I provided definition of mental retardation in a earlier posting.

Let’s take a look at the entire situation -- here is a piece of Scientology history.
In 1985 Los Angeles Times published an article revealing for the first time OT 3 data. Immediately after its publication CoS organized large demonstrations of Scientologists who vehemently objected the release of the OT data.
In 1988 CoS tried to block unsuccessfully release of the book Messiah and Madman because it contained OT 3 data.
In 1983 Hubbard wrote a screenplay, Revolt in the Stars, based on OT 3 data, including Xenu, exploding volcanoes, etc (excerpts from this screenplay could be found on the Internet) Hubbard tried to sell the screenplay to a movie production company, but not a single company was interested in his crap.
Let’s say for the sake of argument that a company had bought Hubbard’s play and made a movie base on it. That would be a serious damage to CoS -- the same damage that the Los Angeles Times article did to the Church.
Why would Hubbard try to sabotage his own Church? No conman would ever attempt to do that. But a retard could easily do that because he cannot predict consequences of his own actions. This is the only explanation of the story that I can come up with -- due to his mental retardation Hubbard tried to harm his Church.
You may disagree with my assessment, but then you have to provide an explanation of why would a conman try to undermine his own cause if you want to prove that Hubbard was a crook.
Can you provide such explanation?

Soderqvist1: L. Ron Hubbard didn’t try to sabotage Scientology!
Revolt in the Star was a screenplay written 1970. He predicted the outcome in a way a Madman who believed in his own hype would do!



Soderqvist1: The Book; ”A Beautiful Mind” of the Nobel Laureate in Economics John Nash was a paranoid schizophrenic who believed that his delusion was real!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr.

Soderqvist1: it is significant that you have ignored how a retarded could build up GO Guardian Office an organization in the word of Ted Gunderson, former head of the FBI's Los Angeles office, quoted in TIME May 6, 1991: "In my opinion the church has one of the most effective intelligence operations in the U.S. rivaling even that of the FBI."
http://www.xenu.net/archive/judge_quotes.html

Soderqvist1: John Nash was a genius in mathematics, just as L. Ron Hubbard was a genius in Black Arts!

Soderqvist1: Kurt Godel the Twenty Century’s greatest Logician died of starvation in a hospital because he acted upon his delusion that the world was out to poison him!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_G%C3%B6del

I am glad that you provided Hubbard's explanation of the release of Revolt in the Stars -- it shows that he did not understand how harmful a release of the screenplay to CoS could be -- if you read the script, you will see that this is, basically, OT 3 data, except for the ending -- Xenu was put in some kind of coma and fed intravenously instead of his thetan being put in electric trap. But everytrhing elese is exactly the same as in the Internet OT stories (I am not an OT, so I cannot judge from personal experience how correct the data is)
Nash was diagnosed with PS, you are right about that. But he did not have hallucinations, which shows that his IQ was unharmed. I have some interesting data about NAsh, but it is on my home computer. I will post it either today after I get home, or tomorrow morning.

"Soderqvist1: L. Ron Hubbard didn’t try to sabotage Scientology!
Revolt in the Star was a screenplay written 1970. He predicted the outcome in a way a Madman who believed in his own hype would do!"

I like this quotation because it proves my point -- in his mind, Hubbard was doing everything right -- certainly, he did not think that release of Revolt would sagotage Scientology. But in reality that would have been a serious blow to the cult.

Besides, Soderqvist calls Hubbard a "madman". I would like to know what he meant by that. Madness and low IQ go hand-in-hand.
I will provide more examples of Hubbard's MR -- they are scattered all over his works; I'll try to bring at least some of them to this thread

No, madness and low IQ do not go hand in hand.

Nash was mad. Bobby Fischer was mad. Pythagoras was mad. Howard Hughes was mad. Vincent Van Gogh was mad. Nietzsche was mad. Nikola Tesla was mad, etc...

Retardation is evident from a very young age. The various forms of insanity generally don't occur or become apparent until adulthood.

The Nash diagnosis.
This info about Nash comes from Wikipedia.
“He was admitted to the McLean Hospital, April–May 1959, where he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. The clinical picture is dominated by relatively stable, often paranoid, fixed beliefs that are either false, over-imaginative or unrealistic, usually accompanied by experiences of seemingly real perception of something not actually present — particularly auditory and perceptional disturbances, a lack of motivation for life, and mild clinical depression”
The term used in the article is “disturbance” not “hallucination” Apparently, there is a difference between perceptional disturbance and hallucination. Absence of hallucinations explains Nash’s high IQ.
“Illusion is a milder form of perceptional disturbance in which the outside object causing the stimuli is real but the person misinterprets the objects. It may involve any of the senses but auditory and visual are most common”
Illusion definitions from Quizlet. www.quizlet.com

All right. The word "mad" or "madness" means different things to differrent people. I was just suggesting a POSSIBLE interpretation.

