I would like to hear more about this side story Sea Horse.

What kind of berthing and food were given to Bridge personel and what were they charged for it? Did they pay taxes? Did the cult make deductions for Social Security and disability? Did they get health care benefits and retirement?

I do know that when I was in the cult SS was taken out of my CASH pay, but all my Social Security statements show big fat ZEROS for all the years that I was in the cult.

Story: Bridge Pubs paying minimum wage.

Some of the people who were on the EPF with me (I know of at least three) went to Bridge Publications. I recall talking to one of these people and was told that Bridge Pubs was required to pay minimum wage since it wasn't a church -- it was a publisher which sold books. Then they went on to say that they had to wear "normal clothes" (not uniforms) so they had to have some money to buy some clothes. Then they had to pay for their berthing and food, which was the same berthing and food that the rest of us Sea Org staffers had (who weren't at Bridge Pubs). So in the end, they got the same $50 per week as the rest of us.

That's what I was told by one of the Bridge Pubs staffers. How the deductions appeared on their paychecks, I dunno.

Sigh. I honestly did not think I would have to resurrect this thread, but am I surprised I have to? Not really.

A few days ago, I received a flyer from COS of Los Angeles requesting I join staff as an auditor. These "Auditors Wanted" flyers have been circulating pretty much verbatim at most Class V orgs for probably 30 years (or more) at this point. Laughable in and of itself as it is proof yet again that Scn is unable to change their tactics even though they don't work. I will be contacting my attorney tomorrow to have them write a letter to the LA org as my attorney has already sent C&D letters to Bridge Publications, The Way To Happiness Foundation, AOLA and FLAG.

However, I also received a phone call less than a half hour ago, this time from the San Francisco org. I did not at first recognize the number (415- 864-3940) as being the orgs' main phone line since I had not called it in so many years.

I hate to admit I did lose my temper somewhat when I realized it was yet another Scientology call (the 11th call since 11/20/08), but especially since this guy would not shut up even though I was nearly shouting at him since he was so determined to finish his spiel no matter how many times I tried to stop him. I informed him that my attorney has already sent C&D letters to several Scientology organizations and that they (SFO) would be sued for harassment if they called even one more time (so this will be yet another letter my attorney will be drafting this week).

AND although it was 7:10 PM PST it was 10:10 PM EST in my time zone when they called. This is a flagrant violation since telemarketers are not supposed to call after 8:00 PM, especially on a Sunday night.

I didn't hear much of what he was saying but he kept asking me if I received or watched a DVD they sent me before I hung up. I did not receive it since I moved two months ago to a different apartment in the same apartment complex, but did not fill out a change of address card (the 2nd time I've had to do that). I know this whole fiasco is part of their pathetic "recovery" efforts and that most likely all Class V orgs and maybe the remaining missions are doing the same thing, but I am curious as to the contents of this DVD they are pushing. How many exes here or your family/friends have received the DVD? I must admit to being curious to see what bone-headed tripe they've come up with in hopes of luring back ex-Scientologists with. I mean some Scios still pretend that Anonymous and the Internet never existed.

If it's the event where Miscavige tells of the new release of the newly edited Basic Books event, then I recommend not watching it. I was able to "stomach" watching about 30 minutes before I shelved it, never to be seen again. Since then a few people told me that Miscavige uses some NLP (neuro linguistic programming) in his presentation. I'm glad I didn't watch it through.

I know of one person who was in the Freezone, was even studying there and bought an emeter. He watched the video and next thing you know he was buying the damn books! After he told me he watched-then-bought, I REALLY didn't want to watch the end of that video.

Not everybody would be annoyed at having a friendly Scilon call in desperation. The way to go would be to send in some of their post cards in the Dianetics books or perhaps that so-called personality analysis. Give as your address the address of some cop who wrote you a ticket or perhaps you favorite IRS agent or for that matter the stylist who gave you a really crumby haircut. For your phone use a disposable throw-away cell phone. Invite some of your Anon buddies over, put out the chips and dips, have a case of beer on hand, and put the calls on speaker fone. If your anon buddies are over most of the time, they can all take turns taking the fone calls. Should be good for a few lulz!


JUST KIDDING!

Pete

Let me beat a dead horse one more time. (I apologize, Sea Horse, for that analogy and I am carefully watching my own avatar here.)

There is a difference between "away" and "out." If you are truly "out" of scientology the various control mechanisms they bring to bear will have no effect on you. Having said that, I can think of a million and one things I would rather do than watch the video in question, listening to paint dry being one of them.

Au contraire, mon ami des chevaux. NLP is not scientology, but can be an effective hypno-tool.



That aside, I didn't feel like "testing" my (then recent) resolve by immersing myself in listening to Miscavige's ramblings.

Besides, even 30 minutes of the dead-to-me-subject was b-o-o-o-o-r-i-n-g!

OK. I'll give you neuro linguistic programming (NLP) being an effective tool. However, for one who is "out" and for some who are still "in" their association with Davey is negative going in. So it would probably be less effective on those people.

