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I agree with Don Carlo on this one, Sponge. My suggestion is just
change it---as it will be used for their advantage---against us, and also
it grossed me out---without reading what DC said.

Ya gotta remember both sides on this issue, for many reasons. And that
holds true often. Comedy is just about the only
thing where "anything is Ok". Even there, some things aren't--and I think that's one of them. :?: My 2 cents.

Love ya Sponge---never stop doing what you're doing-and always be
open to other's opinions. It's up to you to decide if there's any value to it, or not. There may not be--in which case, oh well. :alien:

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I took Sponge's "black face Miscavige" as a satire on Scientology's racism. Miscavige fronts for an organization whose guru (Hubbard) wrote and said some openly racist things about blacks, not all of which have been excised from the doctrine. Now Miscavige wants to come across as a "brother," so he "puts on a black face," but it's the false face of racial bigotry. Wikipedia has an interesting article about "black face" and notes its contemporary use as satire.


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I took Sponge's "black face Miscavige" as a satire on Scientology's racism. Miscavige fronts for an organization whose guru (Hubbard) wrote and said some openly racist things about blacks, not all of which have been excised from the doctrine. Now Miscavige wants to come across as a "brother," so he "puts on a black face," but it's the false face of racial bigotry. Wikipedia has an interesting article about "black face" and notes its contemporary use as satire.


I think Sponge is really funny, he/she makes me laugh alot. I'm not and never have been very good with satire/black comedy. It's just some things in life are not funny, no matter how you try to find humour in whatever the subject.

For arguements sake, I can picture DM as the devil, no problem with that at all. I can picture LRH as the devil and believe me I can actually see him as the devil. He was not a very nice man, at all

Now, treading on dangerous ground here. I have always held a strong belief, that no matter what your colour of skin, you should have the same rights as any other human being. It's under the skin that makes the difference.

You have good and bad in any combination of skin colour. No one should be thought different of because of skin colour.

However, there are times when I have felt ashamed to be white, because of how in the past, and even in the present some people treat other peoples purely because of the colour of their skin.

That is a whole different ball game to religion or lack there of, or of different cultures.

I understand what Sponge has done here, but I am not sure it is the right thing to do.

Having said that, it has come to my attention, that now more and more white people have become aware of what scientology is all about, it appears that scientology is now focussing largely on the black community.

Do I find that sick, you're damned right I do as LRH was a rascist, he didn't care who he took money from and he did not care who he hurt in the process. Black or white, or any shade in between.

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So all day (since I started following this story) I've been trying to figure out how a man who says the white man (and the Jew) is a demon who cannot be trusted, created by an ancient mad scientist, is now requiring those most firmly under his power to engage in a course of mind control instruction created by a (ginger) white man who is documented unquestionably as being a racist who thought the prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was a con-man and "small town booster."

So here are some (very speculative) possibilities for why Louis Farrakhan, the National Representative of the Nation of Islam, is effectively turning every NoI mosque into a Scientology Mission and forcing EVERY SINGLE NATION OF ISLAM OFFICIAL to receive Dianetics processing.

On a lark Louis Farrakhan did some Book One auditing or TRs (Training Routines), perhaps at a party, and had an ecstatic experience. Seeking to follow this, he was routed by a Scientologist friend into the Scientology Celebrity Center, where he was treated like a king and became a true believer, and firmly believing that once the Nation of Islam is Clear (Dianetics, Scientology Ethics and Scientology Admin Tech applied to the org(anization) and the individuals under its control, the Nation can’t help but achieve its goals, decided to bring his flock along with him.

On a lark Louis Farrakhan did some Book One auditing or TRs (Training Routines), perhaps at a party, and had an ecstatic experience. Seeking to follow this, he was routed by a Scientologist friend into the Scientology Celebrity Center, where he was treated like a king and became a true believer, and firmly believing that because he’s now an FSM and will receive a commission from the fees everyone he recruits will have to pay (or which will be paid for out of Nation of Islam coffers?) he should bring his flock along with him.

He is deathly ill, and doctors have told him there is nothing they can do. Church of Scientology members have told him “Scientology can handle that!” (see http://www.chefxenu.net/Home/broken-promises for a list of those promises). They put him on the Purification Rundown and TRs (Training Routines), and when he has a breakthrough religious experience because of the stresses being put on his body and mind, they convince him to push it on his flock.