Retardation is not necessarily evident from a young age. One of its risk factors is the use of drugs, which means it could develop at any age. I can provide references supporting my assertion if you wish.

No, that's brain damage. It can happen from drugs, injury, stroke and probably many other things as well, but it's not generally considered the same as retardation unless the brain damage occurred in utero.

People who are brain damaged usually have much different cognitive abilities and behavior from those who are retarded. My father for example, after a stroke, could still drive, discuss subjects like Quantitative Easing and inflation and otherwise appeared to be a normal, college educated man in his 70's. For about 6 months though, he couldn't read anything more complicated than the funny pages and the staircase he built shortly afterward looked pretty suspect.

As far as retardation developing at any age, retardation by definition only develops before age 18. If learning impairments develop after that age, then medically they are not retardation.

I am presenting a lot of data, I know. I could not find a single Internet reference, so I had to piece all articles together. It would be easier to use a textbook on psychology.
To sum everything up: 1) people diagnosed with schizophrenia who have persistent hallucinations also have self-recognition deficit. Lack of proper self-recognition indicates mental retardation. 2) Use of drugs could cause paranoid schizophrenia characterized by persistent hallucinations and low IQ.
Paranoid Schizophrenia Risk Factors:
1) Family History
2) Maternal Illness During Pregnancy.
3) Maternal Nutritional Deficiency During Pregnancy.
4) Medical Problems During Pregnancy and Birth.
5) A child born to an older father
6) Childhood abuse and other trauma .
7) Low IQ.
Stressful Life Circumstances.
9) Use of drugs
Difference between schizophrenia and paranoid schizophrenia
Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it difficult to tell the difference between real and unreal experiences, to think logically, to have normal emotional responses, and to behave normally in social situations. Paranoid schizophrenia is one of several types of schizophrenia, paranoid schizophrenia is a serious, lifelong condition that can lead to many complications, including suicidal behavior.
Symptoms
* Auditory hallucinations, such as hearing voices
* Delusions, such as believing a co-worker wants to poison you
* Anxiety
Anger
* Emotional distance
* Violence
* Argumentativeness
* Self-important or condescending manner
www.medic4help.com
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Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_an_adult_ ... z1TXUt2RRh
Q. Can an adult who is diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia also be retarded?

A. Yeah they can, it's called "Propfschizophrenie". They used to think that antipsychotics were causing the intellectual disability (which is what you should call it instead of retardation) but later research found out that it only happens because they're co-occuring.
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'Pfropfschizophrenie' revisited. Schizophrenia in people with mild learning disability.
Doody GA, Johnstone EC, Sanderson TL, Owens DG, Muir WJ.
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
It is reported that people with mild learning disability have a higher point prevalence of schizophrenia than the normal population, the reasons for which are unclear.
METHOD:
Thirty-nine subjects with mild learning disability and schizophrenia, 34 control subjects with schizophrenia and 28 control subjects with mild learning disability were seen. Interviews with relatives and carers were also conducted. Assessments were made of clinical variables, psychopathology, neurological 'soft' signs, IQ, memory and family history. Blood was taken for karyotypic analysis from comorbid subjects.
RESULTS:
The comorbid group had more negative symptoms, episodic memory deficits, soft neurological signs, epilepsy and receive more community supports than control subjects with schizophrenia. Comorbid subjects had a tendency to belong to multiply affected families and show high rates of chromosomal variants on routine karyotypic testing.
CONCLUSIONS:
Future work on the generality of schizophrenia should include people with premorbid learning disability, as a discrete subtype from whom valuable genetic aetiological clues may be obtained.
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Premorbid IQ varies across different definitions of schizophrenia
ANNICK URFER PARNAS,1 LENNART JANSSON,1 PETER HANDEST,1 JAN NIELSEN,2 DITTE SÆBYE,3,4 and JOSEF PARNAS1
“This study demonstrates that only certain diagnostic definitions of schizophrenia are associated with lower IQ. There is a higher premorbid IQ in the patients diagnosed by broad definitions, which pick up a higher number of persons with schizophrenia (ICD-8/9 and Flexible System- Wide). As a function of its lowest number of detected schizophrenia patients, the ICD-10 may be considered as the most restrictive system, favouring selection of more chronic patients with lower IQ.”

