Child sexual abuse and coverup in the Sea Org

Wieber · **Joined:** Tue May 23, 2006 10:57 pm **Posts:** 8449

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

When you're close to power, get some delegated to you-enough to do your job and protect yourself and your interests-for you· can be shot, fellow, shot, as the position near power is delicious but dangerous, dangerous always, open to the taunts of any enemy of the power who dare not really boot the power but can boot you. So to live at all in the shadow or employ of a power, you must yourself gather and USE enough power to hold your own-without just nattering to the power to "kill Pete," in straightforward or more suppressive veiled ways to him, as these wreck the power that supports yours. He doesn't have to know all the bad news, and if he's a power really, he won't ask all the time, "What are all those dead bodies doing at the door?" And if you are clever, you never let it be thought HE killed them-that weakens you and also hurts the power source. "Well, boss, about all those dead bodies, nobody at all will suppose you did it. She over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn't like me." "Well," he'll say if he really is a power, "why are you bothering me with it if it's done and you did it. Where's my blue ink?" Or "Skipper, three shore patrolmen will be along soon with your cook, Dober, and they'll want to tell you he beat up Simson." "Who's Simson?" "He's a clerk in the enemy office downtown." "Good. When they've done it, take Dober down to the dispensary for any treatment he needs. Oh yes. Raise his pay." Or "Sir, could I have the power to sign divisional orders?" "Sure."

Hubbard, L. (1967, 12 February). Responsibilities of Leaders. Organization Executive Course (1991 ed., Vol 0 Basic Staff Hat, pp. 629-41)

For me this always brings Susan Meister to mind. Susan Meister always brings this to mind, as well.

Dorothy · **Posted:** Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:49 am

Susan Meister was a 23 year old (practically a child) who was shot and killed after being on the Apollo with LRon, for only a few months. She was allegedly found dead, lying in her bunk aboard the ship. The father was told it was a suicide.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shel ... /bs4-4.htm

Susan was under the care of LRon, yet when Susan's father flew all the way to Morocco to investigate what had happened to his daughter, he was rebuffed by LRon, who refused to see the man. A distraught father, flies across half the world to find out why his daughter was dead, and LRon does not even have the decency to even speak to the man? This is a perfect example of what scientology thinks of families. Families mean nothing in scientology.

The Susan Meister story is one of the fishiest and creepiest of all the stories from the annals of scientology. Pink legs? That kind of makes my imagination run wild. What could have possible happened to Susan Meister aboard the Apollo that A) She had to kill herself, or B) she had to be killed?

Wieber · **Joined:** Tue May 23, 2006 10:57 pm **Posts:** 8449

"Well, old man, I will tell you news of
your son: give me your blessing: truth will come
to light; murder cannot be hid long; a man's son
may, but at the length truth will out."
William Shakespeare

skeptic2girl · **Joined:** Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:14 am **Posts:** 1041

Wieber wrote:

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

When you're close to power, get some delegated to you-enough to do your job and protect yourself and your interests-for you· can be shot, fellow, shot, as the position near power is delicious but dangerous, dangerous always, open to the taunts of any enemy of the power who dare not really boot the power but can boot you. So to live at all in the shadow or employ of a power, you must yourself gather and USE enough power to hold your own-without just nattering to the power to "kill Pete," in straightforward or more suppressive veiled ways to him, as these wreck the power that supports yours. He doesn't have to know all the bad news, and if he's a power really, he won't ask all the time, "What are all those dead bodies doing at the door?" And if you are clever, you never let it be thought HE killed them-that weakens you and also hurts the power source. "Well, boss, about all those dead bodies, nobody at all will suppose you did it. She over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn't like me." "Well," he'll say if he really is a power, "why are you bothering me with it if it's done and you did it. Where's my blue ink?" Or "Skipper, three shore patrolmen will be along soon with your cook, Dober, and they'll want to tell you he beat up Simson." "Who's Simson?" "He's a clerk in the enemy office downtown." "Good. When they've done it, take Dober down to the dispensary for any treatment he needs. Oh yes. Raise his pay." Or "Sir, could I have the power to sign divisional orders?" "Sure."

Hubbard, L. (1967, 12 February). Responsibilities of Leaders. Organization Executive Course (1991 ed., Vol 0 Basic Staff Hat, pp. 629-41)

For me this always brings Susan Meister to mind. Susan Meister always brings this to mind, as well.

