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 Post subject: Re: One day Ron dreamt up the Purification Rundown
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:45 pm 
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Mod edit: This post is in resonse to Dorothy, who said:

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Back on topic: When I looked into the "research" cited on the Church's website to back up their claims for the Purif, I found that it was bogus as hell. That doesn't necessarily discount the possibility that one could receive some kind of benefit from the program, because it has not been properly tested that I know of. No one has died from a Purif that I know of. Running, sweating and taking vitamins under supervision, with a doctor's permission is generally not harmful. The doctors who give permission to do the program run the risk of malpractice suits if a person is harmed by it. I know of no such cases so far. Does anyone?



The Purification Rundown as practiced in the CoS itself? Don't know if people ever died from that.

NarCONon is another question. Yes, people did die or suffered serious and lasting health damage from the program. Running, sweating and taking vitamins under the supervision of a doctor is a bit of an understatement for what happens in those centers.

5-6 hours a day in a sauna and massive vitamin overdoses is a more realistic description. People do die from that. Specially when they are not allowed to take their prescription medication against conditions like high blood pressure, heart disease, epilepsy or even insulin for diabetes and suffer the physical stress from withdrawal.
Any doctor who gives permission for this should be sued for malpractice. The medical supervision in the Narconon centers is, in reality, virtually non-existing.

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 Post subject: Re: One day Ron dreamt up the Purification Rundown
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:05 pm 
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The Purification Rundown as practiced in the CoS itself? Don't know if people ever died from that.

NarCONon is another question. Yes, people did die or suffered serious and lasting health damage from the program. Running, sweating and taking vitamins under the supervision of a doctor is a bit of an understatement for what happens in those centers.

5-6 hours a day in a sauna and massive vitamin overdoses is a more realistic description. People do die from that. Specially when they are not allowed to take their prescription medication against conditions like high blood pressure, heart disease, epilepsy or even insulin for diabetes and suffer the physical stress from withdrawal.
Any doctor who gives permission for this should be sued for malpractice. The medical supervision in the Narconon centers is, in reality, virtually non-existing.

I'm not familiar with these tragedies from narconon you speak of. Perhaps some links? It would benefit this thread if these things were linked.

Just so you know it is not 5-6 hours straight in a sauna. It is 15-30 minutes at a time with a 10 minute drink water and cool-down break at each 30 minute (max) interval. That routine does go from 3-5 hours per day, but it is much different from the 5-6 hours straight that you wrote. If that were true, people would die all the time on the Purif.


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 Post subject: Re: One day Ron dreamt up the Purification Rundown
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:06 pm 
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Dorothy wrote:
No one has died from a Purif that I know of. Running, sweating and taking vitamins under supervision, with a doctor's permission is generally not harmful. The doctors who give permission to do the program run the risk of malpractice suits if a person is harmed by it. I know of no such cases so far. Does anyone?


The following is from the recent article on Narconon in The Fix. (Obviously applying to purif in Narconon, not in CoS itself.) http://www.thefix.com/content/narconons ... n?page=all
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“By the end of the sauna, you feel like a fresh, newborn baby,” testifies Marc Murphy, the brooding young British singer-songwriter who appears to deliver a testimonial in a promotional video on the official Narconon website, narconon.org. Murphy insists that Narconon’s drug-free approach enabled him to kick a 12-year heroin addiction, compounded by a methadone and Valium habit that he acquired during dozens of previous detox attempts. “It was the easiest withdrawal that I’ve ever done,” the “student” says about his stint at a Narconon rehab outside London. “It saved my life.”

But lives have also been lost. Since Narconon's inception some 40 years ago, dozens of criminal and civil cases have been filed against its rehabs by former patients who claim to have been injured or abused, and by the relatives of people who have allegedly died as a result of bizarre and dangerous practices. “When I was at Narconon, people were taken away in ambulances and had to spend days in the hospital,” said David Love, a client at Narconon Trois-Rivieres—near Montreal—from December 2008 to May 2009, who was interviewed exclusively by The Fix. “People have died in the Quebec facility. The vitamin and sauna treatments are horrible. Patients regularly vomited and had diarrhea. Addicts with substance abuse problems have liver problems and high enzyme counts—they should in no way be taking massive amounts of vitamins like Niacin.”


Karin Pouw's response to the article (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=34687) included lots of shit, but did not contradict this claim, threaten legal action etc.

EDIT. Admittedly, Pouw's letter states, "My purpose is to address the false allegations about the Church of Scientology – Narconon may separately decide to contact you concerning the falsehoods you posted about them." But so far (to my knowledge) Narconon has not decided to make contact regarding the "falsehoods".


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 Post subject: Re: One day Ron dreamt up the Purification Rundown
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:27 pm 
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Thank you operatingwog.

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At least six Narconon clients have died—most of them in their 20s—while undertaking the program, according to documents on narconon-exposed.org, a whistle-blower website run by Dr. David Touretzky, a professor of computer science at Carnegie Mellon University and one of Scientology’s most dogged academic critics.


http://www.thefix.com/content/narconons ... n?page=all

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http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/


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 Post subject: Re: One day Ron dreamt up the Purification Rundown
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Links:http://www.xenu.net/archive/narconon/

http://narconon.blogspot.com/2009/07/sueing-scientology-narconon-criminals.html

http://montrealanonymous.blogspot.com/2010/03/narconon-exposed-in-quebec.html

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=17011

And we have the Narconon section on this Message Board, of course. :sunny:

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 Post subject: Re: One day Ron dreamt up the Purification Rundown
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The harms done by Narconon have been covered extensively on WWP and other forums. Multiple complaints and lawsuits exist in Canada and the U.S.

http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint ... conon.html
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint ... ,46.0.html

One father described how his son was left in the sauna for hours at Narconon and developed heat stroke. There was no medical staff present and no calls to EMS. Nothing. That kid is lucky to be alive.

Many complaints about Narconon also exist on The Ripoff Report: http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/Narconon.aspx

David Love has written extensively on the topic and interviewed on several radio shows. One of his press releases. http://www.complaintsboard.com/complain ... 82921.html

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