Clay demos are for the retards!

Active Scientologists, beware of clay demos.

Have you ever wondered what the REAL purpose behind those boring clay demos is? Well, I’m gonna tell you one of the best-kept Scientology secrets -- the demos are designed to keep Scientologists at a level of severely mentally retarded individuals.
I was participating in a NYC charity event at a local mental hospital when I saw several patients doing something remarkably resembling Hubbard’s clay demos (at that time I was out of the cult). I asked the supervisor about the purpose of creating clay figures. She said, “These people have trouble with communicating with the outside world. They can barely express their thoughts and emotion. The purpose of this activity is to teach them the basics of communication process”. “Would this activity help normal people in any way?”, I asked. She gave me a strange look as if I said something very stupid and said, “I do not see how”.

I begun digging into psychology books and soon realized that the TR’s are also intended to help people with severe metal illnesses to establish contact with the society. Basically, Hubbard was using data on developmental psychology for mentally handicapped patients to treat fellow Scientologists.

TR-3: Duplicative question
The student repeatedly asks the coach, "Do birds fly?" or "Do fish swim?" If the coach answers the question, the student acknowledges the answer. If the coach says anything else, the student advises the coach that he will repeat the question, and then does so.
TR-4: Originations
The student repeatedly asks the coach a question as in TR-3. If the coach originates a statement unrelated to the question, the student handles the origination as needed and then continues the routine.
And so on. I do not want to repeat all Hubbard’s utterly ridiculous TRs.

Hubbard was crazy as a bedbug and wanted to keep Scientologists at his kevel of mental development. His IQ was extremely low; as a sci-fi writer he was a complete zero. He did contribute ANYTHING to the society for a very simple reason -- he was an extremely ambitions retard with a huge ego and never ending verbal diarrhea.
We, the former Scientologists, have left the Hubbardian crazy shit behind and regained our intellectual dignity -- we are idiots no more. But the active Scientologists are in still in this mental crap up to their eyeballs; they are being treated like mentally defected boys and girls by Miscavige and his goones. The Hubbard thing knew that the best way to keep a person in a cult is to reduce his/her mental capacity to a minimum. The Old Scratch was extremely envious of intelligent people because they constantly reminded him of his incurable mental defects. It is time for active Scientologists to send a clear message to the Church by leaving it. They are no Rondroids, they are much smarter that dimwitted Hubbard.

HUBBARD’S MENTAL RETARDATION.

Have you ever wondered why Hubbard flunked several college courses, including the nuclear physics course, and could not earn highly-desired BS in Civil Engineering? Why his performance in the US Army was inadequate?
Were his failures due to laziness? He was a workaholic, we should give the Fat Man a credit at least for something. He tried hard to earn a college degree but something was holding him back. Our hero was mentally retarded! His medical diagnosis is “MR” This term stands for a mild, or moderate, mental disorder characterized by low IQ and difficulty to communicate.

“About 10% of the mentally retarded population is considered moderately retarded. Moderately retarded individuals have IQ scores ranging from 35-55. They can carry out work and self-care tasks. They typically acquire communication skills in childhood and are able to live and function successfully within the community in a supervised environment”
Online medical dictionary.

To be honest, I have not seen Hubbard’s medical files, so I do not know what is in them. But there is almost unanimous consensus in medical community that a person could be diagnosed with mental disorder posthumously. For example, Hitler was diagnosed as schizophrenic after his death.

I am not an MD, but my cousin is, she is a psychologist. I asked her to diagnose Hubbard, and she concluded that he suffered from MR.
Just because a person dropped out of college does not mean that he is mentally deficient; a lot of great writers were college dropouts.
But there are other symptoms as well leading to conclusion that something was terribly wrong with Hubbard.
Let’s go over those symptoms: 1. He was a megalomaniac. 2. He invented his own words (Scientology dictionary) which is a clear sign of MR. 3. He lived in the world of his silly fantasies (OT levels and other crap). 4. He had uncontrollable flashes of anger 5. He was unable to understand simple concepts such as friendliness and respect for other people’s opinion. 5. His writing style shows endless variations of small number of themes (My cousin studied Battlefield Earth from professional point of view). This is one of the most serious MR symptom; 6. The HCOB language is extremely inflexible and dictator-like. This is another strong indication of Hubbard’s MR.
The list of symptoms is long, and I do not want to bore the readers with them.

