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Ex Scientology Kids has a thread about [url=http://www.exscientologykids.com/eskforums/viewtopic.php?t=2276[/]Mace Kingsley[/url].

Here's an open letter to Debbie Mace.

Here's an ESMB thread: "I CLOSED MACE KINGSLEY RANCH in NEW MEXICO."

From WWP: New Info On Wally Hanks, Scilon Paedophile

WWP: Scientology Child Abuse: Make It Viral

Youtube: 1/2 Alexandria's experience at Scientology's Mace Kingsley Ranch in NM
Youtube: 2/2 Alexandria's experience at the Mace Kingsley Ranch School (follow up)

Youtube: EX-Scientology Kids: Jenna Miscavige, Astra Woodcraft 1/3
Youtube: EX-Scientology Kids: Jenna Miscavige, Astra Woodcraft 2/3
Youtube: EX-Scientology Kids: Jenna Miscavige, Astra Woodcraft 3/3

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I know I'm pointing out the obvious, but notice that every one of these issues says "Sea Organization" or "Flag Organization" at the top. Does "Sea Organization" = Scientology? I could debate that but I don't have the time nor energy. Do Flag Orders and Sea Org Issues equal "policy"? Only if you are a Sea Org member. Sea Org Issues are in fact not policy in Scientology, therefore I refer to them as Issues.


The Mace-Kingsley newsletters show that they apply the full range Hubbard's tech, including his bond-breakers and bully-makers. I hope the evidence I'm posting answers any confusion you or Joe Scientologist might be concerned about, Dorothy.

But anyway, as you also noted, this material is posted in the public interest.



I can only speak of what I know, from what I have observed.

One point is that Flag Orders, which most of what is posted here, applies to Sea Org only. Well, not APPLIES, but are to be read and applied by SO members only. They are not available to the general Scientologist.

Policies and HCOB's are widely available to staff, SO members and public.

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(Different time periods were met with different handlings of the children and babies. That in itself needs its own time line, because it has changed many times over time, including and up to forced abortions, of which I had 2 while in the SO. My SO children years were 75 to 88ish.... though if you remember the FO's say at 6 you are no longer a child. That is true. I was on various posts and helping out in the SO at 5 and 6 years old).

In the SO, the children are/were separated from their parents. That was common. No children, espcially young children, lived with their parents. We had separate dorms for kids only.

We had family time for one hour per day, from 5 to 6 pm. Often my mother would just sleep through family time and ignore my brother and I. Looking back, I am sure she was not getting enough sleep. It was frustrating for me because I would try to spend time with her and all she wanted to do was sleep.

There was also that Family Day mentioned in one of the FO's. At a certain point, that too was cancelled.

From 75 to 2004, I would say the most time I ever spent with my mom was the last 3 months I was in the SO (right before I got declared). We spent some good times together then. Sadly, it did not last.

Most of the time we had nannies and governesses.

Some of the kids I grew up with:

Jesse Radstrom
Cassavious Tabayoyan
Axel Johannsen
Sandy Fries
Kim Fries
Alison Spencer
Nathan Spencer
Mettayya Wright
Chin Dao Wright
Lorriane Isaacson
Jade Kevenaar
Jasja Kevenaar
Fed Tisi
Jorge Avila
Serge Obolensky

Many, many more I am sure that I have forgotten!

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I have no idea how children of Scientology parents were raised. I dont think they were separated from their parents as much, but I know some were sent to the Mace Kingsley Ranch, which would be a type of separation.

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[quote="caroline"]Here Mace-Kingsley uses standard Merchant of Chaos "dangerous environment" tech to merchandize the Purif for kids. This is really pathetic.
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Actually LRH HCOB on the Purif states that no-one under 14 can do the Purif. Why are they promoting it to children? Weird.

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I audited briefly at Mace-Kingsley, Clearwater in the early 1990's. My Mace-Kingsley hatting included reading a pack of Hubbard "advices," including the issues I posted above. I remember being a bit shocked that they would have SO material. But then Greg Smith is an ex-Sea org member, and I believe Debbi Mace is ex-SO as well.

In any case, Mace-Kingsley applies the full range of Hubbard material on children and families, and is policed by RTC, the most rabid, lord-of-the-flies sort of Sea Organs.

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caroline wrote:
I audited briefly at Mace-Kingsley, Clearwater in the early 1990's. My Mace-Kingsley hatting included reading a pack of Hubbard "advices," including the issues I posted above. I remember being a bit shocked that they would have SO material. But then Greg Smith is an ex-Sea org member, and I believe Debbi Mace is ex-SO as well.

