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Promising new PTSD treatment a blow to CoS recruitment?

Post by Don Carlo » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:04 pm

CoS claims to treat Post Traumatic Stress Disorder by repeatedly going over the incident until (CoS claims) the person no longer has a visceral and emotional response. Many people were attracted to CoS hoping to cure old trauma, only to be sucked into exploitation and fraud while STILL not really cured of their PTSD. If medical science with ONE easy injection of a special anesthesia* can really help PTSD victims for six months, that removes one more reason anyone would seek out Scientology.

* Common anesthetic procedure dramatically improves well being of veterans with PTSD, American Society of Anesthesiologists, Oct. 11, 2014, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 172042.htm

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Post by Don Carlo » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:39 pm

CoS can't lure in fresh recruits when science and progress make it irrelevant.

1. Promised "cure" for traumatic memories - FAILED if the above anesthesia injection every six months, works far better.
2. Promised "cure" for drugs and alcohol addiction - FAILED as Narconon lawsuits show the deaths and disappointments.
3. Promised "cure" for homosexuality - FAILED as society accepts homosexuality and sees "cures" as abusive quackery.
4. Promised "cure" for broken relationships - FAILED as relationships are sabotaged if the loved ones criticize CoS.
5. Promised "cure" for poor scholastic performance - FAILED as school systems see Applied Scholastics as ineffective and mostly aimed at Scientology recruitments
6. Promised OT abilities - FAILED as the Internets reveals that OT grads are pretending they have the abilities, and the OT levels are revealed as outlandish fables rather than enchanting mysteries.
7. Promised boost to show-biz careers - FAILED as Scientologist Hollywood celebrities grow older and less connected, while late-night comedians prosper by mocking Scientology.

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Re: Promising new PTSD treatment a blow to CoS recruitment?

Post by Don Carlo » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:58 pm

Maybe one reason some CoS members are addicted to the temporary euphoria from auditing is that it distracts from traumatic memories for a few days. CoS would likely see this new anesthesia treatment as competition and denounce it as a "psych drug" since it IS a drug and it HAS psychological effects - by affecting the emotional impact of memories.

CoS would PUNISH members for using it by treating them like heroin addicts - shaming them and making them go through the Purification Rundown and other expensive courses. Sea Org workers might need PTSD treatments the most, due to beatings and other abuse, but users of the anesthesia treatment would be thrown out for using psych drugs. Yet CoS is weakening its own "treatment" of PTSD to older members by downplaying auditing in favor of mega-donations for Ideal Orgs and IAS. Older members then may not be getting even auditing treatments for old and NEW traumatic memories - broken hips, scary medical treatments, death of friends and family, etc.

So, potential new recruits may choose the quick six-month anesthesia fix for PTSD, and never join. Older CoS members may think longingly of being rid of painful memories using the six-month anestheia fix, since CoS is doing nothing but hound them for donations and (for celebrities) use of their fame to promote events.

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Re: Promising new PTSD treatment a blow to CoS recruitment?

Post by Don Carlo » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:01 pm

Even if Sea Org workers hope to ease past trauma, they CAN'T hope to "treat it" during an audit if trauma was caused by Miscavige beating them, or getting injured when a top exec ordered them to do dangerous work without safety equipment. They fear a videotape of their audit will reach Miscavige, and the abuse will worsen.

What if a Sea Org exec with Daddy's money like Nick Banks was traumatized, but had a few hundred in cash, cell phone and a half day of freedom, and sneaked off to get a six month anesthesia injuection to improve his PTSD? What if, then, he found the inner strength to stand up to Miscavige, or (more wisely) QUIT? What if PTSD among Sea Org workers is a feature, not a bug? The PTSD keeps them off balance and fearful of quitting.

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Re: Promising new PTSD treatment a blow to CoS recruitment?

Post by Wieber » Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:53 pm

Dianetics is a squirrel version of abreaction therapy, which was a very early treatment for acute post traumatic
stress. Reference: Battle for the Mind by William Sargant. According to Judith Herman, in Trauma and
Recovery
, treatments for post traumatic stress became prevalent in public awareness, late in the nineteenth
century, with publicity associated with Freud, in World War One, and again in World War Two. It faded from
general awareness after those wars ended. Dianetics, as a form of abreaction therapy, was formulated to treat
acute post traumatic stress. Hubbard neglected to point out the side effects of the treatment and used it on
everyone without accurate prior diagnosis. Treatment for post traumatic stress disorder, according to Herman,
became prevalent again more recently with the rise of the women's movement, as a means for women to deal
with the after effects of rape and abusive relationships. Herman classifies traumatic stress that results from
ongoing abuse as complex traumatic stress. The treatment for post traumatic stress that Herman details includes
therapy that has elements of Dianetics in it because it has evolved from abreaction therapy, which Hubbard
bastardized into Dianetics. But notice I said that therapeutic element of the treatment has evolved. Thanks to
Hubbard's obsession with being the only one and his policy, Keeping Scientology Working, Scientology does
not have the use of that therapy's evolution.

