I believe it was Arnie Lerma, not critics in general, who posted at least two threads about this photo and another pic with the same audience in the background, featuring Volney Mathison. Arn was trying to get people to agree with him that LRH had doctored a photo of Mathison.

The general consensus over at WWP was that it was Volney who doctored a photo of LRH, not the other way around. I came to the same conclusion myself, because the LRH pic had more detail and was less grainy.

L. Ron Hubbard was an ugly man. He was ugly all his life. I felt so guilty having that opinion when I was "in." When I saw pictures of him from his younger days I was repulsed by his expression and body language. Thankfully that never came up any time I was "holding the cans."

(Yes I said, "cans" when the proper term is "electrodes." "Lenin had a beard. Gabby Hayes had whiskers.")

L. Ron Hubbard's personality comes through all the photoshopping anyone ever did. His personality made him an ugly man. The camera captures that. It almost always does.

The first photo ... he was never a Marine officer. Back in 1943, commissioned naval officers and chief petty officers (senior non-com's) had, as part of their uniforms, dress, undress, and working kahki's. The dress and undress kahki's were part of the uniform until the mid seventies, along with the brown shoes. Since then, only the working kahki's remained. The point was to simplify uniform requirements I believe. Since then, dress and undress blues and dress and undress whites have remained for officers and senior non coms. Also, I remember seeing dress OLIVE uniforms on Naval Aviators as well as senior Naval airwing non-coms as late as 1979. I suppose that the latest Naval uniform specs can be found on the web somewhere.

The second photo ... Hubbard was clowning, posing for the photo. There was some famous Admiral of the 19th century in a painting with his collar up like that.

Pete

Using Battleships in anti sub warfare? Yeah right. Hubbard was probably dumb enough.

Battleships are big and slow , not what you want when chasing subs.
i dont think battleships even mounted deptcharges.

Maybe hubbard served on a montana class battleship?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_class_battleship

Swift didn't make this up. Bustin' broncs at the age of three was definitely part of the official bio that I remember.

What really paints the picture is not the ever-widening whitewash brush.
It's Hubbard's narratives or "confessionals" like the Nixon tapes minus the 18 minutes that were erased. Suzanne Marie would argue that they were 27 minutes or 16 minutes as a distraction to protect her hero. These narratives reveal a cold, calculating personality. Cold and vile. A man who seemed more focused on his ***k than being "mankind's greatest friend." Also, what can't be erased are his military records, academic records and the incontrovertible proof that he was a bigamist. It's all out there. What kind of man would be a bigamist? A lying man who does not value truth in relationships. A cruel man who would kidnap the child born of this bigamous relationship in order to further punish the woman who he has wronged. Abusers do that kind of thing. And then there are all the testimonies from those who were at the receiving end of his rage which worsened as the years went by. No whitewash brush can erase those memories. And as less fear the cult, more will talk and more of the truth will be revealed.

First of all SM where is the link to wwp where this consensus is that it was Volney not LRH who was "doctored" into the photo? I've never seen such a thread over there.

Also it was not just Arnie but others including me who say it is LRH who is shooped in and it is easily seen just looking at the area around the seat & with Hubbard himself.

First of all no one sits a third of the way up the back of a seat but if we are to believe this picture then that is exactly what L Ron is doing (totally ridiculous). Also the unrealistically darkened area around Hubbard's face and right shoulder (which has a pair of disembodied legs in front of a seat) is a clear sign of alteration that is unmistakable.


As usual SM you try to put forth a total load of BS without any backing and expect it to be believed as truth. You attempts at trying to channel Hubbard have failed miserably once again!

Where is all the material Gerry Armstrong used to have?

I wonder who will be the next to write a definitive bio of LRH. Two good ones exist so far, Bare Faced Messiah and A Piece of Blue Sky. And who will write the expose on Co$? As the dirty laundry gets more and more exposed, as the truth is slowly uncovered, there is less and less room in the dark for the lies to fester and soil the unwitting victims and intentional pseudo-Nazis that participate in the current cult.

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/276-epic ... e-32509/2/


You may not have been looking for it.

That does not even remotely resemble a consensus SM. You are reaching to the sublime for validation SM and that doesn't work in the real world.

Four people commenting in which one thinks Matheson was shooped in, one agrees but admits no ability to tell, another says shooped more (meaning both look suspicious to them) and one links to a video in which Hubbard is shown being placed in the very picture.









One of them referred to this site with better copies of the pic:

http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/black-dianetics.htm

In which the statement about Hubbard's version of the pic:



Not exactly an endorsement!

P.S. Hands in one that are not in another is not a clue to shooping. Those can be easily be added in and techniques for doing that go back to Stalin who just like Hubbard loved to revise history when it suited him.