In any case, Mace-Kingsley applies the full range of Hubbard material on children and families, and is policed by RTC, the most rabid, lord-of-the-flies sort of Sea Organs.


I believe it.

I remember kids coming out of Mace Kingsley. The only name I could give is:

Over-restimulated.

Those kids seemed to be in pretty rough shape.

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Here Mace-Kingsley uses standard Merchant of Chaos "dangerous environment" tech to merchandize the Purif for kids. This is really pathetic.


Actually LRH HCOB on the Purif states that no-one under 14 can do the Purif. Why are they promoting it to children? Weird.


Issue 42 (2007) includes a Purification Rundown success story from an 11 year old! IANAMHP, but these success stories sound very manic and delusional.

I'll include the whole page, to help document Mace-Kingsley's international activities as well.

Mace-Kingsley Newsletter Issue 42 wrote:
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Who will audit your child?
MACE-KINGSLEY AUDITOR COMPLETES OT VII AND GOES TO THE SHIP FOR OT VIII!!!

Ziba Feulner


Ziba Feulner is Mace-Kingsley's remote Golden Age of Tech Class V auditor. Able to deliver services in English, German and Farsi, she has been traveling the world auditing about 6000 hours since the year 2000 in such countries as Thailand, Germany, Italy, Greece, Spain, Luxembourg and the US.

About working at Mace-Kingsley Ziba says, "The reason I want to work at Mace-Kingsley is to audit children to create a better future for us all."
Everyone at Mace-Kingsley would like to congratulate Ziba for recently completing New OT VII!

SUCCESS STORIES

"I have finished the Purification Rundown! I feel really great and free. I feel cleaner than ever on the inside and outside. This feeling is amazing! I feel that the negative side of me has just disappeared and has been replaced with a new positive side. I, the spirit, feel good and no drugs can ever stand in my way. I feel so much happier and brighter as a being. I AM ME!" - K.M., 11 yrs.

Objective Auditing:

"OH MY GOD! Today I had a blowout session with such big realizations that my mouth couldn't keep up with my thoughts. Most of my biggest realizations are listed below:

"I can have affinity with whatever I want and I can not have affinity with whatever I want.

"I can agree that something is real or disagree and it is only real to me if I believe so.

"I can communicate or not communicate with whatever I want.

"I can have anything that I want in my space and I have control over my space.

"THE GREATEST ONE: If I have intention with FULL cause and responsibility, then there is no counter intention strong enough to go against it.

"These realizations along with many others add up to ummmmm.......WOW!!!!!!! The objectives are great things, long but amazing. I felt very different at the end of the session and I felt calm. Being in present time is GREAT! Thanks LRH!" - ST., 12 yrs.

The Happiness Rundown®:

"I am so happy I don't think that there is a word for how happy and up tone I truly am! On every session I would realize something new and look at everything in a different way. I really loved this rundown!!!!! I will use EVERYTHING that I learned on it and I plan to be on the Way to Happiness for the rest of my life!!!!! It is so incredible what a session can do to me!" - CV., 14 yrs.

Ethics:

"I had a lot of fun. I'm so happy I was able to let out my overts. It helped me realize many things. I feel really happy right now and I feel as if my whole body is jumpy with excitement. I'm glad I did this." - S.B.

The Thinking Book Course:

"While I was doing this course I started to recognize outpoints and plus points and could see what was logical. It was a great feeling. I now realize when I'm being reasonable and since doing this course I know that I can fix it. 'The Thinking Book Course' was great and I totally enjoyed doing this course." - S.P., 11 3/4 yrs.


Mace-Kingsley Newsletter 42, 2.

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Nancy Cartwright lures in parents by making their children free to her Fifth Annual Happy House Poker Tournament and BBQ 24 April 2010, and lures in the kids for free to the glitter of gambling and delight of listening to Bart Simpson. This is so scientological.

Happy House is full on commercialism, using Cartwright's Bart Simpson beingness. But read The Nancy News, Volume 14, Issue 3.

Wow, Nancy/Scientology bagged Jamie Gold. Well good luck Jamie.

The Nancy News wrote:
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November 2009, Tri-annual Issue
"Up and Coming News from Nancy Cartwright
Volume 14 Issue 3
Just From Nancy...

Yay for Fall!

Having been born and raised in Ohio, I have to admit that I totally miss the change of seasons here in Los Angeles. HOWEVER, I have this amazing sycamore tree that goes through its cycles season after season and I relish how glorious this time of year is by watching the changes in that tree.

