It is interesting that as people investigate Heinlein's documents, evidence is being found which supports the claims of Gerry Armstrong as to the legitimacy of LRH's Affirmations. I haven't been following ARS lately, but it will be entertaining to see how roadrunner dances around the new evidence.

Seriously though, I love this thread, and want to thank everyone who is sharing their finds here.

Roadrunner is posting on ARS? That ought to be good!

The Heinlein archives and William H. Patterson Jr.'s biography Robert A. Heinlein In Dialogue with His Century provide a wealth of information about several people who were significant in Hubbard's life during the development of Dianetics/Scientology.

Patterson devotes a chapter to Leslyn MacDonald Heinlein, Robert's second wife, whom he "stole" in early 1932 from Annapolis classmate and "best friend" Cal Laning. Leslyn practiced "white witchcraft," including "warding" their "distant friends" (E.g. Ted Sturgeon who wrote to the Heinleins from London on 2 April 1946, asking Leslyn to continue her "White Magic" on him. Heinlein archives: CORR220-2.) Leslyn apparently used another color on a certain "Swanson" who annoyed her once and "a couple years later he was dead-as-dead." (Patterson 2010, p. 343).

That reminded me of the type of thing Hubbard would say of people he claimed had wronged him.

According to Patterson's Robert A. Heinlein In Dialog With His Century, Hubbard and Jack Parsons met in April 1945, at Heinlein's suggestion. (pp. 339, 345).

Patterson wrote that Heinlein and Parsons met through their mutual interest in rocketry, apparently following a November 1939 LA Times article about Parsons, Frank Molina and Ed Forman, shortly after Parsons had a paper on powder rocket fuels published in Astronautics. Both men were members of the American Rocket Society (p. 345). It's reported that Heinlein joined while aboard the USS Lexington. (Ref. History of AIAA.) According to Patterson, Heinlein reported to the USS Lexington on 23 June 1929 and received orders to transfer to the USS Roper on 20 June 1932 (pp. 110, 156).

Also, Heinlein attended a performance of the Gnostic Mass at the Parsonage, and saved the program and a paperbound copy of Crowley's Book of the Law "for future reference." (p. 374). (Wikipedia: Liber XV Gnostic Mass.) (Patterson didn't give a date.)

Soderqvist1: Where can I find this?

I'm not sure what you want to find Soderqvist1, but connections or confirmations between the Admissions and what has been found so far in the Heinlein archives include Vida Jameson, Leslyn Heinlein, probably Fern(e), but for sure Philadelphia, Princeton, the writer friend, Jack Parsons, and doubtlessly there are more.

Soderqvist1: Caroline, I misunderstood the message!
I thought that Roadrunner was already in a debate regarding Hubbard’s admissions, and I wanted a link to it. Btw we should start a project in order to verify how much did the whole court know about his affirmations, and how much of said affirmations can be verified by other sources, since both roadrunner and RJ at Marty ‘s home site doubt its authenticity, and I believe that many Loyalists do. Roadrunners name is Michel Snoeck, see photography on him here!
http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/introduction_of_site.html

Soderqvist1: and I have talked with him on the internet here in Sweden before about Hubbard’s admissions and got him to swallow at least 2-3 phrases from it as can be seen here in his tabulations about said Admissions!
http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/papers-scien ... o1-b.html#

Soderqvist1: after I have talked to him, I began to investigate further about it, and to make long story short; the parties in the court and the judge has read said affirmations, and verified its handwritings by Hubbard, both the “Course 2” and “the Book” from the admissions is read into the court record. Click on the link to the curt and read more phrases from his affirmation which at least to me has proven it beyond reasonable doubt that “affirmation 2000 by Gerry Armstrong” is part of the record.
http://www.scnforum.org/index.php?t=msg ... #msg_12272

Soderqvist1: Both “Twelve against the Gods” which was Hubbard’s favorite book!
viewtopic.php?p=368149#p368149

Soderqvist1: or a CoS friendly home site if somebody doubts it was Hubbard’s favorite book!
http://www.erbzine.com/mag23/2344.html

Soderqvist1: and Robert Vaughn Young have pieces of supporting evidence!