Self-recognition Deficits in Schizophrenia Patients With Auditory Hallucinations: A Meta-analysis of the Literature
Todd Woodward, Paul Allen.
“We found significantly reduced self-recognition performance in schizophrenia patients, which was more pronounced in patients with auditory hallucinations compared with patients without. In patients with hallucinations, this pattern of performance was specific to self-recognition processes and not to the recognition of new external information. A striking finding was the homogeneity in results across studies regardless of the action modality, timing delay, and design used to measure self-recognition. In summary, this review of studies from the last 30 years substantiates the view that self-recognition is impaired in patients with schizophrenia and particularly those with auditory hallucinations. This suggests an association, perhaps a causal one, between such deficit and hallucinatory experiences in schizophrenia“
Self-Recognition Ability in Mentally Retarded Adolescents
Journal article by Jerry L. Fryrear, Thomas L. Kodera, M. J. Kennedy; Journal of Psychology, Vol. 108, 1981
“Self-recognition abilities of 30 mentally retarded adolescents were mea-
sured using an optical system and a psychophysical scaling procedure that
results in a recognition threshold. Compared with college freshmen, the
experimental group had significantly higher thresholds (p = .00003). Males
were better than females at recognizing full-face self-images (p = .0238).
Results were discussed in terms of the retarded adolescents' greater depen-
dency on specific visual cues. The method is discussed as an advance over
previous self-recognition methods because of accuracy and the capability of
measuring a range of self-recognition abilities“.
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Did Hubbard hallucinate? If he was going OT, he, definitely, did -- there is ample evidence that OTs hallucinate. If he invented Xenu stories and other things without experiencing that stuff, then he did not hallucinate.
The above text shows that the use of drugs is a risk factor as far as paranoid schizophrenia is concerned. There is plenty of stories on the Internet describing Hubbard’s use of drugs since early adulthood.
A reasonable assumption in Hubbard’s case would be that his use of drugs caused his paranoid schizophrenia, which is characterized by low IQ.
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My cousin and the Swedish psychiatrist did not meet Hubbard in person, they provided posthumous diagnoses of his mental state. Their diagnoses support each other, but there is no substitute for a direct measurement of Hubbard’s IQ.

Addendum.
I just found this article on the Internet. It is about schizophrenia in children, but it proves my point that hallucinations are accompanied with low IQ.
I found similar article about adults 3 months ago, but now I cannot find it.

“Child schizophrenia is a chronic mental illness characterized by hallucinations, delusions, irrational behavior and thinking, and an inability to carry out daily routines, according to the Mayo Clinic. Child schizophrenia occurs early in life often before the teen years and resembles adult schizophrenia. The cause of child schizophrenia is unknown.
Hallucinations
Children with schizophrenia hear voices and see things that are not real, according to the Mayo Clinic. To others, these children appear to be focused on something in the room that does not exist or be listening to someone that is not present. Often the voices are disapproving, rude or abusive. Hallucinations tend to intensify when the child is alone. During the hallucinations, children with schizophrenia may appear dazed and distant, almost as if they are living inside of their heads. They may appear to be in a deep conversation with an imaginary
Extreme Mood Swings
Extreme moodiness is a common symptom of child schizophrenia, according to American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. They may be happy and upbeat one moment and angry and aggressive the next. These children tend to have periods of confusion followed by a lack of emotion. When these children become confused, they may stare at people or objects for long periods of time. It is common for these children to suddenly dislike activities that they once enjoyed, have low energy or have no interest in life, preferring to spend most of their days asleep.
Delusions
The International Mental Health Research Organization states that children with schizophrenia tend to have beliefs that are not based on reality. These children refuse to change their strong beliefs even when they are presented with evidence to the contrary. Schizophrenic children are at risk of suffering a "break from reality" as their beliefs become more distorted and disorganized. They may think they are being followed or they may believe that the radio is transmitting secret messages to them. These children may become paranoid and think that their parents or teachers are out to hurt them or they may believe that their classmates are talking about them when in reality they are not.
Disorganized Thinking and Speech
Schizophrenic children tend to have problems with concentration, memory and speech, according to the website Neuroscience for Kids. Many schizophrenic children have hallucinations or delusions making focusing on tasks challenging. They have difficulties remembering things and expressing their thoughts and feelings so that people can understand what they want. These children usually have trouble following a project or task from the beginning to the end, shifting their focus halfway through the task. In addition, they generally do poorly in school because of their low IQ scores and low verbal abilities. These children lack the ability to speak clearly and concisely. They often provide short and empty answers when they are asked questions.
About this Author
Dr. R.Y. Langham was a senior writer for "The Herald" magazine from 1996-1999. She holds a Bachelor of Arts from Fisk University in English, a master's degree from Trevecca Nazarene University in marriage and family therapy and a doctorate from Capella University in family psychology. Her dissertation on child sexual abuse was published by ProQuest in 2007

