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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:25 pm 
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Gold Leaf, I am really glad you refused to distribute the Applied Scholastics flyer.


It made a point, and no one's safety was threatened. Her refusal to do a simple job, however, in an employment situation involving a Scientologist and an RTC-licensed Scientology operation, rises to the level of what is called in Scientology a "flap." It would be the subject of Knowledge Reports, and from the moment it happened has been a "Matter of RTC Concern."

If I was employed by the owner of a music studio to distribute music studio fliers, and then come to find out that not only was I being required to promote a Scientology operation, but that my paycheck was going to come from them, I'd feel pretty scammed.

By Gold Leaf's account, Georgius tried to do a "PTS handling" with a wog employee he hired to promote a Scientology operation, and he failed. There's no way Scientology is going to drop this. At very least, this incident will net Georgius a trip to the MAA for his own PTS handling, ethics conditions, etc. And they'll have to work out a "handling" for Gold Leaf.

Which brings up another survival point: document things. Make a record. Keep your own files. Think security with those files, as if an foreign intelligence organization comparable to the FBI, which Scientology is, wants to destroy them, which Scientology does. And don't let the record keeping, the files, the security and the rest of the scary stuff make you paranoid.

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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:04 pm 
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Is there a way I can find out what they have written about me: reports such as you've described, and etc.? Is there a way to contact main offices to file a complaint about the way Tomi Lyn Bowling has been conducting herself (secretly whispering angry and threatening remarks to me during social minutes of the Sunland Tujunga Neighborhood Council which she is Vice President of) and do they ever rein in their rogue members?
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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:28 pm 
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Gold Leaf wrote:
Is there a way I can find out what they have written about me: reports such as you've described, and etc.? Is there a way to contact main offices to file a complaint about the way Tomi Lyn Bowling has been conducting herself (secretly whispering angry and threatening remarks to me during social minutes of the Sunland Tujunga Neighborhood Council which she is Vice President of) and do they ever rein in their rogue members?
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I am not an attorney, and nothing I say should be considered legal advice. Some of what you are asking, in my opinion, should really be asked of an attorney. Hopefully this would be a friendly wog attorney familiar with your community.

Evidently, Bowling has you tagged as a "Suppressive Person," and indeed you fit the definition: a person who opposes Scientology fraud, abuses and criminality. What you describe as her behavior towards you would be standard treatment for SPs in that situation. You are "Fair Game," meaning that you are, in Scientologists' scripture and programming, a legitimate target for pursuit and attack.

Scientology will at times "rein in" and even scapegoat or throw under buses its people who cause bad PR or get in legal trouble. Scientology is organizationally a dictatorship, and the dictator can order anything he wants done to any Scientologist. In this instance, I don't think Ms. Bowling will be reined in exactly, because it appears that she has behaved as she was trained to behave. I think that rather than reining her in Scientology/OSA would assign her specific targets for execution in its Sunland-Tujunga Area Control Program.

I would advise against asking Scientology for their intel reports on you, until you have acquired an unassailable education about this religion, cult and criminal conspiracy, or you've acquired an attorney. I would also caution against engaging Scientology about Bowling. This could be something an attorney might do, and the reports you seek might be discoverable if you have justiciable legal claim and the resources to pursue it. Again, I am not a lawyer. But I think that nothing good would come of you attempting this yourself, and Scientology would use the opportunity to try and neutralize you or otherwise further victimize you. Scientology needs to be reined in on their Suppressive Person doctrine and their fair game treatment of the SP class. Until that happens, they'll stand with Tomi Bowling, and far worse, far more psychopathic people against you.

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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:47 pm 
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Gold Leaf, I think your best course of action right now is to take a low profile on scientology while you do your research into what actually goes on with scientology. Becoming, apparently, less active and in opposition will make them think that they have succeeded in "shattering you into silence" and they may back off a bit on you, although there is no guarantee of that. Hubbard instructed, "if possible destroy him utterly."

If you can possibly disengage yourself socially from those people do that. As far as I'm concerned your number one priority is your own personal safety. That's not to suggest that you go and hide with your head in the sand and not do anything about scientology in your community but you need to understand the nature of the beast you are dealing with.

