One of the about half a dozen former Int Base staff, who want to write
their experiences in the future, are currently in the same predicament
that I was in.
When you route out of the Int Base or via the PAC RPF, like I did, you
really have NO initial clue about the whole anti-Scn community, and no
idea who to trust, who is an OSA accomplice, and there's an adequate
amount of paranoia to prevent you from contacting people "on the other
I waited a whole year, and moved to another city, I "safepointed" all
my relatives, briefed them that the movement might attack me back. I
did all this for months, and over a whole year, I took it slow,
building up the reality of my family, so they would not be shocked if
Scn came after me in the known ways they have harrassed their former
staff and critics in the past (again I must thank ALL who have put the
info on the internet, it historically is a powerful help, and the
dozens of good people who have put good info on it about LRH and Scn).
But still the problem, how to defect, how to leave one's Scn friends
one is in with, who to hook up with people in the anti-Scn side of
things, how not to incur the wrath of one's Scn boss, how not to offend
blatantly one's Scn friend's feelings, since to me I realized I'd be
creating a string of ARC breaks, because I know how I felt when the
great former people in the Scn movement were ousted or ejected, it is a
disappointment to see people drift out. Even if anyone remembers LRH's
voice when he discussed in the 1959 Individuation tape lecture, people
know that LRH was even, in those earlier years, emotionally sad to lose
good people. LRH even uses the word good, in describing those people,
who today, with the later rules, we know, these same people are
unfortunately labelled SPs. (To me this LRH tape, when I re-listened
to it, which I did about 20 times in my 7 years on the RPF, this tape
is proof that people are in fact good, and the SP labels are simply
labels, and the SP label is just evolved rules. People are still
blowing, and those people are still good people. And not only are the
people blowing good, I would argue that LRH to me, in that 1959
lecture, himself, was demonstrating a huge amount of compassion, which
over the years, due to his own hampering accumulating rules, his own
goodness showed itself in other ways, and he unfortunately left the Scn
movement with rules prohibiting them exhibiting compassion he himself
This to me is truly a sad longer range developement, which I think
probably is similarly true in all the weirdnesses that the movement
exhibits. My view is they will have to figure their way back out of
those rules that shut down their inate humanness.)
Anyways, back to the point. I have people contacting me, with
questions how to move out, how to get good jobs, how to find a safe
location to speak their stories which they have concluded that the
official Scn movement would harrass them were they to tell their lives!
1) Help getting jobs outside the Scn jobs they are already in.
2) Places to move to, they can afford, outside the Scn community they
are currently in.
Good useful advice on these 2 points, will later on result in some
people getting in positions to speak out.
(I chose working by high principled wog businesses or groups, I chose
the Sierra Club, and activist groups, and newspapers, as good people to
work for. Working with intelligent wogs, is to me, the best defense
from official and unofficial Scn movement harrassing tactics.)
I'd like to hear people's years of good experience and opinions in
dealing with these two initial problems that people coming out of the
Sea Org, after having been in and round the top parts of the Sea Org
for decades, what good suggestions people have.
Thanks, Chuck Beatty
How and when did you find out about ARS and xenu.net? You are one of
> the most recent leavers I know.
I first found Lerma Net, because when I was in the RPF, in the late
90's the Freedom Mag articles stupidly mentioned Arnie, and I
remembered Arnie's flap with Suzette back when it happened at the FLB
So when I first got out, I spent a lot of time looking at LermaNet and
that branched off all over the place. First couple of times on
LermaNet, it hooks up to xenu, and there are SO MANY sites now, it is
just overwhelming almost, which is also reassuring, since the anti-Scn
info looks so permanently on the internet. It looked suddenly to me,
when I first was looking, that there was a huge anti-Scn community of
all various types of participants.
I started looking at anti-LRH and anti-Scn sites, while I was still on
the RPF's RPF in March 2003. I had started sneaking a peek at the
anti-Scn stuff then. I'd arranged to go to the library, and I had
arranged to start using the internet while still routing out. I saw
the huge number of anti-Scn links then, but when on the RPF's RPF route
out special category, I limited my looking then to just the anti-LRH
history stuff, since if I got caught, I could argue I was just doing
"source" briefings on LRH's life (ha!)!
About May or Jun 2003, I got my own computer, and started looking at
the confid OT 3 and NOTs stuff, that was a definite hump for me. But I
just couldn't stop looking, it was too damn compelling, reading the
info, there is SO MUCH good info, especially all the LRH material.
That's when I started looking all over the anti-Scn sites, and I looked
at them for a year before I moved to Pittsbrugh, and when here in
Pittsburgh, in late July, I started posting.
(Have you written up the early IAS history yet? Cyprus!)
I encourage all the former Int Base staff to write whatever they can,
and get it on the internet, since the head of the Scn movement resides
at the Int Base. People observing the Scn movement can be informed of
what directions things might be going, or what's behind the scenes in
recent years there. Plus the whole history of the top of the movement
needs to get written up for history's sake.