Twelve against the Gods by William Bolitho chapter Casanova
Page: 48: A rationale for seduction, indeed is only to be attempted by sniggering old men like Ovid, though if it were based on the wisdom and practice of this maligned Casanova it might have the result of frightening the majority of amateur woman-hunters from the chase. His love for every one of the thousand was as real as any that lead to holy matrimony; only it did not last. So he escaped both alimony and the glue years. But his women were not cheated out of their sacred due, for he gave them everything he possessed, and his whole self, in one single payment.

Page 49: How many times he unmetaphorically beggared himself for the paramour of a week, how many times at the height of his fortune he threw himself without hesitation or regret down into the gutter for a new charmer; and without any thought of bargain, this for that. Let those envy his amours who can imitate him in this; and those who can add to it his real tenderness, that never forgot the name of one of his light of loves, or how beautiful she was, the irresistible riches of the talk of the man, the prestige of his shoulders, his neck and his eyes, dare to emulate him. As for his censors, only those have the right to damn him who are quite certain the promise of life-companionship of a man however poor and tedious outweighs all Casanova gave. The prime direction of Casanova’s adventure, therefore, is the forbidden world of women. In the rise of his trajectory his will is as single as Alexander’s.

Page 51: Casanova had learnt two Latin saws, which were to be for the rest of his life his gospel and his policy: Fata viam inveniunt. Volentem ducit, nolentem trahit. As we may say: Fate finds the way, and Life leads its lover, betrays its rebel. The one handed down from stoics through Epictetus and Seneca; the second a translation by Cicero of a line in the lost tragedy of Euripides. There is no better epitome of the purest tradition of adventure, with all the comfort of fatalism without its enervating effects; no better summary of the mystical doctrine of adventure. Casanova held to them like a Calvinist to his Bible, and repeating them to himself, set out on his next adventure in good spirits.

Admissions or Affirmations by L. Ron Hubbard
LRH: You have no fear if they conceive. What if they do? You do not care. Pour it into them and let fate decide.
The slipperier they are the more you enjoy it because it means their mucous is running madly with pleasure.

LRH: I returned to sea as navigator of a large ship and was subsequently selected for the Military Government School at Princeton whither I went in 1944-45 for three months. During my Princeton sojourn I was very tired and harrassed (sp?) and spent week-ends with a writer friend in Philadelphia. He almost forced me to sleep with his wife. Meanwhile I had a affair with a woman named Ferne. Somehow, perhaps because I had constantly wet feet and no sleep at Princeton, I contracted a staphloceus infection. I mistook it for gonnhorea and until I arrived at Monterey, believed my old illness had returned. I consulted a doctor there who reassured me.
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/hubbard-ad ... -eval.html

THE HUBBARD ARCHIVES by Robert Vaughn Young
Let's start in late 1981, when I happened to acquire the archives that contained Hubbard's private papers. (These were the ones that Gerry Armstrong started.) The truly essential material came down to perhaps 15 linear feet of paper. Over the months, with nothing else to do, I had a chance to read private letters, papers and manuscripts (including the three, yes, three, versions of the infamous Excalibur, which has to be the most overblown piece of hype he EVER produced and, no, it has NOTHING to do with OT3), which also gave me the full uncensored view of this man. I read everything from love letters to (and from and about) his mistresses, his girlfriends (such as Fern, who gave him the clap, forcing him to secretly take sulfa), his private pornographic ramblings (he liked to draw penises and vaginas around the margins in red ink, which gave the page a grisly look), his black magic material, his letters to family, wives (in the early 1950s, while having mistress Barbara on the side and at the same time preaching about the dangers of illicit relationships), editors and even to himself, as journals.

