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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:55 pm 
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You could add Aaron Saxton as a victim in the SO child sexual abuse cover ups. In his testimony to Xenophon he said in January of 1990, when he was 15 years old, a man assaulted and attempted to rape him, he fought it off, and was then told not to report it police by CoS in order to avoid "bad PR" (Wonder how many other young boys weren't so lucky and got raped by this creep?)

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http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com ... ralia.html

"Aaron Saxton told the senator that after a man had attempted to rape him he was ordered not to report the incident by his superiors to avoid negative publicity for the movement;"

"When, just a few months later, in January 1990 a man attempted to rape him, Scientology officials ordered that the matter be hushed up and no report be filed to the police.


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MirnaMinkoff wrote:
You could add Aaron Saxton as a victim in the SO child sexual abuse cover ups. In his testimony to Xenophon he said in January of 1990, when he was 15 years old, a man assaulted and attempted to rape him, he fought it off, and was then told not to report it police by CoS in order to avoid "bad PR" (Wonder how many other young boys weren't so lucky and got raped by this creep?)

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http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com ... ralia.html

"Aaron Saxton told the senator that after a man had attempted to rape him he was ordered not to report the incident by his superiors to avoid negative publicity for the movement;"

"When, just a few months later, in January 1990 a man attempted to rape him, Scientology officials ordered that the matter be hushed up and no report be filed to the police.


Thank you, Mirna (and Welcome)!

I'm kind of sad now that I'm running out of room on my protest board to (prominently) feature all of the victims of rape by Scientologists. Good thing the display is double-sided :(

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 Post subject: Re: Child sexual abuse and coverup in the Sea Org
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:13 pm 
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In 1995, a Scientologist was convicted of sexually molesting his young stepdaughters. His wife stated, under oath, that the "Church" of Scientology ordered her not to report it.

A Scientologist by the name of Donald Anthony Strawn, also known as Tony Strawn, was convicted in 1995 to thirty years in prison for sexually molesting two girls, ages 11 and 13. The children were in his custodial care at the time.

The reason that these documents are included in this Web site is because the Church of Scientology directed that the mother not report the incident to the proper authorities, because the church could "handle" Strawn's "aberration". This act is a federal crime in the United States of America.

These documents come from the filings in case CRC94-12575CFANO, and the originals are in the Felony Records Department of the Pinellas County Criminal Court. Because of the victims' ages, their full names have been stricken from these copies of the documents, as has the name of the mother.

Retrieved on 14 June 2011 from http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/CoS/strawn/


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Tony Strawn is standing at the right. See also OCMB thread: Space Jazz

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 Post subject: Re: Child sexual abuse and coverup in the Sea Org
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:58 pm 
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caroline wrote:
In 1995, a Scientologist was convicted of sexually molesting his young stepdaughters. His wife stated, under oath, that the "Church" of Scientology ordered her not to report it.

A Scientologist by the name of Donald Anthony Strawn, also known as Tony Strawn, was convicted in 1995 to thirty years in prison for sexually molesting two girls, ages 11 and 13. The children were in his custodial care at the time.

The reason that these documents are included in this Web site is because the Church of Scientology directed that the mother not report the incident to the proper authorities, because the church could "handle" Strawn's "aberration". This act is a federal crime in the United States of America.

These documents come from the filings in case CRC94-12575CFANO, and the originals are in the Felony Records Department of the Pinellas County Criminal Court. Because of the victims' ages, their full names have been stricken from these copies of the documents, as has the name of the mother.

Retrieved on 14 June 2011 from http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/CoS/strawn/


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 Post subject: Re: Child sexual abuse and coverup in the Sea Org
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:43 am 
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caroline wrote:
...It is completely inappropriate for people who profit from delivering Scientology to come to wogs expecting sympathy for the abuses their tech generates.

So then by your logic do the victims of pedophile priests need to renounce Catholicism and attack it in order to qualify for compassion from non-Catholics? Many adults who were raped as children by Catholic priests chose to remain Catholics. And yet Catholicism as a system created the preconditions necessary for pedophile priests to have access to children and their trusting parents.

Should all Catholics shut up when it comes to sexual abuse by priests if the system that generates it remains unchanged?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:51 am 
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These scriptural Scientology references help to explain why Scientologists don't go to the police. Notice how Hubbard pushes the guilt/responsibility buttons in these Basic Staff hatting directives. (Current discussion re: responsibility in this OCMB thread.)

