org for a very long time as a reg


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I think that Marty had a lot of personal loyalty to Mary Sue from what he stated on his blog. It sounds like Mary Sue felt that DM was the reason she couldn't communicate with Hubbard in the 1980's. Marty claims that Miscavige hogged the communication line to Hubbard, and somehow Hubbard was unaware about it or was unable to do anything.

But our very own John Peeler mentioned some direct LRH communication into Int in the early 80's regarding some ethics programs. And the "pre-Marty Marty," namely David Mayo, also gave sworn testimony about a direct Hubbard order to have him essentially imprisoned at Int in the early 1980's. Hubbard had EVERY ability to communicate directly to Mary Sue if he had wanted to. I'm just not buying Marty's statement about this. I think Hubbard used Miscavige like he did everyone else, and he turned a deaf ear to his entire family to save his own Vistaril-jabbed butt (and to get the briefcases full of cash that Miscavige was dutifully taking to him).

To me the great poetic justice would be if Miscavige really DID replace Hubbard's image with his own. The entire Hubbard dynasty was decimated by the end: a disaffected son (Nibs), a son who committed suicide while in the Sea Org (Quentin), a wife who went to prison while loyally covering up Hubbard's complicity in Operation Snow White, and his two daughters who were once near the top of the Scientology command structure busted and one demoted to laundry officer. Not to mention Hubbard himself in hiding and dying in his Bluebird motor coach.

Is Marty really trying to say that the entire Hubbard dynasty was collectively outdone by a single high-school dropout? Doesn't all this say something really negative about the Hubbards and their severe lack of family cohesion? They couldn't have gotten together as a family and had Miscavige demoted to laundry officer in a heartbeat?

So now Marty is working on a book. I'm sure it is doing to contain his Hubbard whitewash. Marty, just tell it like it really was. David Mayo did. He should be your model. Don't let any "overts" that you and Mike Rinder may have committed against Mayo in the 1990's cloud your judgment on this, or the other crap you guys were involved with in the name of "standard Scientology." We are past the age of image, and now we just want truth.


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Gumbythetruth wrote:
Not to derail this thread, but this comment of Marty,s should be taken very seriously by those that oppose Hubbards madness.

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L. Ron Hubbard’s legacy shall be resurrected.


The above sentence sends shivers down my spine.


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Gumby, you have to realize what the Indies are doing when they make such statements. They are simply putting LRH back out in front of CoS where he belongs.
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And that IS the very reason I am here. To see that LRH and all his lunacy is exposed for all the world to see. Then as now hopefully intelligent thinking people will continue to spread the truth on this MONSTER. This destroyer of minds and souls. L R Hubbard.


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father was adopted by a family named Hubbard. Also, Hubbard told some stories about his mother killing a (his?) dog with a shovel, and his sad, neglected and lonely childhood
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from Ladybird Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:06 pm from http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=30367

1886

31 August. Henry August Wilson born at Fayette, Iowa. His mother dies at birth, he is adopted by Mr. and Mrs. James Hubbard of Frederiksburg, Iowa and renamed Harry Ross Hubbard. Later L. Ron Hubbard would claim all sorts of grandiose nonsense about his Hubbard lineage. From
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=19973


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Bump for newbies.

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I added a teen marriage for Roanne Horwich (Diana Hubbard's daughter) and other info for that branch, on page 1.


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I'mglib wrote:
Here is some more about LRH that to me is pretty interesting. In this version of his will, LRH specifically writes out two of his children. In fact, he denies that Alexis is his heir. What kind of man does this?
That's not unusual. After Sara divorced L. Ron & remarried Miles Hollister, Alexis was adopted by her stepfather. It wouldn't surprise me that any ill-feelings he had towards Sara included his daughter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Northrup_Hollister

I have an acquaintance, Francesca Hilton, who lives in West Hollywood, who is the natural daughter of Conrad Hilton, the heir to the Hilton Hotel fortune. Conrad set aside enormous trust funds for his children & grandchildren that they would receive when they turned 21 (Paris Hilton, her brothers & sister each inherited $50 million trust funds). Francesco was cut out of the will & disinherited, because she was the result of an unwanted pregnancy by her mother, Zsa Zsa Gabor. (Zsa Zsa wanted the baby; Conrad demanded she get an abortion).

Francesca, eventually, sued her father's estate and received a paltry $50,000 settlement. It's sad when children are included in acts of marital discord, but it happens.