The larger point here is that the Cult has had to efface the many documented lies from Hubbard's biography:

1. Fake Ph.D.
2. LRH's many claims to be a Nuclear Physicist and to have been offered a place on the Manhattan Project
3. Fake Civil Engineer
4. Fake 22+ WWII combat medals, including the Purple Heart with palm.
5. Fake claims to have been machined gunned in the back by the Japanese.
6. Fake claim to have been the first American casualty of WWII and to have been flown home in the Secretary of the Navy's private plane.
7. Fake claims to have healed himself of being crippled and blinded at the end of WWII.
8. Fake claim to have had only two wives.
9. Fake claim that his work in OTO (Thelema) was at the behest of the US Gov't to break up an espionage ring.
10. Fake claim to have invented the E-Meter.
11. Lied about pre-WWII financial success.
12. Asked for Gov't psychiatric help for moroseness and suicidal ideations, this despite having claimed to have healed himself at the end of WWII.
13. Failure to attribute his sources for Dianetics, Freud, Korzybski, etc.
14. Failure to admit that Scn involves hypnosis.
15. Money laundering.
16. Withhold on his Recreational Drug Use.
17. David Mayo created NOTs and LRH stole it.
18. Lied about his poor health condition constantly.
19. Convicted of Fraud in absentia in France.
20. Unindicted Co-Conspirator in Op Snow White.

Suzie, the list goes on and on. These are just an example. In the larger scheme of things, Scientologists believe the words of a documented liar, con artist. The Cult has been attempting to sanitize LRH's Bio in order to get rid of his lies. However, purging the truth about LRH from Scn websites will never cause these facts to change. Hubbard was an enormous liar, and, he lied about major matters. Therefore, how can anyone believe anything he said? How can anyone be a Scientologist?

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Swift,

Your nattering and your accusations prove only one thing ... you must have overts against LRH, Scientology, and/or Scientologists. Fortunately, we have the tech to salvage your case, but, quite frankly, it might take a lot. You are obviously REALLY PTS to someone or something. Once we get you through all of this, you will have the wonderful cognition that LRH's past is exactly what DM/RTC/the LRH Library says it is. Fortunately, inspite of the long waiting list to get into session, a block of time HAS opened up and we can get you into session IMMEDIATELY.

Pete

As I recall, the original thread was on Enturbulation.org. It's probably in the WhyWe Protest archives somewhere. There was no consenusus, but the evidence seemed to support SM's understanding- the Hubbard photo is the original. On the other hand - who cares?

Re: The disputed photo: Who knows? Volney was a much of a hack as Hubbard. These guys were competing to corner the market in selling Cannibuzz Sativa, so it was all Fair Game. The electronic opium trade in first half of the 20th century has been well documented by Mr. Arnaldo Lerma, gentleman, scholar, and one of the guys who burned through a $1,000,000 legal insurance policy in the 1990's fighting the Cult after it raided his home. Arnie writes on Cannibuzz Sativa and Tom Cruise:

http://www.lermanet.com/endorphin-emeter.htm


ref: op cit

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I joined CoS in 1975, and was never shown anything about LRH's 'PhD'.

Ditto.

Who says he was a civil engineer?

Never saw anything about this either.

Were you there, Swifty?

When and where was this claim made?

Didn't his medical record state that he had actinic visual probs and arthritis? Did he continue to have these issues after leaving the hospital?

He had two valid marriages. The Sarah Northrup marriage was not valid since he was separated but not divorced from Polly Grubb, his first wife.

Can you prove he wasn't?

Dox?

Using Dianetics, which was not invented until later? Aren't you the one making the fake claim here?

Didn't he mention them as formative influences, along with Will Durant, in DMSMH and various other tapes and publications? You read Dianetics, didn't you?

It does not.

Source of the story is chronic liar Nibs Hubbard.

There wouldn't have been any recreational drug use after the late 60s or so. That's when he came down hard on it. I don't consider Vistaril a recreational drug. Did you know it is sold over the counter as Zyrtec, an allergy medication?

Wasn't it Mayo's job to develop NOTs at the time, as a tech terminal working for LRH?

Do you mean he pretended to be in poor health, or pretended to be healthy, or just never talked about his health?

If you don't show up to answer the charges against you, you will lose the case, inevitably.

What do you think Op Snow White was all about anyway? CoS plants copied government documents which detailed a plan to destroy CoS. I totally don't care that he did this to defend himself and his church.



You're a huge liar yourself. And yet there are still people who admire you.
I don't think LRH lied nearly as much as you do. Your lying is about hurting and degrading people, many of them long gone. And some of your lying is to shore up your weak arguments or make others look bad.

That's what is so sick about it.