Another way to know that it is Fall is because every October Fox premieres the Simpsons' Halloween episode. This year's spooky offering marked season 20, as you know, and the premiere party was a doozie! It was held at the Barker Hangar at the Santa Monica airport. Inside, we were invited to play a giant Twister game on a huge inflatable board, and get rolled down the bowling alley inside a giant bowling ball. There was a silk-screen station where all the guests could choose a pattern for a t-shirt, all gratis, of course.

Twenty down, twenty more to go!

For the Nonce, Nancy

MARK YOUR CALENDARS

• November 21 st - The Second Annual Children's Day at Woodley Park
• January 30th - Reception for CSUN Performing Arts Center
• March 14th - Hosting International Family Film Festival
• April 16-18 - Ohio University appearance
• April 24th - Fifth Annual Happy House Poker Tournament and BBQ

Join Us for Children's Day

Nancy is proud to once again be a part of Children's Day - A Salute to Kids on November 21st at Woodley Park in the San Fernando Valley. She was a part of last year's first Children's Day event and this year promises to be bigger and better. There will be celebrities, music, dancing, carnival rides, rock climbing, face painting, arts and crafts as well as plays put on by other children.

The event will begin at 9 am and go until 4 in the afternoon. The best part is, admission is free. So join 50,000 people including children and their families and have a great day dedicated to the kids.

For more information, or for directions, visit the website, www.childrensday2009.com. See you there!


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4th ANNUAL MONTE CARLO A HUGE SUCCESS

The 4th Annual Monte Carlo Night took place on October 3 with a Denim & Diamonds theme. It seems this party gets better every year!! Every one of the people in attendance—numbering over 500!—had a blast. Nancy, dressed in elegant cowgirl regalia, once again opened her home to raise additional funds for PALS (Police Activities League Supporters) to purchase materials needed for the various programs at the Greig Smith LAPD Devonshire Youth Center.

Loads of Nancy's celebrity friends, professional poker players as well as a few hundred other people came for an evening of Texas Hold 'Em and other games. Tom Kenny, the amazing voice of SpongeBob SquarePants, once again lent his talents as emcee of the festivities.

The celebrity guests mixed, mingled and played Monte Carlo games until the very end of the evening. Kirstie Alley, Camryn Manheim, Yancy Arias, Bill Smitrovich, Kate Linder, Stefanie Schaeffer, Patrick Cassidy, Derrick Williams, Jose Canseco, Dorian Harewood, and others joined Jamie Gold, World Series of Poker Main Event winner of 2006, as well as Poker pros Mary Jones (who once again hosted poker boot camp), Barbara Enright, Marsha Waggoner, Kristy Gazes and others. Mark Eddleman won the 1st Place Trophy. Second place went to Mike Armstrong and the third place winner was Marina Baroco.

The silent auction and Chinese raffle let several people bring home treasures including jewelry, specialty baskets and celebrity and sports memorabilia. Some lucky person even won lunch with Nancy!

The evening could not have been possible without the support of many people and sponsors including Innovative Artists, Polanti Watches, Rockstar, Before and After Mints, Wiseman & Burke, Law Offices of Leah Antonio-Ketcham, Esq., H20 Water, LifeSource Water, Fox Television and many others.

Thank you to all who contributed and attended. We look forward to seeing you next year!

[image: Nancy and Tom Kenny]

[Image: Winner Mark Eddleman flanked by pro Jamie Gold and Nancy]


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happy house building better families

PRESENTS

The Happy House 5th Annual Texas Hold'em Tournament and Party April 24th, 2010

Join host, Nancy Cartwright, for the 5th annual Happy House Texas Hold'em Party to raise funds for Happy House!

The event will be at Nancy's house.

April 24th, Saturday from 1-6
Poker sign-in at noon

Outdoor BBQ

children welcome

$60 to play, $15 dollars to attend, $10 Re-Buys!

Children under 12 are free.

Call 818.882.7483 or visit www.HappyHouse.Org

501c3 tax exempt number 20-4367250
© Happy House all rights reserved.

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Scientology will doubtlessly insinuate itself into this community center, with their tutoring and "literacy" programs, drug-education and crime-prevention programs, Way to Happiness campaigns and Youth for Human Rights activities.

Nancy News Vol 14 Issue 3 wrote:
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A Homecoming!

On September 19 and 20th Nancy had the honor of performing at her Alma Mater, Kettering-Fairmont High School in Kettering, OH. Returning to the theatre that gave her a start, director Ross Taylor cast six highly-gifted young actors to perform with Nancy, with narration by local television celebrity and anchorman for FOX 45, Pete Scalia.