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Don Carlo wrote:
Hubbard descendants:
Summary: In Sea Org Hubbard has one child, Diana, and one grandchild, Ro Ann Leake (Diana's daughter). Hubbard had 6 other children, two of whom (Nibs and Quentin) have died, and the rest appear to have left Scientology. I could find 13 grandchildren that I know of (Nib's 6+Alexis' at least 2+ Diana's 1+ Suzette's 4). Jamie DeWolfe, formerly Jamie Kennedy, and Jamie's unnamed brother, mentioned on a radio show, are the only great-grandchildren I could find, although there must be more. Jamie DeWolfe's daughter Nadia is the only great-great grandchild I could find the name of.

Details:
Wife: Margaret Louise Grubb ("Polly", m. 13-Apr-1933, div. 24-Dec-1947, two children) (Note 15)Her 2nd husband was John Ochs, and she apparently died in 1963 (Note 24)
I. L. Ron Hubbard Jr. ( ("Nibs", "Ronald DeWolf", b. 7-May-1934) near San Diego. (Note 1) Nibs had six children (Note 8), at least one of whom was born to his wife Henrietta in London in 1955 (Note 9). Nibs kept his family out of Scientology (Note 30). Gave a lurid 1983 Penthouse interview. (Note 10) Written out of the 1979, 1982, and 1986 wills (Notes 13, 21, and 22). Died in 1991 (Note 11) in Carson City, NV (Note 11a) One of his grandchildren, through Jamie’s mother, is Jamie DeWolfe, former known as Jamie Kennedy (someone else had the Kennedy name), outspoken performer and critic. (Note 11a) Jamie’s daughter, Nadia, was born around 2000 (Note 11b). Jamie has a brother (Note 11c) None of Nib’s descendants are Scientologists (Note 11c)

II. Katherine May Hubbard (b. 15-Jan-1936) in New York City (Note 2) Married in 1957; divorced in 1958 (Note 12) At time of Hubbard’s 1979, 1982, and 1986 wills, her surname was Gillespie. (Notes 13, 21 & 22) Written out of the first and second will but not out of the final will.

Wife: Sara Elizabeth Northrup (m. 10-Aug-1946, div. 12-Jun-1951, one child, bigamy) (Note 15) Wikipedia article (Note 25) Sara's surname was Hollister in 1984 (Note 34) Sara may have died 19 Dec 1997 (Note 36)

III. Alexis Valerie Hubbard (b. 8-Mar-1950) in New Jersey (Note 3). Never acknowledged as an offspring in Hubbard's wills. Alexis took her step-father's surname, Hollister, and was rebuffed after attempting to contact Hubbard (Note 37). There are two mentions that Alexis got a settlement, one mentioning the date June 1986 settlement.(Note 27). Freezone.org's timetrack says Alexis didn't get a settlement (Note 35) Alexis was married and had at least two children. (Note 28)

Wife: Mary Sue Whipp (m. Mar-1952, two daughters, two sons) (Note 15) [i]The Story of Mary Sue Hubbard has lots of photos and description of her work (Note 31). Photo of Mary Sue, Ron & their four children (Note 33) Lived with three children on the Apollo in 1974 (Note 42). Imprisoned for Snow White conspiracy, died 25 Nov 2002 (Note 26)

IV. Diana Meredith de Wolfe Hubbard (b. 24-Sep-1952) in London (Note 4)
Diana has several names:
Diana or Diane Hubbard or Diane Ryan or Diane Horwich
Engaged around 1970 to a person on the Apollo (Note 42)
Married before March 1974 to John Horwich (Note 43)
Photo of Diana in Sea Org cap (Note 38)
Diana's surname was Horwich on 15 Dec 1979 (Note 13)
"In 1979, Hubbard lived with her husband audiophile Jonathan Horwich and her daughter Roanne, in Clearwater, Florida." (Note 13a)
Divorced from Jonathan Horwich. (Note 18)
Jon Horwich is ex-Sea Org as of about 2004 (Note 19, page 3)
Diana's surname was Ryan on 10 May 1982 (Note 21) and still was Ryan on 23 January 1986 (Note 22).
She divorced John Ryan in the mid-1980's (Note 22 a)
Diana is IMPR Scriptwriter at Gold (Note 19)
Diana's only child is Roanne Horwich, daughter of Jonathan Horwich, born 14 Feb 1978.(Note 19a)
Roanne Horwich married Christian Hans Wold in 1994 (Note 19b) She was 16 and he was 17 at the time (Note 19c)
Blownforgood reported that Ro Ann Horwich flipped and totaled a car at Int Base.(Note 19)
Roanne is an electrician at Gold, a bit over 30 in 2008, and married to Chris Leake (Note 20)

V. Geoffrey Quentin McCaully Hubbard ("Quentin") (b. 6 January 1954) (Note 5) Photo of Quentin as a young man at note 31. Died 12 November 1976.