One or more former Nation of Islam members joined the Church of Scientology. In auditing sessions or Sec Checks (Security Checks), one or more of these individuals revealed a dark secret about Louis Farrakhan or someone he cares deeply about. This was immediately routed uplines to David Miscavige, who told OSA (Scientology’s Office of Special Affairs, the new Guardians Office) to work with the CC (Celebrity Center) to use the info for big wins.

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Here's my video on this, and key links in the comments--thanks to each of
you for posting some of them!
Please pass it on----videos people watch way more than they read these days. That's from feedback I've gotten from *tons* of people. Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKWOb4Gjg8Y :alien:

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What "saint" Hubbard had to say:

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Hubbard on the Lodestone

"..finds this enormous stone hanging suspended in the middle of a room. This is an incident called the Emanator by the way. ...and this thing is by the way the source of the Mohammedan Lodestone that they have hanging down there,..."


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Hubbard on Mohammed

"...that, eh, when Mohammed decided to be a good small-town booster in ah Kansas, Middle-East, or something of the sort."


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Hubbard on Mohammed's Motives

"By the way, the only reason he mocked that thing up, is the trade wasn't good in his hometown. That's right. You read the life of Mohammed."



And more about Islam:
http://www.ezlink.com/~perry/CoS/Theology/islam.htm

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What are "Laborers" in the Nation of Islam according to the most high holy Mister Farakhan?

Student Laborer's Registration Form (proxy up-NoI Web site)

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Last 3 questions on NoI (Nation of Islam) form

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1) Are you one of 150 student laborers currently on the Dianetics auditors course?
2)Have you completed and submitted the OCA Personality Test?
3)Have you purchased or aquired the Dianetics book?


Student Laborers' Meeting

150 already on Dianetics auditors course
OCA is Oxford Capacity Analysis (OCA) (same test as Scientology's stress test) purchasing Dianetics Book

Oxford Capacity Analysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


More links here: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/325-mark ... -71002/12/

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What are "Laborers" in the Nation of Islam according to the most high holy Mister Farakhan?

Student Laborer's Registration Form (proxy up-NoI Web site)

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Last 3 questions on NoI (Nation of Islam) form

Quote:
1) Are you one of 150 student laborers currently on the Dianetics auditors course?
2)Have you completed and submitted the OCA Personality Test?
3)Have you purchased or aquired the Dianetics book?


Student Laborers' Meeting

150 already on Dianetics auditors course
OCA is Oxford Capacity Analysis (OCA) (same test as Scientology's stress test) purchasing Dianetics Book

Oxford Capacity Analysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


More links here: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/325-mark ... -71002/12/


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Farakhans "Nation of Islam" has absolutely nothing to do with the ancient religion of Islam.

Look Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam

Peter Schilte wrote:
What "saint" Hubbard had to say:

Quote:
Hubbard on the Lodestone

"..finds this enormous stone hanging suspended in the middle of a room. This is an incident called the Emanator by the way. ...and this thing is by the way the source of the Mohammedan Lodestone that they have hanging down there,..."


Quote:
Hubbard on Mohammed

"...that, eh, when Mohammed decided to be a good small-town booster in ah Kansas, Middle-East, or something of the sort."


Quote:
Hubbard on Mohammed's Motives

"By the way, the only reason he mocked that thing up, is the trade wasn't good in his hometown. That's right. You read the life of Mohammed."



And more about Islam:
http://www.ezlink.com/~perry/CoS/Theology/islam.htm

Peter

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The Oxford Capacity Analysis was created by white Scientologists to manipulate people into believing they need Scientology's help. CoS never tells anyone, "Your OCA shows that you do not need Scientology's help." No, instead the OCA is just a scare tactic to convince people that they need to pay for expensive and unnecessary Scientology services.

Why is Minister Farrakhan making NOI members submit to psychological tests created by a white Scientologist?

Scientology is racist group. A quick look at Solitary Trees website presents the facts: http://www.solitarytrees.info/racism/racism.htm

Wikipedia says of the OCA:
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The Oxford Capacity Analysis (OCA), also known as the American Personality Analysis, is a personality test that is given for free by the Church of Scientology. The OCA test is offered by the Church of Scientology online, at its local churches, and sometimes at local fairs, carnivals, and in other public settings. It has no relation to the University of Oxford, although the name may have been chosen to imply so.[1][2]

The test is an important part of Scientology recruitment and is used worldwide by the Church of Scientology to attract new members. However, it has attracted criticism from psychologists, who point out that it is "not a genuine personality test"[3] and allege that Scientologists use it in a "highly manipulative"[4] and "manifestly unethical" fashion.[5]
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ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Capacity_Analysis

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If 150 NOI members out of 50,000 have done the OCA, it suggests that perhaps Minister Farrakhan's inner circle is doing it to placate him. Scientology and Islam do not mix. Islam is pure Monotheism and Scientology is Satanic. No Muslim should ever do Scientology. Scientology practices idolatry as is seen in all of the bronze busts of Hubbard in the Orgs. The Qur'an and the Bible both forbid idolatry or bowing down to idols. Scientology worships money and engages in occult practices.