I found that reading Judith Herman's Trauma and Recovery is therapeutic to post traumatic stress all on its
own without engaging in any other treatment or therapy because she imparts a very thorough understanding of
what post trauma is and how it can affect a person. She then details the treatment for it. I would not recommend
her book as a substitute for treatment and therapy but I recommend it because reading it will, in my opinion, make
treatment and therapy more effective.

Unfortunately for those involved in Scientology, particularly sea org staff members, Trauma and Recovery is
essentially a banned book. On the book cover it says, 'Judith Herman MD.' That indicates she is a psychiatrist.
Anyone involved in Scientology who reads that book will be looking forward to ethics handling and data stripping.
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Re: Promising new PTSD treatment a blow to CoS recruitment?

Post by Don Carlo » Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:32 pm

Some people WON'T talk to a therapist about their war trauma, or their rape, or their domestic violence, and might be helped by a quick medical procedure. One visit with a quick-healing injection would be easier for, say Travolta to hide, instead of many trips to a psychiatrist. That's why this could be REAL competition for CoS.

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Re: Promising new PTSD treatment a blow to CoS recruitment?

Post by Wieber » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:31 am

Don Carlo wrote:Some people WON'T talk to a therapist about their war trauma, or their rape, or their domestic violence, and might be helped by a quick medical procedure. One visit with a quick-healing injection would be easier for, say Travolta to hide, instead of many trips to a psychiatrist. That's why this could be REAL competition for CoS.
I can see where this drug might open the door to therapy for some people. If people involved with Scientology, take
the drug it might allow them to enter a state of mind that allows them to walk away. A few people doing that could
lead to a kind of Streisand effect within Scientology.
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Re: Promising new PTSD treatment a blow to CoS recruitment?

Post by Entheta You » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:54 pm

4. Promised "cure" for broken relationships

Someone should tell Tom Cruise about this. he seems to have problems in this regard.

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Re: Promising new PTSD treatment a blow to CoS recruitment?

Post by Demented Source » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:28 pm

Don Carlo wrote:CoS claims to treat Post Traumatic Stress Disorder by repeatedly going over the incident until (CoS claims) the person no longer has a visceral and emotional response. Many people were attracted to CoS hoping to cure old trauma, only to be sucked into exploitation and fraud while STILL not really cured of their PTSD. If medical science with ONE easy injection of a special anesthesia* can really help PTSD victims for six months, that removes one more reason anyone would seek out Scientology.

* Common anesthetic procedure dramatically improves well being of veterans with PTSD, American Society of Anesthesiologists, Oct. 11, 2014, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 172042.htm
Some psychologists not affiliated with CoS used the same method of recollection of painful incidents to treat PTSD. but it was proven to be extremely ineffective and in some cases harmful, so now only a handful non-Scientology psychologists continue using it.
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Re: Promising new PTSD treatment a blow to CoS recruitment?

Post by Don Carlo » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:10 pm

Different treatment news, using low-level light beamed into the head.
Using light to image and potentially to treat PTSD, University of Texas at Arlington, September 6, 2016, Sciencedaily.com, https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 213622.htm

My comment: PTSD is a major lure into Scientology, and Scientology has nothing against light as a treatment, so this could help anyone in or out of CoS with untreated PTSD.

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Re: Promising new PTSD treatment a blow to CoS recruitment?

Post by Wieber » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:22 pm

A key text on post traumatic stress disorder is Trauma and Recovery by Judith Herman MD. Early chapters in that book deal with the historical background of post traumatic stress treatment. Readers might want to put the book down or skip the early section, but it puts the rest in context. Just reading this particular book, without undergoing any specific therapy, can be very helpful for those affected by post traumatic stress.

Another helpful book on the subject is Battle for the Mind by William Sargant. I found it difficult going reading this but well worth the effort. This book partly deals with early post traumatic stress treatment, called abreaction therapy. Sargant then puts this in context with relation to mind control and undue influence.

Scientology wants you not to read those books. Scientology wants you not to know about them. If you are involved in Scientology reading books written by psychiatrists will get you into trouble with the ethics officer, master at arms and the office of special affairs personnel.
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