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:
Scientology ethics are so powerful in effect, as determined by observation of it in use, that a little goes a very long ways.

Try to use the lightest form first.

Students are quite caved in by it when it is applied, by actual observation. Our lines are too powerful and direct and what we mean to a person's future, even while he or she is nattering, is so well understood down deep that ethics action is a far worse threat than mere wog law.

The being who is guilty knows with certainty that he is offending against the future of all, no matter what his surface manifestations or conduct. Further, while wog law at the worst can only cause him or her some pain and a body by execution or one lifetime's loss of liberty, we threaten his eternity. Even while he screams at us, he knows this down deep.

My first instance of this was a very dangerous psychotic who was largely responsible for a great deal of the public commotion in 1950. This person desisted and caved in the moment the thought was suggested to her by a non-Dianetic friend that she was threatening all mankind. She suddenly saw it as truth and instantly gave up all attacks and utterances.

Even the fellow who could push the button on atomic war knows, really, it's only one lifetime per person he is blowing up, only one phase in Earth's existence he or she is destroying. That we exist here could actually restrain him. The mere destruction of a planet might not, as it's temporary.

Our discipline is quite capable of driving a person around the bend because of what he or she is attacking.

Therefore, we can all too easily make a person feel guilty by just a whisper. I've now seen a student, simply asked a question by Ethics, promptly give up and ask for his Comm Ev and expulsion. He hadn't done more than a poor auditing job. Nobody was talking about a Comm Ev or expulsion and he had not a bit of defiance in it. He just caved right in.

You are threatening somebody with oblivion for eternity by expulsion from Scientology. Therefore realize that an ethics action need not be very heavy to produce the most startling results.

Down deep they know this even when they are screaming at us.

One suppressive person who had committed a high crime of some magnitude went quite insane after departing Scientology and then realizing what he had done.

Therefore, use ethics lightly. It is chain lightning.

Hubbard, L. (1965, 29 April). HCOPL Ethics Review. Organization Executive Course. (1991 ed., Basic Staff Volume 0, pp. 491-5.) Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc.


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Don't react to Scientology justice as though it were wog law. In society's "courts" one is given the works, and truth has little bearing on the findings. A mean judge or clever attorney and small legal errors decide a lot of their cases.

Wog courts are like throwing dice. There is huge cost and publicity and punishment galore even for the innocent.

So we must preserve our justice.

And use it.

That's the main lesson. If we don't use it in all questions where the truth of the matter is in doubt, we'll just go on being wogs.

If we don't exhibit our science as a group and show a good example, what can we achieve?

So let's grow up to our own technology and take responsibility for it.

And wear our hats as Scientologists to the world.

Hubbard, L. (1965, 27 March). The Justice of Scientology Its Use and Purpose Being a Scientologist. Organization Executive Course. (1991 ed., Basic Staff Volume 0, pp. 483-5.) Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc.

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 Post subject: Re: Child sexual abuse and coverup in the Sea Org
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:57 am 
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Caroline, wallpapering OCMB with LRH policy does not answer my question: Should all Catholics shut up when it comes to sexual abuse by priests if the system that generates it remains unchanged?

The Catholic Church never went to the police either. Following your logic, Catholic sexual abuse is all traceable to Jesus Christ as he is the Founder of Christianity.

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 Post subject: Re: Child sexual abuse and coverup in the Sea Org
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:50 am 
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J. Swift wrote:
caroline wrote:
...It is completely inappropriate for people who profit from delivering Scientology to come to wogs expecting sympathy for the abuses their tech generates.

So then by your logic do the victims of pedophile priests need to renounce Catholicism and attack it in order to qualify for compassion from non-Catholics?


No, not my logic.

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Many adults who were raped as children by Catholic priests chose to remain Catholics. And yet Catholicism as a system created the preconditions necessary for pedophile priests to have access to children and their trusting parents.

Should all Catholics shut up when it comes to sexual abuse by priests if the system that generates it remains unchanged?

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Makes no sense.

The victimizers have to stop victimizing themselves and others, so they can be helped. Insisting that the victimizer stop victimizing is a logical first step for their recovery, and is good for everybody. It's very simple.