Come think of it -- “The most intelligent being in the history of mankind” was an idiot!

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Some MR symptoms are more important than the others. I piled up symptom together without indicating the most important ones. I’m going to improve my presentation now.
The most important symptoms are: 1.His writing style shows endless variations of small number of themes (My cousin studied Battlefield Earth from professional point of view);
2.The HCOB language is extremely inflexible and dictator-like.3. He lived in the world of his silly fantasies (OT levels and other crap).4. He invented his own words (Scientology dictionary)
Still, we need one more symptom that puts his IQ in the 35-55 range. He exhibited this symptom, too -- it is called “inability to understand cause-and-effect relation”. An example of this symptom would be Hubbard’s assertion that cigarette smoking cures lung cancer.
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There are several methods of determination of person’s IQ posthumously; my cousin Fiona, who is a clinical psychologist, chose the one she thinks is the most comprehensive.
I am going to describe the method that Fiona chose.
The method is based on a reasonable assumption that our Universe is a conglomerate of cause-and-effect relations. In order to have a successful and productive life a person must learn to use those relations to his/her advantage. This is a philosophical foundation of the method that Fiona used to calculate Hubbard’s IQ.
In practice, the statements made by a person who passed away are divided into 2 categories: 1. Statements that comply with cause-and-effect relations; 2. Statements that disagree with cause-and-effect relations. After that the ratio of statements of category 1 to statements of category 2 is formed; this ratio is used to determine the person’s IQ range (there is a formula for that).
Hubbard, Hitler, Lenin and some other infamous people made so many statements that it is impossible to catalog all of them. In their cases their statements are selected at random from their books, articles and letters; certain statistical selection procedures are used to avoid bias.
This is how the procedure worked in Hubbard’s case: Fiona bought several books by Hubbard and used biometrics table of random numbers to select pages from them. After that she cataloged statements presented on those pages; in total 100 pages were selected, which produced about 450 statements (not everything on a page is considered a statement). In the end the aforementioned ration was calculated, which put Hubbard’s IQ in the MR range.
For those interested in mathematical statistics: Usually, 100 statements is enough, the precision improves only slightly if 1000 or more statements are used. Besides, we do not need the exact Hubbard’s IQ, we need just his IQ range.

No, I don't think Hubbard was retarded. And if he suffered from dementia it was probably during his last years when body, mind and spirit were breaking down. I think that he just liked to get off on getting people to do dumb, simple-minded things just to prove he could do it, lead them by the nose. Make them look like idiots. The clay demos were just another example of that, along with pointless, silly mindless stuff like talking to ashtrays and auditing tomatoes. He was actually debasing them by getting them to play with clay like kindergarten students. It gave him a sense of mastery over them.

I think sociopathic is probably much closer to the mark than retarded. I actually think Hubbard was somewhat brilliant, albeit an insane con artist.

About a week ago, when it was linked to here, I ended up reading Battlefield Spork and I really think that gave me an insight into LRH like almost nothing else I had read. I originally read Battlefield Earth when I was in high school and a buddy of mine gave me his copy, (we weren't scilons, just sci-fi/fantasy nerds). At the time any Scientology references went right over my head.

While reading Battlefield Spork however, what really struck me was that Jonny Goodboy Tyler was exactly how LRH envisioned himself. In his mind, he was brilliant and noble and everybody would naturally adore him and follow him, unless they had some sinister motive that is. IMO, Battlefield Earth is a fictionalized version of LRH's delusions of grandeur and it's really eye opening what an egomaniac the man was.