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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:47 pm 
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Gold Leaf, I don't think there's any way you can find out what they have written about you. And the others are right, it's probably best to take a low profile, and don't try to fight fire with fire. You have to use your head, and don't engage in the tactics that they like to use (getting into peoples' faces, trying to derail someone by using aggression or insults.)

The best thing, in my opinion, is to expose the truth, and to show the other people in local government what is happening.

You can't sound hysterical or petty, or you'll be written off as a kook (and they love to try to paint others as kooks, or religious bigots). Just stick to the plain facts.

Just to give you some more idea about what is going on here...these people think they are better and smarter than you. They are saving the world. You are in the way. Scientologists will dump their own families if they think they are in the way. And there is pretty much no way of talking in a heart to heart manner, because they become almost like robots in their thinking and in their determination.

Again, I would just do the research, have facts and figures, don't use hyperbole or emotion. It can definitely be done, as others have done in conflicts with Scientologists in local government.

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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:42 am 
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Gold Leaf wrote:
Is there a way I can find out what they have written about me: reports such as you've described, and etc.? Is there a way to contact main offices to file a complaint about the way Tomi Lyn Bowling has been conducting herself (secretly whispering angry and threatening remarks to me during social minutes of the Sunland Tujunga Neighborhood Council which she is Vice President of) and do they ever rein in their rogue members?
The simple answer is "No" unless you hire an attorney and have lots of $$ for litigation costs. From what I've read, you accepted a job (as an independent contractor) distributing pamphlets which contained circulars for Applied Scholastics, which you refused to distribute.

That is perfectly OK to do, just as it is perfectly legal for your employer to ask you distribute the cult circulars with his pamphlets if your employer says is part of your job. Whatever your position is on the cult and it's many front groups, Applied Scholastics is a legal entity and business and they're entitled to pay people to distribute their marketing circulars.

I live in West Hollywood and residents here are constantly swamped weekly by circulars & ads left on our doors, shoved under the doors, rubber-banded to the fence and dropped at the front door by young men who have no clue what they're distributing, but they are earning an income doing it. And, in this economy of ours, I don't hold that against them despite having to constantly clean up after them. Amongst the circulars are Purification Rundown newspapers and Dianetics promo material.

You are within your rights to refuse to distribute cult materials, but likewise, they & their advertisers are within their rights to refuse you a job in that regard, which would fall under the legal definiton of misconduct. I suggest you put the matter behind you and move on. They may have created a file on you, but if you are not actively stirring up the hornet's nest, you have nothing to be concerned about.

Entity Name: WENTWORTH WOODS COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION
Entity Number: C1216083
Date Filed: 11/10/1983
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Entity Address: 8545 TUJUNGA VALLEY
Entity City, State, Zip: SUNLAND CA 91040
Agent for Service of Process: TOMI BOWLING
Agent Address: 8545 TUJUNGA VALLEY (their home address)
Agent City, State, Zip: SUNLAND CA 91040

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... wling.html
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... wling.html

Owner: TOMI L AND ANTHONY F BOWLING http://www.city-data.com/los-angeles-co ... eet-2.html

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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:10 pm 
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Smurf wrote:
They may have created a file on you, but if you are not actively stirring up the hornet's nest, you have nothing to be concerned about.


What there is to be concerned about is the hominid hornets nest in your community government, community, state, country and planet that reacts as stirred up hornets to the observation that they’re a hornets nest. Many people have successfully learned to not be concerned about that, and one of the best ways is to not learn about what there is to be concerned about.

What stirs the Hornetologists up is somebody telling the truth about their fraud, abuses and criminality. If you stop stirring them up, that is stop telling the truth about them – in contexts where it matters – they will indeed leave you more alone than if you continue telling the truth about them.

If they sense that you are educating yourself about the nature and actions of hornets (Vespa hubbardina), their hive and their ecclesiastical queen, they will also turn more workers toward you, because they know that some day you’ll have the ideal stick – speaking knowledge of their fraud, abuses and crimes – to stir their nest.

That Scientology could bring you to choosing between speaking out and being fair gamed and being silent and maybe not fair gamed is exactly why the truth should be told about it.