Okay. THIS is weird. That indie Scientologist who gave the Janet Reitman book review over in another thread (Sponge posted) said this about David Miscavige:

Quote:

All told, Janet Reitman’s Inside Scientology is a must read. She has sent an enormous boulder crashing through the glass house of Miscavige; those pink legs sticking out… well, I think you know whom they are attached to. It’s a strong statement that ultimately will help further our cause as Independent Scientologists. Read the book for yourself and see what you think.

Is "those pink legs sticking out" some sort of famous Hubbard line?
I would need to read the Hub quote above a few more times to follow what on Tee-geack he's talking about, but I don't want to try and get inside that guy's head. (I hate how I can see in my mind's eye Hubbard congratulating himself on his own purple prose: the position near power is delicious but dangerous, dangerous always -- really? Does that explain your obesity issues, Ron? Power just too yummy?)

Susan Meister! Wasn't she supposedly "found" with a rifle laying beside her, shot in the head, supposedly by suicide?

PS: Wieber, which play is that Shakespeare quote from?

caroline · **Posted:** Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:32 am

skeptic2girl wrote:

Is "those pink legs sticking out" some sort of famous Hubbard line?

The quote is from a famous policy letter called Responsibilities of Leaders, Hubbard's essay on Power. Published in the Basic Staff Volume of the Organization Executive Course, here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y6Y8T3ZY.

OEC and Managment series linked from this WWP thread.

skeptic2girl · **Joined:** Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:14 am **Posts:** 1041

Thanks, Caroline!

I'm sure it's the line "LRH" was hoping to be remembered for... :xenu:

Wieber · **Joined:** Tue May 23, 2006 10:57 pm **Posts:** 8449

The quote is from The Merchant of Venice, Act II Scene II, spoken by Launcelot.

caroline · **Posted:** Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:16 pm

This HCOB on the "cause" of crime helps to explain, I think, a "technical" reason why caring Scientology parents would avoid reporting abuse to the authorities. Hubbard's demonization and scapegoating of psychiatrists and psychologists pervades Scientology "scripture."

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF 6 MAY 1982

Remimeo

THE CAUSE OF CRIME

They say poverty makes crime. They say if one improved education there would be less crime. They say if one cured the lot of the underprivileged one would have solved crime.

All these “remedies” have proven blatantly false.

In very poor countries there is little crime. In “improving” education, it was tailored to “social reform,” not teaching skills. And it is a total failure. The fact that rewarding the underprivileged has simply wrecked schools and neighborhoods and cost billions is missing.

So who is “they”? The psychologist and psychiatrist, of course. These were their crackpot remedies for crime. And it’s wrecked a civilization.

So what IS the cause of crime? The treatment, of course! Electric shocks, behavior modification, abuse of the soul. These are the causes of crime. There would be no criminals at all if the psychs had not begun to oppress beings into vengeance against society.

There’s only one remedy for crime—get rid of the psychs! They are causing it!

Ah yes, it’s true on cases and cases of research on criminals. And what’s it all go back to? The psychs!

Their brutality and heartlessness is renowned.

The data is rolling in. Any more you pick up off a criminal or anyone, send it in.

On crime we have an epidemic running on this planet. The wrong causes psychs assign for crime plus their own “treatments” make them a deadly virus.

The psychs should not be let to get away with “treatments” which amount to criminal acts, mayhem and murder. They are not above the law. In fact, there are no laws at all which protect them, for what sane society would sanction crimes against its citizens even as “science”? They should be handled like any other criminals. They are at best dramatizing psychotics and dangerous, but more dangerous to society at large than the psychotics they keep in their offices and loony bins because they lie and are treacherous. Why the government funds them I do not know. They are the last ones that should be let loose to handle children.

L. RON HUBBARD
Founder

Hubbard, L. R. (1982, 6 May). The Cause of Crime. The Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology. (1991 ed., Vol. XII, p. 407). Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc.

For Scientologists, reporting child abuse to the authorities would place their children at risk of exposure to psychs. "Placing Scientology or Scientologists at risk" is a Crime, according to Scientology Justice Codes. (Ref. Introduction to Scientology Ethics.)

caroline · **Posted:** Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:56 am

In this appalling piece of technical scripture, Hubbard reveals how psychiatrists and their treatment make criminals worse by making them more stupid. Scientology gets directly involved in situations that could expose their members to SP mental health professionals. Scientologists also have a history of conspiring and acting to preventing wog disaster victims from connecting with psychiatric help. (Example: See this intercepted e-mail from the Commanding Officer of IHELP Canada on 14 September 2001.)

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex

HCO BULLETIN OF 26 APRIL 1982

Remimeo

THE CRIMINAL MIND AND THE PSYCHS

It has often been noted (and reported routinely in the papers) that criminals “treated” by psychologists and psychiatrists go out and commit crimes.