Hi, Demented LRH. Welcome to clambake.

This is quite a first post. You raise some interesting questions, that I am sure people will weigh in on.

I don't think that something being used as a therapy technique for mentally challenged individuals cannot be used elsewhere or would turn the person into a mentally challenged individual.

Were that the case, no one could have food, sleep, or medicine since mentally challenged individuals are given all those things in institutions.

What Hubbard has written in his bulletins about doing clay demos (plasticine demos actually) is never actually practiced in course rooms in scientology. As a result it is difficult to evaluate what is behind clay demos.

The bulletins indicate that clay demos are something on which a person needs to spend time in working out and working through concepts and ideas. However, in the course room a clay demo is worth something like fifty points with no points allocated for time spent doing one. Therefore actually applying what is written in the bulletins goes against the course supervisor and the student getting student points, which negatively affects their "stats."

As a result, although the plasticine is in scientology course rooms along with card material for labels, essentially the "tech" of doing clay demos has been dispensed with. One course supervisor said that the way to do clay demos is to work them out before doing them so that time spent on them could be minimized. Of course he didn't go on to add that as a result his stats could be maximized.

From what is written in the bulletins on clay demos they are also used in auditing, although I have never heard of an auditor asking for plasticine or anyone talking about wins doing clay demos in session.

My own experience with doing clay demos was that they were kind of fun but I never found them useful or helpful. Unlike children playing with plasticine at home or in an educational or recreational environment, the use of the material and the way it is used in scientology does not promote creativity in any way.

Well it doesn't matter how inappropriate & useless clay demos are you'll never get Tom Cruise to stop using them because with his dianetically "repaired" dyslexia it is the only way he can figure out how to run his life!



P.S. Fluffy that was not a good analogy as things actually do have their appropriate uses that do not fit for all of those in a society. I mean we do put babies in diapers (and the very old &/or incontinent), give them play blocks & plastic keys and breast feed them but you don't see most of the rest of society using those things as they would not be appropriate (though I wouldn't mind a bar where I could go at lunch to get breast fed! ) or serve any purpose!

I would like to thank everyone for the inputs.

Shortly about myself -- I am a member of WWP, their website has my profile.
I started 8 threads there. All my threads are doing fine except for Clay Demos & Hubbard’s Dementia -- it was moved to the basement (Thunderdome) where only the group members can read it, the outside visitors, who are active Scientologists, cannot see it. The reason for its removal from public view is that I did not present a documented proof of Hubbard having MR.

I think that it is important that active Scientologists, who also visit this website, know as much as possible about the thing called LRH.

I will continue building my case that Hubbard was a retard.
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I am going to present another proof that Hubbard was not a conman but a retard (I’m getting a little help from Fiona with this presentation -- I have her notes in front of me).
A conman never contradicts himself because a contradiction makes his position extremely vulnerable. For example, a conman could say, “When I was at the top of a mountain Jesus, Moses and Buddha came to see me. They said that they could not complete the work that God gave them, and now it is my job to complete what they had started”. I am not making this up -- pastor Moon told this crap to his followers. Pastor Moon stuck to his story and never changed it.
Hubbard made so many contradictory statements that everyone lost track of them. But two of his statements stand out because they bite DM and other church elders in the ass (Hubbard is dead, nothing can bite him now).
In his poem, Hymn to Asia, Hubbard proclaimed that he is the incarnation of Buddha. But his OT data, which came after the Hymn, says that Buddha is an implant. Why would Hubbard contradict himself? Let’s take a look at all possible scenarios.
I. Hubbard did not believe that he is Buddha. He also did not believe that Buddha is an implant.
It seems that this scenario indicates that Hubbard was a conman. But if he were a conman, he would never contradict himself. Therefore, this scenario is not realistic.
II. Hubbard believed he is Buddha, but he did not believe that Buddha is an implant.
Then what he could possibly gain by saying that Buddha is an implant? There is no gain, which means that this scenario is also not realistic.
III. Hubbard did not believe that he is Buddha, but he believed that Buddha is an implant.
This is kind of self-humiliating -- Hubbard was saying that he is an implant! Clearly, this scenario is not realistic.
IV. Hubbard believed that he is Buddha. He also believed that Buddha is an implant.
This is the only remaining possibility, which means that it must be the case. It also shows that Hubbard was not a conman -- he was a madman. More precisely, he had MR.