Scientologists like Rathbun and de la Carriere who profit monetarily from delivering Scientology, and who exercise considerable influence among their customers and potential customers, have an even greater responsibility than others to inform themselves about the damage their tech does. It is irresponsible for them to blame abuse or coverup on DM or "the church" while continuing to sell and apply the damaging doctrine. This behavior should not be supported.

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 Post subject: Re: Child sexual abuse and coverup in the Sea Org
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Hubbard claims that; Wog courts are like throwing dice. There is huge cost and publicity and punishment galore even for the innocent. So we must preserve our justice.” The problem with Hubbard is not so much what he claim, but that he can get away with this without somebody in the congregation stand up and say; how do you know this, what is your evidence? Karen do something similar she post things that show the church cover up crimes, but disappear when it pointing to Hubbard, and his scripture, as she did here. In the linked message, she seems to be ignorant about the fact that factual statement about the world is amenable to confirmation, or refutation by evidence based discourse. Neither she as a loyalist, nor Hubbard can stand up to scrutiny!
viewtopic.php?p=396703#p396703

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 Post subject: Re: Child sexual abuse and coverup in the Sea Org
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:48 pm 
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peter wrote:
Hubbard claims that; Wog courts are like throwing dice. There is huge cost and publicity and punishment galore even for the innocent. So we must preserve our justice.” The problem with Hubbard is not so much what he claim, but that he can get away with this without somebody in the congregation stand up and say; how do you know this, what is your evidence? Karen do something similar she post things that show the church cover up crimes, but disappear when it pointing to Hubbard, and his scripture, as she did here. In the linked message, she seems to be ignorant about the fact that factual statement about the world is amenable to confirmation, or refutation by evidence based discourse. Neither she as a loyalist, nor Hubbard can stand up to scrutiny!
viewtopic.php?p=396703#p396703


I do appreciate Karen's posting here - where we tend to deride Hubbard so much - and I think she has a lot of insight to give, even though I disagree with her religious beliefs.

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Senator Xenophon wrote:
The widespread allegations of abuse and criminality are incredibly serious and warrant serious and immediate investigation," he said.

"Too many victims of Scientology have spoken out for this issue to be ignored any longer. A judicial inquiry would not simply identify any wrongdoing, it would also be able to look into whether that wrongdoing was systemic and organised," he said.

Xenophon accompanied the girl at the centre of the allegations to the police station when she made her complaint against Eastgate.

Rourke, A. (2011, 15 June). Scientologist 'coached child to lie about sexual abuse'. guardian.co.uk.Retrieved on 15 June 2011 from http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/15/scientologist-girl-lie-abuse-allegation


Senator Xenophon, in taking the extraordinary step to personally accompany Carmen to the police, demonstrated to the world one of the incredible obstacles Scientology victims must overcome in obtaining justice.

Thank you Senator, for raising the necessary question about whether the wrongdoing is systemic and organized. Now we're getting somewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Child sexual abuse and coverup in the Sea Org
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peter wrote:
Hubbard claims that; Wog courts are like throwing dice. There is huge cost and publicity and punishment galore even for the innocent. So we must preserve our justice.” The problem with Hubbard is not so much what he claim, but that he can get away with this without somebody in the congregation stand up and say; how do you know this, what is your evidence? Karen do something similar she post things that show the church cover up crimes, but disappear when it pointing to Hubbard, and his scripture, as she did here. In the linked message, she seems to be ignorant about the fact that factual statement about the world is amenable to confirmation, or refutation by evidence based discourse. Neither she as a loyalist, nor Hubbard can stand up to scrutiny!
viewtopic.php?p=396703#p396703


I do appreciate Karen's posting here - where we tend to deride Hubbard so much - and I think she has a lot of insight to give, even though I disagree with her religious beliefs.


I agree. My first impression of Karen was that she was here to "handle" us. I still have that suspicion, because, well -- scientology, but since I first encountered her on this board I have read nothing in her posts that indicates that's why she's here. I appreciate her posting on and taking part with this message board.

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I do appreciate Karen's posting here - where we tend to deride Hubbard so much - and I think she has a lot of insight to give, even though I disagree with her religious beliefs.