The show, which benefited the local literacy group, Project Read, was a staged reading of the pulp-fiction era short story, If I Were You, by L. Ron Hubbard. Complete with background and cue-specific sound effects, the polished performance brought to life words from the age of popular fiction in America, circa 1930.

The young actors, who delivered a truly professional quality performance, included Kevin Erman as the evil Professor; Caroline Grogan as Tom's loyal Maize Little; Jay Kain as the arrogant ringmaster, Mr. Schmidt; Allie Dyer as the lascivious circus owner, Mrs. Johnson; Katherine Ygbuhay as the trapped Betty the Trapeze Artist; and Tim Green as the courageous lion tamer, Jerry Gordon.

An experience like this is not easy to top but the biggest highlight of her journey back home was not on the stage but on the playing field. Nancy was invited by the Fairmont Firebirds marching band to "dot the I" in the pre-game Homecoming festivities. Following the run on to the field to a standing ovation from her hometown crowd, Nancy remarked. "I was in band in high school and even though I was squad leader my senior year and got us into so much trouble, nothing quite compares to "dotting the I" when you are into your 6th decade of life! What a hoot!"

PALS Youth Center Open for Business

On Sunday, October 25, a dream became reality with the opening of the Greig Smith LAPD Devonshire Youth Center in Northridge. The much awaited 5,500 square foot facility was introduced to the community by PALS President Lorraine New, Councilman Greig Smith, LAPD Deputy Chief Michael Moore, campaign co-chair Greg Baker, North Valley Honorary Mayor Nancy Cartwright and other local dignitaries and officials.

LAPD Devonshire PALS (Police Activities League Supporters) has spent five years raising the necessary funds to build a center dedicated to the community's youth. Mayor Villaraigosa donated $1 million on behalf of the city; Nancy Cartwright's annual Monte Carlo nights helped to raise funds as well as donations from the community's businesses and individuals that helped to complete the project.

Instead of operating out of one room as they have been doing, PALS can now accommodate hundreds of young people monthly. Kids of all ages can take advantage of and enjoy after-school programs from sports to computer training, reading, tutoring, arts and numerous other activities.

The center has already been the site for local youth to enjoy Halloween and it will serve as a hub for educational, entertaining and fun activities for the children of the region, providing a safe and productive haven after school and on weekends and holidays. For more information, visit www.devonshire-pals.org.


The Nancy News Volume 14, Issue 3, (2009, November).


Los Angeles Police Department Devonshire PALS (Police Activities League Supporters) wrote:
Our poker tournament is now sold out. If you still want to play, we will be taking alternates. Please buy a ticket to attend the party and add your name to the wait list at the door. We will get you into the tournament on a first come first serve basis. We will also be having sit and go tournaments and heads up matches for great prizes as the tournament winds down.

Click here to purchase party tickets now!

SFV Honorary Mayor, Nancy Cartwright,
“The Voice of Bart Simpson”, and 2006 World Series of Poker Main Event Winner and Poker Committee Chairman, Jamie Gold, invite you to a night of entertainment under the stars at Nancy’s home in Northridge, CA

Saturday, October 3rd, 2009
Doors Open at 4:30 pm

Hosting Committee:
Kirstie Alley,
Anne Archer,
Catherine Bell,
Patrick Cassidy,
Bryan Cranston,
Micky Dolenz,
Brad Garrett,
Camryn Manheim,
Kelly Preston,
Sinbad,
Stefanie Schaeffer,
Michelle Stafford,
John Travolta,

Honorary Hosting Chairpersons:
Shelly Preston
Congressman Brad Sherman
Councilman Greig Smith,
Assemblyman Cameron Smythe

Poker Hosting Committee Chairman:
Jamie Gold (WSOP 2006 Main Event Winner)

Poker Hosting Committee:
Pam Brunson – 1st Place Legends of Poker
Todd Brunson - WSOP Bracelet Winner
Barbara Enright – WSOP Bracelet Winner
Sammy Farha - WSOP Bracelet Winner
Jennifer Harman - WSOP Bracelet Winner
Susie Isaacs - WSOP Bracelet Winner
Kenna James – Multi-Tournament Winner
Mary Jones - WSOP 2006 Ladies Event Winner
Men "The Master" Nguyen – WSOP Multi-Bracelet Winner
Van Nguyen – 1st WPT Celebrity Invite
Marco Traniello – Multi-Tournament Winner
Marsha Waggoner – Multi-Tournament Winner
Jerry Yang - WSOP 2007 Main Event Winner