It could be suspected that these “practitioners” used pain-drug-hypnosis and other means (under the guise of treatment) to induce the criminal to go out and commit more crimes. And possibly they do.

But I have just made a discovery that sheds some light on this scene. Morality and good conduct are sensible. That is the theme of The Way To Happiness. It follows (and can be proven) that immorality and bad conduct are stupid.

This bears out under further investigation. One could lay aside the ancient Greek speculations of “Good and Bad” and go on an easier and less contentious logic of “Bright and Stupid.”

Anything that a criminal seeks to obtain can be obtained without crime if one is bright enough. Criminals, as police can tell you, are usually very, very stupid. The things they do and clues they leave around are hallmarks of very low IQ. The “bright” criminal is found only in fiction. Now and then a Hitler comes along and begins a myth that the highly positioned are criminal—but Hitler (and Napoleon and all their ilk) were stupid beyond belief. Hitler destroyed himself and Germany didn’t he? And Napoleon destroyed himself and France. So not even the highly placed criminals are bright. Had they really been bright they could have accomplished a successful reign without crime.

The bones of old civilizations are signboards of stupidity. The jails are bursting with people so stupid they did bad things and even those uncleverly.

So let us look at psychs again—what they call “treatment” is a suppression (by shocks, drugs, etc.) of the ability to think. They are not honest enough, these psychs, being just dramatizing psychotics themselves for the most part, to publish the fact that all their “treatments” (mayhem really when it is not murder) make people more stupid.

These actions of shock and crazy evaluative counselling etc. lower IQ like an express elevator going down to the basement.

They do not tell legislators this or put it in their books. This is why they say “no one can change IQ.” They are hiding the fact that they ruin it.

So the psych in prisons is engaging in an action (shocking or whatever) that makes people who are already criminal even stupider.

Although they obviously tell their victims to go out and commit more crimes (the psychoanalyst urged wives to commit adultery for instance), they would not have to do this at all to manufacture more crime.

Their “treatments” make the criminals more stupid. The stupid commit more crimes.

It is pretty simple, really, when you look at it.

Why does the state support psychiatrists and psychologists? Because the state is stupid? Or does it want more citizens robbed and killed? It’s one or the other. Take your choice.

One is bright and is moral and honest and does well or one is stupid and does badly.

The answer to crime is raising IQ. But only the Scientologist can do that.

L. RON HUBBARD
Founder

Hubbard, L. R. (1982, 26 April). The Criminal Mind and the Psychs. The Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology. (1991 ed., Vol. XII, pp. 405-6). Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc.

Dorothy · **Posted:** Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:14 pm

Quote:

The first crime analyst may have been a Cro-Magnon. Call him Gog. One day, while about to hunt and gather, Gog scratches his head, turns to the rest of his cave-dwelling clan, and says, “You know… every time we go down to the watering hole between the time the sun is on the horizon and the time it’s above us in the sky, one of us gets his head cracked open by some goon from the Big Rock Tribe.”
from: http://www.macrimeanalysts.com/articles ... alysis.pdf
A History of Crime Analysis

Then LRon comes along.

Quote:

So what IS the cause of crime? The treatment, of course! Electric shocks, behavior modification, abuse of the soul. These are the causes of crime. There would be no criminals at all if the psychs had not begun to oppress beings into vengeance against society.

There’s only one remedy for crime—get rid of the psychs! They are causing it!

Ah yes, it’s true on cases and cases of research on criminals. And what’s it all go back to? The psychs!

Their brutality and heartlessness is renowned.

The data is rolling in. Any more you pick up off a criminal or anyone, send it in.

Dear Gog,

All the data has now rolled in from our state-of-the-art Electro-psychometers!* That pesky goon from the Big Rock Tribe was merely dramatizing an implant from psychiatrists on the whole track**. We have the solution. For $300,000 pieces of ivory, the Big Rock goon can get all his implants audited out with our registered, protected, and copyrighted spiritual counselling. If we find through the interrogation section of this highly technical spiritual counseling, that Big Rock goon is really a re-incarnated SP***, psyche or priest from the whole track, we will simply have him disposed of quietly and without sorrow, for a small (ahem, I mean large) fee. Please sign here on the dotted line. Congratulations! You have just signed your first billion year contract! Now when you come back, you will start again at the beginning only with even better love-bombing that makes you think you are really special, because you came back. Now here, fetch this!

* e-meter, an essential instrument used in scientology spiritual counseling
** eternity, as seen through the eyes of a "pre-clear", one who is receiving scientology spiritual counseling
*** suppressive person (an evil person who is incapable of change)

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