One type of file they've undoubtedly created on you is called the "Dead File." (Ref. HCO PL ENTHETA LETTERS AND THE DEAD FILE, HANDLING OF.) What you can expect, regardless of whether the hornets nest is stirred up currently, is that any time in the future when something goes wrong for the Scientologists, they'll get out their Dead Files and start looking for the people who have stirred up the hornets nest in the past. And by the same policy the only real way for anyone to get out of their "Dead Files" is to become a Scientologist and go Clear.

These days Dead Files are essentially RTC/OSA intelligence files, and digitized. RTC/OSA don't have to trot over to org HCOs to look at dead files in cases of trouble, and, of course, Scientology and Scientologists have never been free of cases of trouble. Every "particle" they can get on you, including your "entheta" communications, is available to Miscavige and his intelligence apparatus electronically.

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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:14 pm 
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Gold Leaf, I admire the courage you show in tackling this hornet's nest. You remind me of a certain fiery redhead who has become an enormous thorn in the Riverside Board of Supervisor's side. Julie Waltz is a Constitutional Rights activist who refuses to sit quietly and allow Scientology's agenda to reshape laws and policies to its favor in her community. Check out this thread and you will see that you are in good company. She doesn't afraid of anything.

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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
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Thank you Benny's Friend.
So okay I've come to terms with the fact I am on somebody's "list(s)"... as you can tell I have no experience with Scientology so you can imagine I was a bit overwhelmed at first. But now I'm ready to put them on MY list and I will not be doing any business with them (nor will my friends, family, and customers). I will be hypervigilant about their activities in my little city's neighborhood council, chamber of commerce, newspaper, civic organizations, and service organizations, because yes! they are in all of those. How do I find out who are members of the Church of Scientology in my town of Sunland and Tujunga in California 91040, 91042?
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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:03 pm 
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You can try looking for their names on truthaboutscientology.com .

Understand, though, that not everyone who is a scientologist will be listed. This website is maintained by some people who input the names of people listed in scientology magazines as having completed courses at the church. It's not totally up to date, because the magazines come out every month, and they are usually behind. It's still a pretty good resource.

The other thing is we can start a list in this thread, and hopefully people can help update it.

Here are the people on the Neighborhood council. I haven't checked every name, but so far I only see 2 Scientologists. Maybe we can get some help, and people can copy and past the list with updates.

Dan McManus
Tomi Lyn Bowling – Scientologist
David Cain
Cindy Cleghorn
Mark Seigel
Janet Linsalato
John Laue
Brenda Fortune
Barbara Johnson
Araz Parseghian
Belinda J. Woodruff
Linda Grant
Jodie Brittain
Mary Mulally
Cara Decaro
Ricky Grubb
Olina Lowe
John Herget
Richard Stewart – Scientologist

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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:42 pm 
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I'mglib wrote:
You can try looking for their names on truthaboutscientology.com .

Understand, though, that not everyone who is a scientologist will be listed. This website is maintained by some people who input the names of people listed in scientology magazines as having completed courses at the church. It's not totally up to date, because the magazines come out every month, and they are usually behind. It's still a pretty good resource.

Here are the people on the Neighborhood council. I haven't checked every name, but so far I only see 2 Scientologists. Maybe we can get some help, and people can copy and past the list with updates.

Dan McManus
Tomi Lyn Bowling – Scientologist
David Cain
Cindy Cleghorn
Mark Seigel
Janet Linsalato
John Laue
Brenda Fortune
Barbara Johnson
Araz Parseghian
Belinda J. Woodruff
Linda Grant
Jodie Brittain
Mary Mulally
Cara Decaro
Ricky Grubb
Olina Lowe
John Herget
Richard Stewart – Scientologist


Here you go...

* Daniel Richard McManus, 57, Tujunga.. not a Scilon.
* David Michael Cain, 63, Glendale.. .. not "
* Cynthia (Cindy) Sue Cleghorn, 63, Tujunga.. not "
* Mark Eliot Seigel, 54, Tujunga.. not "
* Janet Lee Linsalato, 57, Tujunga.. not "
* John Paul Laue, 65, Sunland.. not "
* Brenda Edna Fortune, 49, Sunland.. not "
* Araz Parseghian, 62, Sunland.. not "
* Belinda Jane Woodruff, 65, Tujunga.. not "
* Linda Grant, 43, Moorpark.. not "
* Jodianne (Jodie) Elaine Brittain, 46, Tujunga.. not "
* Mary Margaret Mulally, 59, Sunland.. not "
* Carolyn (Cara) Marie Decaro, 51, Sunland.. not a Scilon, but her sister Roxanne Decaro Goulston & husband Richard Goulston are..