Entertainment:
The MC Tom Kenny
Country/Western Music with the Cody Bryant Band
Line Dancing, Trick Roping, Magic by Mickey Silver
Special Guest Artists Nathan Osmond & Dee Dee O’Malley

Play in our Main Event:
A Texas Hold ‘Em No Limit Poker Tournament
With some of your favorite Celebs & Poker Pros
5 pm – Poker Boot Camp led by WSOP 2006 Ladies Tournament Winner Mary Jones
6 pm – Poker Tournament promptly begins
$250 includes: the Party & buy-in per seat to play with the pros in the Poker Tourney
(Seating Limited, Reservations Strongly Recommended)
$125 Party entry fee includes: Open Bar, Gourmet BBQ Dinner & Desserts, Cigar Bar, Martini and Margarita Bars

Top Tourney Prizes & Auction Items Include:
Five Seats in a WSOP Satellite Tourney!
A day on the set of several top TV Shows including:
The Simpsons - Castle - American Idol – So You Think You Can Dance
Cels from The Simpsons, signed scripts and memorabilia, sports memorabilia,
spa packages, jewelry, fine art and more!
Monte Carlo Night Sponsors


Bringing youth a brighter tomorrow (n.d.). devonshire-pals.com. Retrieved on 10 April 2010 from http://www.devonshire-pals.org/Monte-Carlo-Night.html


See also: PALS ORGANIZATIONAL CHART 2009

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There's always room for argumentation, Caroline, but no matter how one would try to spin it, the facts as always will speak volumes. Thanks you so very much for tracking this issue and putting forth the evidence. That's right, it is evidence and as they say on my favorite News channel, Fare and Balanced, let the People Decide.

I can't tell you how much GOOD you are doing by simply presenting the facts. Thank you so much for being the clearing-house on this stuff. So long as you have the actual evidence to present, and if it speaks one way... only a good lawyer will attempt to spin it otherwise.

Much admiration and love to you.

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OMG, No! No! NOOOOOO!!!! That is so WRONG!!!!!

Someone, please! OSA, someone, ANYONE, with any contact to Nancy Cartwright, please have her refrain from saying the following together:

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MARK YOUR CALENDARS

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• November 21 st - The Second Annual Children's Day at Woodley .

Join Us for Children's Day


Emphasis mine.

Nonce is a slang word meaning CHILD MOLESTER.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonce_(slang)

Please, for the love of God, or Hubbard, or whoever, please get her to find a new nickname. It may be simply a shortening of her name, but a woman who plays a ten-year-old boy on a cartoon -- if she's indeed referring to herself as Nonce like it reads to me, she's gotta stop.

(NOTE: I'm NOT saying at all that I believe she would be guilty of doing anything horrible to any child, I don't believe she would at all. It's just that if she's using that as a nickname, it looks bad and even though she's on the opposite side of the Scientology fence as me, I don't want her to look bad. Not like that!)

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OMG, No! No! NOOOOOO!!!! That is so WRONG!!!!!

Someone, please! OSA, someone, ANYONE, with any contact to Nancy Cartwright, please have her refrain from saying the following together:

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For the Nonce, Nancy

MARK YOUR CALENDARS

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• November 21 st - The Second Annual Children's Day at Woodley .

Join Us for Children's Day


Emphasis mine.

Nonce is a slang word meaning CHILD MOLESTER.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonce_(slang)

Please, for the love of God, or Hubbard, or whoever, please get her to find a new nickname. It may be simply a shortening of her name, but a woman who plays a ten-year-old boy on a cartoon -- if she's indeed referring to herself as Nonce like it reads to me, she's gotta stop.

(NOTE: I'm NOT saying at all that I believe she would be guilty of doing anything horrible to any child, I don't believe she would at all. It's just that if she's using that as a nickname, it looks bad and even though she's on the opposite side of the Scientology fence as me, I don't want her to look bad. Not like that!)



You can calm down a bit. "For the nonce" also means something else.

I found this from a web search:
"for the nonce"—to meet a need that is not expected to recur.

This is from my Encarta dictionary.

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nonce (superscript 1) the present time (archaic)
for the nonce 1 for the present occasion 2 for the time being

nonce (superscript 2) a committer of a sexual offence against a child


I knew about the phrase, "for the nonce" but I was not aware until just now that the slang meaning existed.

I think Nancy's intent was to be alliterative and different with her sign off phrase and that she is not aware of the slang connotation attached to that word. Perhaps, "See you there" or "later dudes" would have been better choices.

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Anne Archer, one of Scientology's biggest role models, weighed in a few years ago on her auditing and training, the SP doctrine and on being a mother to a professional liar and victimizer.