Anonymous answered me the following: GOOD TIPS
When I 1st left, I got jobs doing things I knew about, Call-In
translated to selling professional magazines on the phone, things like
"Agricultural Parts Trader", ""Airplane Exchange", Construction
Industry Magazine, etc. Telemarketers are always hiring, and it is not
a great job, but beats the hell out of selling a scam and there is no
Thursday at 2 to worry about! I also got my real estate license, takes
about 6 weeks and often the training is free through one of the large
brokers, and anything in sales kind of relates to regging. I also sold
Encyclopedias and learning materials to schools and churches, and
magazines door to door. Then I decided to go back to college, and found
there are many programs to help adults go back to college, whether for
a degree or certificate.
I STRONGLY recommend staying away from "Trade Schools", on-line
certificate programs, etc. Most are scams, and there was a recent "60
Minutes" show on CBS about this. I also read recently that some of the
largest, ( CEC, Smartcertify, etc.) are associated with WISE, and Jerry
DYAS (OT 8 from Clearwater) is one of the owners. Their certs are
essentially worthless in getting a job, all you end up with is a huge
student loan debt.
That said, the way to go is to enroll in your local community
college and apply for financial aide. After working for $scn for years,
you definitely qualify! I got Pell grants, State grants, and took out
student loans. While attending school full time, I got a part-time job
as a bartender/waiter in a nice supper club. I usually made 200 to 300
dollars a night working only Friday and Saturday. I doubled up on
classes and did summer school and winter breaks for extra credit, and
graduated in just less than 2 years. I saved money by living in a
really cheap mobile home, hell I was never there anyway, and it was
MUCH nicer than staff berthing!!! I started applying for jobs 6 months
before graduation, and landed a really good one that I started right
away while still a student. I continued part time in University even
after graduating Community College to get promoted at work.
Also, I used my knowledge of real estate to buy a crappy house in
a decent neighborhood using a government backed FHA loan. I lived there
for 2 years, fixed it up, and made enough to buy a better house, and
did the same thing. So in just a few years after leaving $cn, I was
making 70K a year salary, sold 2 houses and bought a third, paid off my
student loans and had enough money to pay off my "freeloader debt".
THANK GOD for the Internet!!!!! And A big Thanks to all the
critics who put the truth about $cn out there! I did not give one thin
dime to $cn, and never will, even though now I could buy the whole
"bridge" if I wanted to. (What bridge? There is no bridge!) The only
thing I have to thank the Sea Org for is teaching me to work like a dog
and live on almost nothing. Oh, and thank you very much for declaring
me an SP!
Another suggestion to ex-Sea Org from another ex-Sea Org member:
Coming out of the SO after years can be really scary. I remember
one of my juniors who had been in for decades, he was in tears because
his wife got pregnant and they were being sent to a Class V org. He was
a tough guy, had been a CO and held many exec positions since the days
when LRH was still around. But he was absolutely terrified of having to
go out in the wog world and pay rent and buy his own food, etc., as he
had been in the SO since he was a teen and had never had a "real" job.
I felt the same way after years of indoctrination. They came back to
the Sea Org years later, not looking happy or healthy at all.
When I finally left, I read about health care being one of the
fastest growing job markets due to the baby boom generation getting to
retirement age. There are a lot of great opportunities in geriatrics.
If I were coming out of the SO now, with my 500 dollars severance pay
and no work history, I would go to work at a Nursing Home. They are
ALWAYS hiring. They have on the job training so you can get a CNA.
(Certified Nurse Assistant Certificate.) Once you have that, you can go
to work at a hospital, they hire CNAs all the time. Check if a hospital
in your area has a tuition reimbursement program. You can start as a
CNA or a monitor technician or a unit clerk. Often training is
provided. Check with the Human Resources Dept., they usually have a job
board with the requirements listed. Once you are hired and have a few
months of good production, apply for training as an RN. Several
hospitals in my area have programs where you work 20 hours but get full
time pay and benefits to attend Nursing School. (There is a nationwide
shortage of Nurses.) You just have sign a contract promising to work
for them for a few years after you graduate. (usually 2 years). RNs
average over 25/hr, much more if you specialize. (ER, ICU, Surgery,
Life Flight, etc.)
Not every employee is chosen, you have to be special, but if you
were able to survive and move up the ranks in the insane world of the
SO, you ARE special. The real world is so much more sane than the SO,
especially if you were an exec. There are rules and laws and justice
that are actually applied. You get paid for your work, and you have
security and benefits. Plus, you can really help people, and isn't
that why we joined the Sea Org in the 1st Place?
Chuck Beatty 412-260-1170
"Our bombastic lapidary style is good only for inflating dwarfs." Jean-Jacques Rousseau (from "Emile, or On Education")