Having said that and having read the stuff in your link I still do not fully understand what goes on with NLP but thank you for putting it on my radar. I'll be looking into it in more detail soon.

If someone out there who has had the fortitude to watch the DVD and observed the instances of Davey using NLP, would you, please, tell us the details about it.

Discussions on ESMB about it start at post 743 of this thread: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=54680#post54680

and a post here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=74403&highlight=nlp#post74403

4truth2 I have a suggestion that might help to make them stop calling. Start discussing OTIII. It sure worked for me. The girl on the phone with me had to get off immediately and handed the phone to a superior. The superior didn't seem comfortable discussing it and got off very soon after. I believe they are not allowed to talk with anyone about OTIII (because it's so ridiculously stupid and significant brainwashing must occur before one can swallow that load of crap!). lol Give it a try and let me know if it works . . .

They believe:

"The material involved in this sector is so vicious that
it is carefully arranged to kill anyone if he discovers the
exact truth of it." —LRH

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Penetrating the First and Second Wall of Fire

The actual history of Earth is wild beyond any science
fiction story ever written

On your journey through OT V at AOSH UK, you'll probe
the darkest secrets of this sector of the universe, what
happened to it and what happened to you and why.
Anything powerful enough to destroy the sanity of every
many, woman and child on Earth was something so
powerful and so evil that it defies imagination.

Until you pass through the First and Second Wall of Fire
this magnitude of charge is unhandled on your case.
Because of the depth and power of this charge, it's
sitting right there with you, affecting you every minute
of every day.

[...]

LRH spoke of OT III, the First Wall of Fire, in Ron's Journal
67:
"The mystery of this universe, and this particular sector of
the universe has been , as far as its track is concerned,
completely occluded. No one has ever been able to make
any breakthrough and come off with it and know what
happened. As a matter of fact, it is so occluded that if
anyone tried to penetrate it as I'm sure many have, they
died. The material involved in this sector is so vicious that
it is carefully arranged to kill anyone if he discovers the
exact truth of it." —LRH

This vicious material is what you are addressing on OT III.
That is why it's so vital that you move up through it with no
delay. Clears especially are at risk—a risk that often isn't
real to many until they open the OT III pack and read the
details of what LRH is talking about above.

—Advance! 172
© 2004 Church of Scientology Religious Education College Inc.

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Thank you for that reference Mr. Mushroom.

My attorney is drafting two C&D letters (which will total 6 C&D’s thus far, the previous 4 were mailed on 12/17/08), one to the Los Angeles org and one to the San Francisco org. I indicated I wanted the one to SF to stress that they not only sent me mail and called me, but that the call occurred at 10:10 PM on a Sunday evening, a telemarketing violation.

The cult will almost certainly claim ignorance of the past do not call or contact requests, which leads me to another question:


On 11/25/08, I mailed a letter to the address below

Addresso Int
Central Addresso
6331 Hollywood Blvd
Los Angeles CA 90028
(323) 960-3550
To: Merav Ellis, Address Correction and Policing I/C,
or whoever is holding that post

as per Sea Horses’ suggestion on 11/21/08, so it has been exactly three months today since I mailed this letter. Exactly how long does it take for this to take affect? Sea Horse said that this would ensure being “removed from every single scientology CORPORATION there is... including every mission or org who ever wrote to you, WISE, Narconon, ABLE, Applied Scholastics, TWTH Foundation, IAS, and more.”

If this is so, why is it taking so long? Do you think they are lamely trying to buy time by claiming ignorance of this request, even though there is virtually NO chance I would ever return to Scientology under ANY circumstances, which I have repeatedly indicated in every phone conversation in the last three months? I keep a log of all calls and postal mailings, but it just seems that their tactic of claiming ignorance of previous requests somehow immunes them from legal action. The only thing that will probably stick until the above request goes into effect is time of night they make their calls and keep reminding them of telemarketing laws (which DO apply to them, no matter how much they try and wiggle out of it).

You could have the C&D letter accompanied with a routing form, on which the last item would be a notification of compliance sent to your lawyer.

I'm half joking. You would have to figure out the "posts" on the "org board" and what they would each have to do to get you off the mailing and phone lists. Someone else who has familiarity with their current "org board" may be able to help you with this.

The policy that was in place, when I was on staff, was that if a person saw a lawyer about getting communication from the "org" that communication was to stop. The policy may have changed.

They will still have your folder or folders in their "central files." They will put a mark or a note on the file but they will also have your name and address on an adresso card and probably in databases. Getting the folder flagged may not get your addresso cards or database records marked or deleted.

Would it be possible to get a court order to deliver your "central files" folders to you and not retain any copies? Privacy laws may back you on that.

Just rambling some ideas at you.

Well that is one of the basic steps in communicating with clients through telephone. This is also a nicer approach to tell it to them. I guess it would be nicer if an agent learns the code of ethics so that he knows what and how to say words properly.