Celebrity Interview with Anne Archer wrote:
Anne has been a Scientologist for over 20 years. As an actress she has attained a level of recognition for her work that few actors ever achieve. She was honored with Academy Award and Golden Globe nominations for her role as Beth Gallagher, opposite Michael Douglas in Fatal Attraction and she was presented with a Golden Globe for her performance in Robert Altman's Short Cuts.

She has starred in a host of motion pictures opposite some of Hollywood's most dynamic and glamorous leading men. One of her roles most beloved by audiences around the world is that of Dr. Cathy Ryan, which she originated in Patriot Games. She reprised that role opposite Harrison Ford in Clear and Present Danger, based on another of Tom Clancy's best-selling novels.

This summer you will see her starring in two new feature films; "The Art of War" with Wesley Snipes and "Rules of Engagement," a William Friedkin production with Tommy Lee Jones, Samuel Jackson and Ben Kingsley.

This month, Anne talks to CELEBRITY about how Scientology training is helping her as an actress and in life.

Celebrity: What were your first experiences with Scientology training?

Anne: The first course I ever took 20 years ago was the Personal Integrity Course and I absolutely loved it. It dealt with the Code of Honor, and my own tone level came up just from doing that first basic course. There used to be things I was only doing because I thought I was supposed to, and it wasn't until I understood that I was really compromising my own reality that I was able to change. For instance, I used to let other people sway me, even though I somehow knew that this was not necessarily right. After becoming familiar with such basic concepts as "Never compromise with your own reality" and "Never permit your affinity to be alloyed," I realized that my way of handling others wasn't a question of being nice and being cooperative, but that I was actually compromising my own personal integrity, and this was not a good thing for me. Spotting that was a great cognition that allowed me to change in many ways.

The Code of Honor also says "Your integrity to yourself is more important than your body." I started thinking about life and circumstances and what my level of confront would have to be to stand up to that code. At first I thought "Oh, I would never be able to do that, I'd be too afraid." But I lived with that thought from the Code of Honor over the next year and as time went on, my understanding and ability to confront something because it was the right thing to do became very real to me. It also brought my tone level up and of course the higher toned you are, the higher confront you have. Needless to say, that course was a very big deal for me.

Celebrity: What course are you currently on?

Anne: I am on the Golden Age of Tech PTS/SP Course. I felt that it was really vital for me to know the Tone Scale perfectly and be able to handle people, as well as PTSness and suppression. Being an entertainer in the film industry, it is information that I use on a daily basis. I mean, I have to have it and I have to know it cold.

So on this course, you drill the Tone Scale using the Golden Age of Tech drills until you know it verbatim, from top to bottom. There are some 60 tone levels and there is a lot to know about them. It took me a while to get them all down and I immediately saw the advantage of it when I went out and did the course practical. I had to talk to people and spot their tone level. I knew the Tone Scale so well by that point, I could easily spot them. I realized that unless you know all of the tone levels, you don't think of those that are slightly above or below the major tones we usually talk about. So if the person expresses some of those not commonly talked about emotions, it is hard to spot them unless you know the Tone Scale cold.

I am also having a lot of case gain doing the PTS/SP Course. And now, looking back at my earlier courses in Scientology, I can see this was also true on the Personal Integrity Course (I just didn't know it was case gain at the time). It's become very apparent to me that my tone level goes up when I am on course. I feel more at cause, I feel stronger, I can confront life. There is also doingness on a course, as opposed to auditing where you are looking, looking, looking and cogniting. In auditing you are definitely getting better without question. But there is a point where the thetan has to have certainty over what he now knows to be able to apply the tech to his life and thus be cause over life. And that is exactly what training does.

Celebrity: What specific experiences have you had on your training with the Golden Age of Tech?

Anne: While I was on OT II before the Golden Age of Tech, I had done the theory part, the preparation to be able to do OT II, and then had to go away on a filming project. I knew the theory at that time but didn't feel like I owned it and was nervous about being able to audit it well. When I came back to do OT II, the Golden Age of Tech had just come out. So there were now drills to do specifically for OT II. I did those drills and then, when I went to audit the level, I found it was just a piece of cake. I wasn't the least bit nervous about auditing myself. I absolutely had my tools and I knew them cold. I didn't even have to think about them, I simply knew them. And it was the same thing on OT III. You have to know your tools. The Golden Age of Tech drills have really changed the auditing experience for everyone.

Celebrity: What changes in your acting career have you had as a result of Scientology?