I agree. My first impression of Karen was that she was here to "handle" us. I still have that suspicion, because, well -- scientology, but since I first encountered her on this board I have read nothing in her posts that indicates that's why she's here. I appreciate her posting on and taking part with this message board.


Scientologists, and especially techies, wouldn't go to message boards to "recover" from their traumatic Scientology experiences. They'd get auditing. Karen sells and delivers the whole Scientology Bridge, so she's got to be "all set."

Although Scientologists don't really want or need our sympathy, our "human emotion and reaction" is fodder for disseminators and recruiters. The Indies seem to have grabbed a piece of Scientology's online sector, so of course, message boards like OCMB are loaded with potential customers and recruits.

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Don't go being an effect of the public. Every once in a while you see some auditor half starved to death. He gets hold of a pc whose fee he needs, so starts doing anything he can to get that fee and makes himself an effect. It's quite remarkable, but he generally winds up not getting it. That's because he is too much the effect of the fee. He then has to be the effect of the pc to such a degree that he has to put up with anything, and he then finally abandons 8-C and really doesn't handle the problems of the pc. All these things go together in a package.

You would be amazed how many restaurants you could walk into, find people sitting by themselves, sit down across from them and start a session. You would be just amazed how many people you could do that to without a preliminary or anything. I've seldom been successful in getting Scientologists (except those doing professional auditor training levels) to go out and just grab people off the street. It's quite remarkable how often this works, if you, yourself, have a totally brave attitude toward it.

Hubbard, L. (1986). Hubbard Dissemination Course. Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc.


But I'm with you. I'm glad Karen and other Scientologists post here too.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:41 pm 
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Successfully Raising Children Course based on the works of non other than L. Ron Hubbard.

Unlike most scientology courses, it's free, at least according to this website:
http://www.scientologyparent.com/free-courses-for-parents/successfully-raising-children-course/

Of course L. Ron Hubbard was very good at raising children, he helped raise me and then of course there is his son, Quentin, who was a friend of mine.

http://www.xenu-directory.net/victims/hubbard1.html

Of course it's free, "get the kids while they are young." Scientology's new sea org motto.

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 Post subject: Re: Child sexual abuse and coverup in the Sea Org
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:03 am 
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Wieber wrote:
skeptic2girl wrote:
peter wrote:
Hubbard claims that; Wog courts are like throwing dice. There is huge cost and publicity and punishment galore even for the innocent. So we must preserve our justice.” The problem with Hubbard is not so much what he claim, but that he can get away with this without somebody in the congregation stand up and say; how do you know this, what is your evidence? Karen do something similar she post things that show the church cover up crimes, but disappear when it pointing to Hubbard, and his scripture, as she did here. In the linked message, she seems to be ignorant about the fact that factual statement about the world is amenable to confirmation, or refutation by evidence based discourse. Neither she as a loyalist, nor Hubbard can stand up to scrutiny!
viewtopic.php?p=396703#p396703


I do appreciate Karen's posting here - where we tend to deride Hubbard so much - and I think she has a lot of insight to give, even though I disagree with her religious beliefs.


I agree. My first impression of Karen was that she was here to "handle" us. I still have that suspicion, because, well -- scientology, but since I first encountered her on this board I have read nothing in her posts that indicates that's why she's here. I appreciate her posting on and taking part with this message board.


I have also wondered why Karen posts here. I think it may be with a view to trying to get scientology critics "on side" vis-a-vis Marty vs. Micavige.

However that may be I'm very conscious (now more than previously) what a terrible, destructive role the church of scientology has played in Karen's life and that of her son and ex-husband. Like many on this board, I don't distinguish -- as Karen does -- between Hubbard's scientology and Micavige's cult of scientology. But I don't think it's right to tell Karen where she should place the blame for her son's sexual abuse or the terrible things that have happened to Heber Jentzsch. I also don't think it's right to raise questions about the complicity of victims in this context. And I don't think Karen's courage should be overlooked simply because she continues to be a scientologist.

I was very heartened when Karen said on this board that she no longer adheres to scientology's view of psychiatry. That seems to me a bit step because there's no way to deny that that view of psychiatry was Hubbard's own. I'd hope that Karen would continue further down that path. But I can also see that she has to recover as best she can from a lifetime of cult abuse, and that that must be a painful process in many ways.


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