VI. Mary Suzette Rochelle Hubbard ("Suzette") b. 13 February 1955 (Note 6) Two 1974 photos (Note 45). Photo and brief romance with Arnie Lerma (Note 32)
Left Scientology, had 4 children (Note 14)
Suzette's surname on 15 December 1979 was Hubbard (Note 13)
Suzette's surname on 10 May 1982 was Titmus (Note 21)
Suzette and her husband were thrown out of Gilman Hot Springs in 1982. (Note 23)
Suzette's surname on 23 January 1986 was Hubbard (Note 22)
Suzette expressed anger at exclusion from Hubbard's death, and may have received a settlement through her mother (Note 17)
Some at CoS speculated Suzette's son was the reincarnated Hubbard (Note 41)
“Suzette was married to Guy White, ex-Sea Org executive. Now divorced. She did work for a marketing company in LA (hightechbiz.com). However, her name is no longer on their website. Assume she's still living in LA or the LA area.
They got divorced in the '90's I believe," said Tory. (Note 16)

VII. Arthur Ronald Conway Hubbard (b. 6 June 1958, probably in Washington, DC). (Note 7). Arthur has a photo probably around age 20 (Note 44) Arthur and his wife were thrown out of Gilman Hot Springs in 1982 (Note 23). Hubbard's son, Arthur, was said to have been hidden away in Happy Valley for a year after the death of his father, when Arthur had wanted to leave the "Sea Org." (Note 39). Stayed with German scientologist Gottfried Helnwein in 1990 Note 40) Left Scientology (Note 14)