Anne: The training I have done has made me more at cause over the creative environment that I live in. I am able to handle people better and to handle PTSness in other people better. I can spot suppressiveness almost before I get in the room. I knew for the first time that I wasn't crazy.

I remember the first time I did the PTS/SP Course, I had such a sense of relief. There were just other things going on that I needed to handle. I needed to recognize PTSness in other people, and I needed to recognize suppression and handle it as a Scientologist. I simply needed to apply the PTS/SP Tech.

And that knowledge alone gave me a great sense of peace, because I knew that it wasn't that I was having trouble. I wasn't insecure, I wasn't "not good at this" and "not good at that," but I was actually coming under some suppression and that was causing the problem. So it gave me a lot of strength and I have never lost that. I have never gone PTS to people since.

Celebrity: What LRH data has been most helpful in your acting and as an actress?

Anne: Well, amusingly enough, the LRH quote "Speed of particle flow alone determines power." This could apply to anything, but it has meant a lot to me as an actress. Because when you are on a roll and things are going well, it is not the time to sit back and say "I have made it." When you want to move your career along, you need to have a lot of discipline, a lot of dedication and work very hard at it to really make it happen. The speed of particle flow will move you into power. If you are lazy about it, it is very hard to do.

Some of these things we quote often have actually meant the most to me. Like "Never regret yesterday. Life is in you today, and you make your tomorrow." It would appear that for actors and artists who wait to be chosen, a good percentage of the time there is rejection involved, the work you don't get, etc. If you find yourself looking back at what you didn't get or what didn't happen, it will just pull your case in on you and keep you from moving forward. You have to understand that every day life is in you. Every day is a new day and you are cause. You can make your tomorrow. I think it is a good thing for artists to remind themselves of that all the time, and not look back and regret what did or didn't happen.

Another one is "Be able to experience anything" and "Cause only those things which others are able to experience easily." In dealing with people on a set or in an audition or meeting, I am willing to have them be the way they are, and then in my own way of handling them, I try to cause only those things which they can have easily. That is what bigness of character is all about. The bigger you are as a being, the more power you have and the more you can hold your position in whatever your field is. I try to be as big a being as I can. With the amount of bank that is often thrown in our laps in the entertainment business, you have to be a very big being in order to handle it. Sometimes you deal with very talented people who are very aberrated, and if you can see their beingness, in other words, you can really love them, experience them and cause only those things which they can have easily, you in turn can have a very powerful influence on them. You can really bring them up the Tone Scale and help their lives.

Celebrity: What has Scientology training done for you as a wife and a mother?

Anne: Understanding the Second Dynamic and applying the tech on the Second Dynamic is essential to the survival of any marriage, any family, and to assuring any happiness. This is essential because the Second Dynamic is probably the most aberrated of all of the dynamics, and you don't have great role models out there.

But it is an easy thing to make work if you understand what makes up the Second Dynamic and if you use Scientology Tech, such as good communication skills, not committing overts and keeping the ARC very high. Our marriage works on a daily basis, and always will. Terry and I have kept our slate very clean with each other. We keep the ARC up very high. We are also at the same place on The Bridge and so our realities are similar. Our affinity for each other is very high and we communicate about absolutely everything. We have also done that with both of our sons Tom and Jeffrey. So it is actually very easy. If you just use the tech, it gets to be a no-brainer.

Probably the easiest thing I do in my life is take care of my Second Dynamic. Because if you just apply that basic tech to it, it does very well. We have no problems. The dynamic that is the most troublesome to the rest of the planet happens to be the least troublesome to most Scientologists.

Celebrity: Why would you personally recommend that someone get trained?

Anne: Auditing is fantastic and it is 100% necessary to clean up and clear the planet. We need it to handle the reactive mind and to do all the things that we know auditing does. All the miracles and wonderful gains from auditing are not to be made less of in any way.

But I do have to say that the stability and certainty that you gain from training is without question of equal importance. In a way for me it is even more important, because what I need is certainty and applicability. Training actually enables you to stay uptone easily and comfortably and to be more cause over your life.

Auditing gets rid of case, training puts you at cause. And what I have learned over the years is, with all the auditing I have had, if I didn't get trained, I was still vulnerable to being affected by things.

Celebrity: Is there anything else you want to say?

Anne: There was one thing: I think I had a back-off on training earlier on because it felt like work, you know, it probably reminded me of school. You have to sit in a course room and you have to do this hard work and all that. But what I actually learned is that it is just the opposite. Every time I am on course, my whole day is more uptone. I am a happier person to be around. And the experience of being on course is like an auditing experience for me, I get very keyed-out. I am much more joyful. I also notice my IQ increases from being on course. I remember things better, I am much sharper and quicker because I am using the study tech and am clearing words.