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Here is a tiny bit of what the racist conman Lafayette Ronald Hubbard said about black people:

http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/deny.htm

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Hubbard has few reservations in supporting the apartheid government and, in fact, calls Hendrick Verwoerd a "great guy". He suggests ways that the Church could serve the apartheid agenda, for instance, using e-meters to interrogate suspects and to uncover agent provacateurs. "Clean them up and the riots collapse." In Hubbard's world, the deplorable conditions of non-white citizens did not give rise to the protests, instead, it was outside agitators (usually Communists) who were to blame — a view in alignment with the government's.

Hubbard sees indigenous people as carefree "natives" dancing in the jungle, or agitators trying to overthrow the colonial government because they haven't been properly primed for civilization.

"Illiterate cultures do not survive and they are not very high. The natives of the tribe of the Bugga Bugga Booga Boogas down in Lower Bugga Wugga Booga Woog are mostly no longer with us, or they are around waving red flags today and revolting against their central government.
And they didn't learn fast. Their literacy was not up to absorbing culture rapidly.
They've been very happily down amongst the bong-bong trees, you know, dancing up and down amongst the bong-bong trees, and the highest level of their interest and so forth was their own back yard."

–L. Ron Hubbard, The Study Tapes, "Study: Evaluation and Information", lecture given on 11 August 1964




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Hubbard invokes the "N-word":

You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself a nigger; that's what they're born for.

–L. Ron Hubbard, in a letter to first wife, Polly Grubb



Hubbard describes the spiritual state of blacks:


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Actually, have you ever noticed how a Negro, in particular down south, where they're pretty close to the soil, personifies MEST? The gatepost and the wagon and the whip and anything around there—a hat. They talk to them, you know. "What'sa mattuh wi' you hat?" They imbue them with personality. "

–L. Ron Hubbard, Therapy section of Technique 80 ("Route to Infinity" tapes), Part I, a lecture given on 21 May 1952


Please watch this; Hubbard in his own words spewing racist hatred:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iy0HMrRcYs

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Ladybird wrote:
Farakhans "Nation of Islam" has absolutely nothing to do with the ancient religion of Islam.

Look Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam

Peter Schilte wrote:
What "saint" Hubbard had to say:

Quote:
Hubbard on the Lodestone

"..finds this enormous stone hanging suspended in the middle of a room. This is an incident called the Emanator by the way. ...and this thing is by the way the source of the Mohammedan Lodestone that they have hanging down there,..."


Quote:
Hubbard on Mohammed

"...that, eh, when Mohammed decided to be a good small-town booster in ah Kansas, Middle-East, or something of the sort."


Quote:
Hubbard on Mohammed's Motives

"By the way, the only reason he mocked that thing up, is the trade wasn't good in his hometown. That's right. You read the life of Mohammed."



And more about Islam:
http://www.ezlink.com/~perry/CoS/Theology/islam.htm

Peter


Oops! :oops:

Seems he isn't very well known on my side of the pond. :)

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Scientology's Oxford Capacity Analysis (OCA) personality test has nothing to do with Oxford, capacity, analysis or personality.
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I asked over on esmb if anyone knew how many had actually signed up
on Tuesday night, and here's what I got:

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Last I saw, (wed) there were 150 signups. Also, the two or three day schedule, for dianetic seminar (I'm guessing Book I type stuff). Oh, and "students" had to buy their own Dianetic materials, book/DVD. Wonder what % commission and who got the commission.


150? THAT IS **PATHETIC!~**
Louis stated "ALL" would have to sign up, "Tuesday night" or
"We'll have to say good-bye". :roll:

That's one Hell of a lot of Good-byes!~ :alien:

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PS: As I said before, and you have too, in many diff words,
this *is* a disaster in the making. For any of the NOI who may read this, here's my 30 year advice:
RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN, WHILE YOU CAN. Grab your wallets AND your families and GET THE HELL AWAY--FAR AWAY-From Any and ALL members of C of $.

And No, there is no "We're just with Dianetics" pal.
ALL of it IS under the umbrella of the Godless, "Mafia-Like" "church" of $cientology.

My best to all,

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