Note 1: Bare-Faced Messiah (BFM), http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfmconte.htm , page 64
Note 2: BFM, page 70
Note 3: BFM, page 152
Note 4: BFM, page 208
Note 5: BFM, page 214
Note 6: BFM, page 221
Note 7: BFM, page 230
Note 8: BFM, page 311 “After 'blowing the org' in 1959, fortune had not smiled on Nibs. He had drifted from job to job, finding it ever more difficult to support his wife and six children,”
Note 9: BFM, page 221 “Nibs had a wife, Henrietta, also pregnant in 1955”
Note 10, Penthouse http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews ... w-1983.htm
Note 11: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 115109.DTL
Note 11a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_DeWolf, plus Social Security Death Index.
Note 11b http://www.ohdangmag.com/features/jamie/index.htm
Note 11c http://xenutv.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/ ... bbas-show/
Note 12: BFM, page 228. “Catherine, then twenty-one, had started working for the organization in Washington but saw little of Hubbard. She married a Scientologist in 1956 which would have pleased her father except he did not like the man; the marriage could not survive his disapproval and she divorced in 1957.”
Note 13: Hubbard's first will, http://www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.com/docu ... 1will.html
Note 13a: Wikipedia article about Diana's album Life Times, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LifeTimes
Note 14 http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/26600/3576.html
Note 15 http://www.nndb.com/people/212/000092933/
Note 16 Tory, viewtopic.php?p=172295
Note 17: "In fact Defendants' family is believed to have been kept in
ignorance of Defendant's purported stroke, demise and lack
of autopsy until after these events had occurred. Suzette
Hubbard is believed to have been particularly angered by
David Miscavige's actions in this regard." from http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/newsbrief6.htm
Note 18: Little Bear Victor at viewtopic.php?t=25295
Note 19: viewtopic.php?t=27233
Note 19a: U.S. Public Records Index, Vol. 2, Name: Roanne L Horwich, Birth Date: 14 Feb 1978, Address: 19625 Gilman Springs Rd, Gilman Hot Springs, CA
Note 19b: Nevada Marriage Index, 1956-2005
Name: Roanne Lee Marysu Horwich
Gender: Female
Residence State: California
Spouse: Christian Hans Wold
Spouse residence state: California
Marriage Date: 2 Dec 1994
Marriage County: Clark
Officiant type: Religious celebrant
Recorded Date: 5 Dec 1994
Recorded county: Clark
Book: 1205, Page: C585669, Instrument number:90787
Note 19c: U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2, Name: Christian H Wold, Birth Date: 13-Feb-77, Address: 19625 US Hwy 79, San Jacinto, CA
Note 20: Little Bear Victor, viewtopic.php?t=17650
Note 21: Hubbard's second will, http://www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.com/docu ... 6will.html
Note 22: Hubbard's "final," "thumbprint" will, http://www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.com/docu ... 3will.html
Note 22a: "She (Diana Hubbard) married John Ryan, a public Scientologist who was a music producer. I think he produced her albums at the time. They divorced sometime in the mid 80s, I think," said Lulu Belle, 6th April 2007, Gold Base Staff List - Hemet, http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.p ... list-Hemet
Note 23: "In ...1982, Suzette...was ordered to be David Miscavige's personal maid... Cedars complex. This assignment came after Suzzette and Arthur Hubbard were thrown out of Gilman Hot Springs by David Miscavige's wife Shelley, for being "out-security". This "out-security" was based on the assertion that both Suzette and Arthur's spouses were not, according to Miscavige, eligible for the security clearance necessary to live at Gilman Hot Springs." from http://www.freezone.org/reports/e_tyros.htm
Note 24: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Grubb
Note 25: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Northrup
Note 26: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue_Hubbard
Note 27: Messiah or Madman (M or M), at http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/m ... Madman.txt ,page 10 "a woman - now in her mid-thirties with red hair and unmis-
takable features distinguishing her as a Hubbard - whose first name is
Alexis, was paid a sum of money to settle her claim to part of
Hubbard's estate."
Note 28: M or M, pages 290-291: "In June of 1986 the Church of Scientology agreed to a financial settlement with Alexis. At that settlement conference they tried to get Alexis to write an affidavit that she was the daughter of Ron Jr. They had her fingerprinted and video-taped and, in exchange for
an unspecified sum of money, had her sign an agreement that she
would not write or speak on the subject of L. Ron Hubbard and her
relationship to him."
Note 29: M or M, page 291: Sara said: "She (Alexis) got a very small settlement. But she has a husband who
adores her, and life is good for her and her children. She doesn't need
a lot of money, and, especially, she doesn't need the harassment.
Note 30: M or M, page 315: "Hubbard, apparently resentful that his son had kept his wife and children out of the organization, had cut Ron Jr.'s weekly pay to almost nothing."
Note 31: The Story of Mary Sue Hubbard, by Michel Snoeck, http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/papers-scien ... y_sue.html This writer is looking for a pony in all the Hubbard horse$%!* but the photos are good and new to me.
Note 32: http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews ... blade.html
Note 33: http://www.mgtconcepts.com/ronsorg.nl/s ... family.htm
Note 34: http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/hubbards-will.htm
Note 35: http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/1986.htm
Note 36: The Social Security Death Index has a Sara N Hollister, born April 8, 1924, Social Security # issued in California, died 19 December 1997 in Hadley, MA. The birth year is exactly one year off from Wikipedia, but this is common as the informant, usually the aged person's child, remembers the birthday but gets the year wrong. This was found by a search for "Sara Hollister" at http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi
Note 37: BFM, Page 305.
Note 38: http://www.xenu.net/entheta/entheta/med ... cret3.html
Note 39: http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/usa/g80728ae.htm
Note 40: http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/germany/b ... /has06.htm
Note 41: "When L. Ron Hubbard's daughter, Suzette, had a baby boy he was -- again, they thought he was the reincarnation of their founder. " Andrew Morton (Cruise biographer), interview with CNN, http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/17/cnr.06.html
Note 42: BFM, page 303.
Note 43: "His wife Mary Sue and some of his children, Diana and her husband, John Horwich; Quentin, 19; Suzette, 17, and Arthur, 13, live on the Apollo." http://www.scientology-lies.com/press/s ... ology.html
Note 44: BFM, page 304.
Note 45: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... image&cd=1

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From the social security death index:
Catherine May Gillespie
Last Residence:97219 Portland, Multnomah, Oregon
Born:15 Jan 1936
Died:29 May 2010
State (Year) SSN issued:Washington (1954)


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"Wife: Sara Elizabeth Northrup (m. 10-Aug-1946, div. 12-Jun-1951, one child, bigamy) (Note 15) Wikipedia article (Note 25) Sara's surname was Hollister in 1984 (Note 34) Sara may have died 19 Dec 1997 (Note 36)"

Sarah married Miles Fenton Hollister, Jr in Santa Monica, CA Aug 15,, 1954.


III. Alexis Valerie Hubbard (b. 8-Mar-1950) in New Jersey (Note 3). Never acknowledged as an offspring in Hubbard's wills. Alexis took her step-father's surname, Hollister, and was rebuffed after attempting to contact Hubbard (Note 37). There are two mentions that Alexis got a settlement, one mentioning the date June 1986 settlement.(Note 27). Freezone.org's timetrack says Alexis didn't get a settlement (Note 35) Alexis was married and had at least two children. (Note 28) "

It appears that Alexis' name is now Connolly and she lives in Amherst, MA., wife of Edward Connolly
I surmise this from finding her on ancestry.com and postings by her on a few other genealogy websites.
It appears that Alexis has 3 children - A son and 2 daughters, and one granddaughter (maybe more grandchildren)


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