There was one problem with what I read. It didn't match what we (collectively then, meaning the organization) were saying about Hubbard and what Hubbard, based on what he had say to say. When I tried to gently point this out, the Shinola hit the fan. It didn't matter that it was in Hubbard's own hand. It didn't match the story he put out so — straight out of "1984" — it didn't exist. (These documents were later confiscated and sealed away to make sure no staff see them but enough of us did — including a few still on staff (hi, guys!) — so it can be verified someday, if it comes to that. But that is another story.)
http://www.xenu-directory.net/accounts/ ... D_ARCHIVES

(Discussion re the Admissions continued on OCMB: LRH's Admissions/Affirmations)

The Heinlein archives reveal that Heinlein and Hubbard shared a relationship with Dr. Francis M. Pottenger, of the Pottenger Sanatorium and Clinic, Monrovia, California. Dr. Pottenger treated Heinlein for tuberculosis between February and May 1933. (Heinlein archives: ANNA201a-09).

Hubbard spoke of his relationship with Old Doc Pottenger in lectures, in connection with diagnosis of disease. Hubbard claimed Pottenger could diagnose tuberculosis 100% of the time just by putting his hand on people's chests. Hubbard calls the E-meter in the same Scientology scripture in which he lauds Pottenger's diagnosis tech, "a “lie detector,” completely in addition to being a diagnostic instrument." The 1971 US v. Hubbard E-Meter decision, of course, debunks this claim and requires that meters carry the following label: "The E-Meter is not medically or scientifically useful for the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease. It is not medically or scientifically capable of improving the health or bodily functions of anyone." (Wikipedia: E-Meter)

On 13 December 1945, Dr. F.M. Pottenger wrote to Heinlein apologizing for not calling, as he had lost Heinlein's address, and "not because of a lack of interest in your project." (Heinlein archives: CORR220-2)

Heinlein replied to "Father Pottenger" on 20 January 1946, and referred to an earlier discussion between Dr. Pottenger, Heinlein and "Lt. Hubbard" concerning "the project." Heinlein said he had "not intended to work on it directly," but that "Hubbard intended to do organizational and publicity work for it." Heinlein wrote that circumstances had since made it necessary for Hubbard to "give his attention to finding a job and making some money." Heinlein said that "the organization work had progressed" without either Heinlein or Hubbard's help, and had changed names from "The Federation of Atomic Scientists" to the "Federation of American Scientists." Heinlein informed Pottenger that he had been corresponding with Jerry Voorhis, (an M.C. in Washington D.C.) and was "trying to work out with him means of dramatizing atomic problems to increase the chances of rational political action." (Heinlein archives: CORR220-2)

It will be seen that Hubbard attempted to restart this campaign in 1951 with his "Allied Scientists of the World" using the personnel and communication lines of the Dianetics groups that had formed following the publication of DMSMH.

Heinlein introduced Hubbard and John Arwine, an Annapolis classmate of Heinlein who kept an apartment in New York and apparently made a living writing "true confession" stories. (Patterson, 2010). It was at John Arwine's apartment in the spring of 1940 where Heinlein gave a dinner party for John and Dona Campbell, the de Camps, Hubbard, Vida Jameson, and others. Hubbard wrote about John Arwine in All About Radiation, The Revolt of the American Nuclear Physicists.

On 28 January 1945, Heinlein wrote from Philadelphia to Lieut. John S. Arwine, c/o FS-356, Navy No. 920, FPO, San Francisco, reminding him of the "red-headed boy" at their 1940 dinner party, saying that Hubbard was now headed his way as an MG (Military Government) officer. (Wikipedia says on the "Military Career of L. Ron Hubbard," he failed to pass his School of Military Government examinations.) Heinlein told Arwine that Hubbard was "our kind of people in every possible way...and his evaluations match ours." (Heinlein archives: CORR327-02).