And on a daily basis if you are not building up MUs, you brighten up. Your mind, your personality lightens, everything is brighter, and so what seemed like work actually turned out to be like going on vacation!
It gets to be tremendously freeing. So when I am on course I feel like I am getting to do something that is really fun.


Celebrity Interview - Anne Archer, (2000). Celebrity 325, 14-20.


Thanks, SRF. :D And I'd like to again thank Mark Plummer and everyone who helps make Scientology's materials available.

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Caroline,

You are welcome.

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There’s a plague, a pall, an ill fog. Such is life and such is history. In my opinion the good win even though they say the victors write history. Good will’s out in the long run, by nature. There can be a long up-and-down period, but in the end… that is when the evil falls… the good will eventually triumph and heal the wounds.

Scientology is a plague, a pall, an ill fog. It’s sewage not bath water as so many have said… quite articulately I might add. It’s a machine which grinds souls; the fodder of such grinding rarely makes it out of the mechanized gear-works… the machine… the shredder of humanity in its many forms.

Let’s face it, there will never be an end to this, but the effects of scientology can be… and they are… marginalized.

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Who knows what the future will bring with blogs, Internet, etc. There will always be an element
of society who will buy in to this stuff… that’s a given. Your work, and all of us who contribute in our spoken words, can only serve to keep it all to a minimum.

Good for you, good for me, and good for all of us. We do what we can, and the argument and the facts are out there.

Stevie Ray Fan… particularly lately. <smile>

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Hubbard spoke and wrote quite a bit about child psychology, especially in the early days of Dianetics. His "case histories" sometimes seem quite personal and subjective. In this lecture he describes the psychology of a troubled child, and of a puppy who comes to learn that things are dangerous.

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:
If we look at it this way we can see something happening: we see that theta is limited, and it gets more and more limited, and by the time a child reaches the ripe old age of three, he is really limited. He has been handled, manhandled, moved, shoved; his time has been adjusted for him, on and on and on, up to a point where the self-determinism is less and less. Furthermore, his self-determinism is reduced to the extent that he can’t handle the organism, much less the environment. Then other parts of the environment keep walking in on this individual, so he gets cut back further and further, compared to what he should be. Finally he gets far enough down the tone scale—at least to a point where he gets a bit egocentric—to believe that he is not in unison with the rest of the organisms and men and so forth, and he has a tendency to get compartmented as an individual.

If you have watched a puppy dog over six or seven months you have seen this; it is very interesting. The first time you saw this dog he came up panting and happy and friendly, and you petted him. Six months later he comes up and you look at the dog and he growls at you. That is what happens to an organism. He has been taught that things are dangerous here and there.


Hubbard, L. R. (1951, 23 July). Basic Processing. Professional Course, (5107C23). Lecture conducted from Wichita, Kansas.

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Here's Hubbard bragging about what he and his mother did to their family dog.

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:
Pavlov talks about making a dog insane. I'd like to shake the paw of a dog the techniques contained in his book would make insane. These learned experiments by which we reduce a circle to a square and reduce a square to a circle while ringing gongs and dah-dah bells and feeding the dog and beating the dog—oh, bah.

I had a malamute once, he was a tough dog. The only way he could accept an acknowledgment was if you took a stick of firewood and hit him between the ears. My mother, who is a very little person, very small person, used to take a stick or a chain to this malamute and just used to beat him and beat him and beat him to make him stop chasing cows. And the dog would say, "Hahh-hahh-hahh-hahh-hahh-hahh." He'd say, "I love you too!"

I used to come home after an absence. This dog was very ferocious. He was half malamute, half spitzbergen, very tough dog. He only knew one thing: when you put him on a leash and he felt that harness against his chest, he'd pull! And you went whether you wanted to or not. And he used to come—he'd see me coming up toward the house and he would rush out of the gate. I'd been gone for a month or two or three. And he would rush out of the gate with every fang bared. And I'd wait until he got there and I'd pick up the loose skin on both sides of his jowls and use his momentum and throw him about that far. And he would go over there about 25 feet and he would land, see. And he'd get up and he'd say, "Oh, it's you, Ron. How are you?" That dog was half Russian! And Pavlov said that denying him a little food would drive him crazy.


Hubbard, L. R. (1956, 2 September). The Effectiveness of Brainwashing. Games Congress Lectures, (5609C02). Lecture conducted from Washington, DC.

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Commands: Part l “Tell me a lie”.


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