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... lston.html
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... lston.html

* Ricky John Grubb, 50, Sunland.. not a Scilon
* Olina Francis Lowe, 74, Sunland.. not "
* John Wayne Herget, 65, Sylmar.. not "
* Richard Vern Stewart & wife Barbara Pease Stewart are Scilons.

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... ewart.html

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... ce069.html (Barbara doesn't have a personal listing, but shows in the group listings.)


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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:12 am 
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Smurf wrote:
I'mglib wrote:
You can try looking for their names on truthaboutscientology.com .

Understand, though, that not everyone who is a scientologist will be listed. This website is maintained by some people who input the names of people listed in scientology magazines as having completed courses at the church. It's not totally up to date, because the magazines come out every month, and they are usually behind. It's still a pretty good resource.

Here are the people on the Neighborhood council. I haven't checked every name, but so far I only see 2 Scientologists. Maybe we can get some help, and people can copy and past the list with updates.

Dan McManus
Tomi Lyn Bowling – Scientologist
David Cain
Cindy Cleghorn
Mark Seigel
Janet Linsalato
John Laue
Brenda Fortune
Barbara Johnson
Araz Parseghian
Belinda J. Woodruff
Linda Grant
Jodie Brittain
Mary Mulally
Cara Decaro
Ricky Grubb
Olina Lowe
John Herget
Richard Stewart – Scientologist


Here you go...

* Daniel Richard McManus, 57, Tujunga.. not a Scilon.
* David Michael Cain, 63, Glendale.. .. not "
* Cynthia (Cindy) Sue Cleghorn, 63, Tujunga.. not "
* Mark Eliot Seigel, 54, Tujunga.. not "
* Janet Lee Linsalato, 57, Tujunga.. not "
* John Paul Laue, 65, Sunland.. not "
* Brenda Edna Fortune, 49, Sunland.. not "
* Araz Parseghian, 62, Sunland.. not "
* Belinda Jane Woodruff, 65, Tujunga.. not "
* Linda Grant, 43, Moorpark.. not "
* Jodianne (Jodie) Elaine Brittain, 46, Tujunga.. not "
* Mary Margaret Mulally, 59, Sunland.. not "
* Carolyn (Cara) Marie Decaro, 51, Sunland.. not a Scilon, but her sister Roxanne Decaro Goulston & husband Richard Goulston are..

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... lston.html
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... lston.html

* Ricky John Grubb, 50, Sunland.. not a Scilon
* Olina Francis Lowe, 74, Sunland.. not "
* John Wayne Herget, 65, Sylmar.. not "
* Richard Vern Stewart & wife Barbara Pease Stewart are Scilons.

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... ewart.html

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... ce069.html (Barbara doesn't have a personal listing, but shows in the group listings.)


According to OCMB's cherub, McManus is a Scientologist. http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22998&p=402015#p402015

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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:27 am 
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caroline wrote:
According to OCMB's cherub, McManus is a Scientologist. http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22998&p=402015#p402015
I'd like to see the dox on that.. I can't find a source that shows him or his wife Dyan being Scilons, but I could be wrong. They're not in the Completion Lists, either.

There is an Aussie on Myspace with the same name calling himself a Scilon. http://www.myspace.com/66056159 ???


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 Post subject: Re: Any information on the Sunland-Tujunga Mission?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:49 pm 
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Thanks, Smurf. Great job.

So it looks like we have a question mark next to Daniel Richard McManus for now.

Gold Leaf, let us know if you have the list of Chamber of Commerce members, or other local groups.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:58 am 
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I'mglib wrote:
So it looks like we have a question mark next to Daniel Richard McManus for now.
It may have been assumed, without evidence, that McManus is a Scilon because he's the well-liked & very active President of the Sunland-Tujunga Association. From what I've read on the Foothills Forum, he has a close friendship with Scilon Tami Lyn Bowling.

http://www.thefoothillsforum.com/forum/ ... um.php?f=1

http://www.crescentavalleyweekly.com/be ... d-tujunga/


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