Jack Parsons expressed a similar confidence about Hubbard to Aleister Crowley. "Most Beloved Father, About three months ago I met Capt. L. Ron Hubbard, a writer and explorer of whom I had known for some time...He is the most thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord with our own principles. He is also interested in establishing the New Aeon..." Carter, J. (1999). Sex and Rockets The Occult World of Jack Parsons. Venice, California: Feral House.

According to Robert A. Heinlein In Dialog With His Century, Hubbard and Parsons met in April 1945.

Heinlein wrote to his long time friend and Annapolis classmate Cal Laning, on 20 (perhaps 21) November 1945, that his and Leslyn's current house guests at 8777 Lookout Mountain Avenue, Hollywood, included Henry Sang, who had been Heinlein's boss in Philadelphia, Sang's "significant other" Grace Dugan and L. Ron Hubbard. (Patterson, 2010; Heinlein archives: CORR220-1)

Heinlein said that John Arwine and Hubbard had "whipped up a plan to organize all the scientists for the purpose of channelizing some of the rational thought for this crisis" and that they had "organized CalTech already."

Heinlein implored Laning, essentially, to reconsider a negative opinion Laning had apparently formed years earlier of Arwine as a midshipman. Heinlein said Arwine had returned to the east coast and would probably soon look Laning up. Heinlein wrote assuringly that Arwine's "evaluations are almost identical" to his, although Arwine didn't occupy Laning's "unencroachably senior position in the circle of our trusted and intimate friends." Amazingly, Heinlein wrote in his supplication to Laning to trust Arwine, that Heinlein expected Arwine "to be much more effective than I could ever be."

Heinlein wrote that his intentions were to stay in California and write articles that "propagandize for what I believe is sanity, to wit, the creation of a world state to insure peace in the atomic age." (Heinlein archives: CORR220-1)

The movie - which I enjoyed (blush) has nothing to do with Heinlein's book except for some of the names of the characters.

Heinleins book is a commentary and observation on political systems. He advocated that anyone should be able to vote who had earned it. And only those who had earned it could vote. It followed the development of its main character Juan Rico. The book is awesome.

His "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" was an even better political discussion.

In Starship Troopers Heinlein's basic premise is that only those who have shown they are willing to take the responsibility for defending a society should be allowed to vote. In that case military service was the criteria because at some point in the past the veterans had stepped forward and salvaged society.

I kind of liked Nevil Shute's formula for voting from In The Wet:

1. Everyone gets one basic vote.
2. University graduates get an additional vote.
3. Military service gets an additional vote.
4. A fourth vote can be bestowed by the Queen for extraordinary service to the Crown.

I think there's a fifth vote, but it's been a while since I read the book and I can't remember what it was. It may have been property ownership; the premise being that if you own property you pay taxes.

In his Acknowledgements, Leon Stover, the author of Robert Heinlein (1987), says that the Heinleins supplied the book's appendix. I found this document interesting and worth posting here because of the occult references and the mention of "L. Ron."



Interesting too is Heinlein's clever use of 93 (93). 93 is a significant number in Thelema, meaning among other things a shorthand salutation between Thelemites. (Ref. Encyclopedia Thelemica.)

Is it possible Caroline that Robert Heinlein has ”whispered” in Hubbard’s ear something about Korzybski’ s structural differential in example; “you shall not confuse the first order of abstraction that you see a ear, with the next order of abstraction namely inference that it is likely that he has two ears, and Hubbard Jumped up from his chair and came up with the idea of Obnosis?
http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH4_3.HTM

That's an interesting observation, Peter. It also seems evident from the following lecture that Hubbard's "obnosis" relates to orders of abstraction. (That word always made me cringe a little, it is so fatuous.) Notice also Hubbard's process that gets the person repetitively labeling the auditor.



Who really needs to realize that they're sitting in front of the auditor they're paying to audit them?

Heinlein's "fair witness" in Stranger in a Strange Land dealt with the training of observations of events, so it's very likely that he and Hubbard tossed around these ideas.