If you want anyone to take you seriously, start by getting a clue that "retard" is generally considered an extremely insensitive and offensive term.

The only case you've built is that you're either a troll or a jackass. No wonder you got ' domed on WWP.

I think I concur here.
Whilst the OP actually provides an okay breakdown, the constant/incessant use of "retard" pointedly and ostensibly appears to just be thrown out as an insult to be disparaging towards hubtard.

I think the OP should be a lurkmoar to understand exactly how it may be that the contradictions or LRH don't fly in the face of scientologits.

The officilal medical diagnosis I was referring to is Mild (or Moderate) Mental Retardation, so the use of word "retard" is correct. If someone got offended by it, that person should check his IQ to make sure that he does not fall into Hubbard's category. So far I see one post whose author is at Hubbard's mental level. I feel for you, dude!

This is more than a little ridiculous. People with IQ's in the 35-55 range don't write novels, don't attend engineering courses in college, (apparently passing most of them), and don't manage to con otherwise intelligent people like Jack Parsons, (who really was a rocket scientist), and Warren Magnuson.

An IQ in the 35-55 range is three standards of deviation from average at the high end and four at the low end. Simply put, with an IQ that low you'll probably never learn to tie your shoes, much less read and write.

Modelling is what Freudians would call a compromise formation. The idea of modelling enables Hubbard to express in a semi-socially-acceptable way his desire to mould his followers. At the same time, actually obliging his followers to play around with plasticine exhibits and promotes this mouldability.

I have asked many Freudian psychoanalysts about this and they all say the same: "Compromise formation. Extreme grandiosity." One of them added: "Narcissistic overtones". Another one added "Penis envy". But they all agreed on the basic point.

None of them give any credence to Demented LRH's preposterous notions, which they attribute to "Trollish infantilism. Attempting to provoke the Father. Incestuous desire for the Mother". One of them added "Or maybe for the sister". Another one added "Penis envy". But they all agreed on the troll bit.

Another unmistakable sign of MR is inability to do the simplest arithmetical calculations. Hubbard, in his infinite stupidity, said that one of the goals of CoS is to “clear the planet”. But that could not be done for a very simple reason -- the population growth rate far exceeds the clearing rate.
At the WWP website I started a thread called Crappy Management Series. One of our members did the calculations showing that clearing of the planet cannot be done, his formulas are on that thread. The calculations are tedious but elementary. Hubbard was unable to do similar calculations because of his innate idiocy.
The Management Series is a hogwash, not a single manager in his right mind would use Hubbard’s statistical techniques. I know what I am talking about -- I am a real estate broker who analyzes stock performances. I would lose my job if I apply Management Series to my stock research.
Hubbard tried hard to grasp the math, I should give him a credit for that -- he took several math courses at the college. But he was unable to earn a college degree for one reason -- the math courses were far beyond his mental grasp.
Calling Hubbard a “retard” is an understatement and, perhaps, a compliment. I do want to insult him, so I call him an “imbecile”.
In the next post I will explain how people with low IQ can sometimes run corporations and even governments.
One of the members made a remark that with MR IQ a person cannot tie shoe laces. The remark is incorrect, that would be someone below MR level, which is severe mental retardation.
I will explain in subsequent posts what people with MR can and cannot do. For now I just say that I met two people with MR -- he works as a mailman, and she is a seamstress

It looks like youhave a good knowledge of Freud's body of work. Perhaps his followers tried to fix you. It looks to me they did a poor job.