Children with a low IQ (intelligence quotient) have an increased risk of developing mental health problems such as schizophrenia, depression and generalized anxiety disorder. These are the findings of a study spanning 30 years, and published in the Journal of Psychiatry. Findings were based on a sample of 1,037 children born in 1972-73 in Dunedin, New Zealand.
The association between low IQ and psychiatric disorders is long suspected. IQ is regarded as a kind of cognitive reserve which appears to provide additional resilience and protection from mental health problems. People with higher IQs seem, in general, to be less vulnerable to a range of mental health problems.
In the study, children were first assessed at the age of three and then every two years until the age of 15. Four additional assessments were then made at ages 18, 21, 26 and 32. Psychiatric disorders were assessed between ages 18 to 32 by clinicians who were unaware of the IQ of the person they were evaluating.
Study author and lead researcher professor Karestan Koenen, of the Harvard School of Public Health, said adults with lower childhood IQ have more persistent depression and anxiety and were more likely to be diagnosed with two or more disorders.
Quite what the mechanism is that relates lower childhood IQ with mental health problems in later life, is not really understood. Certain mental health problems, such as obsessive-compulsive disorder, simple phobia or panic disorder, are not associated. Still, the research team speculate that low childhood IQ may indicate that not all is well with the general health of the brain and this increases vulnerability to certain disorders. It may also be the case that people with a lower IQ are less able to manage the complexities of modern-day living and succumb more easily to stress.
The message to health professionals is that people with mental health problems are more likely to seek help on a frequent basis. Professor Koenin suggests that people with lower cognitive abilities may struggle to adhere to treatment advice. If cognitive abilities are assessed early on it may help health professionals to tailor treatment packages that stand a better chance of being followed.
Jerry Kennard of Associated Press.
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Substance use
The relationship between schizophrenia and drug use is complex, meaning that a clear causal connection between drug use and schizophrenia has been difficult to distinguish. There is strong evidence that using certain drugs can trigger either the onset or relapse of schizophrenia in some people. It may also be the case, however, that people with schizophrenia use drugs to overcome negative feelings associated with both the commonly prescribed antipsychotic medication and the condition itself, where negative emotion, paranoia and anhedonia are all considered to be core features. Amphetamines trigger the release of dopamine and excessive dopamine function is believed to be at least partly responsible for the psychotic symptoms of schizophrenia (a theory known as the dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia). This is, in part, supported by the fact that amphetamines reliably worsen the symptoms of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia can be triggered by heavy use of hallucinogenic or stimulant drugs. One study suggests that cannabis use can contribute to psychosis, though the researchers suspected cannabis use was only a small component in a broad range of factors.
Epidemiology.
Schizophrenia occurs equally in males and females although typically appears earlier in men with the peak ages of onset being 20–28 years for males and 26–32 years for females. Much rarer are instances of childhood-onset and late- (middle age) or very-late-onset (old age) schizophrenia. The lifetime prevalence of schizophrenia, that is, the proportion of individuals expected to experience the disease at any time in their lives, is commonly given at 1%. A 2002 systematic review of many studies, however, found a lifetime prevalence of 0.55%.”
Wikipedia.
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Hubbard’s use of drugs could have triggered paranoid schizophrenia at an age of 20-28 long before Dianetics and Scientology were put forward --says Demented LRH
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Schizophrenia is redefined a century later
When expressed as a psychotic episode with delusions, hallucinations of voices and paranoid behavior, usually at the beginning of adulthood, schizophrenia is in its final stages and could have been detected earlier. This is the general opinion of experts, as the comprehensive report issued today by the journal Nature on this complex mental illness that affects 1% of world population and was defined a century ago.
experts, however, agree on the desirability of early detection campaigns, given the danger of false positive and there is still no effective preventive treatment. Where I do agree on is that it is a disease of the brain associated with the development of the psychosis is only a part. A far cry from the psychoanalytic approach that prevailed for much of the last century. “Think of schizophrenia as a neurodevelopmental disorder in which psychosis is a final phase that is potentially preventable, (….) Gives us new hope for prevention and cure for the next two decades,” writes Thomas R. Insel, National Institute of Mental Health U.S..
In the past 20 years has accumulated a wealth of information on the genetics (43 genes have been associated with the disorder), metabolic, brain structure and symptoms associated with schizophrenia, but the causes of the disease remain mystery. “I do not even understand schizophrenia in the biological aspect,” says Thomas Laughren, director of psychiatric medications in the U.S. Food and Drug FDA. In fact, scientists are considering it as a set of syndromes rather than a single disease.
What I have since before the buds are cognitive deficits (associated with a low IQ), emotional disorders, and loss of motivation and social skills. A serious problem for the identification of the symptoms is that coincide with adolescence, a turbulent time in the development of any person associated with changes in the brain. “The problem is that early symptoms are not very specific. At a time when the thought, emotion and behavior change much anyway, these early indicators are very difficult to distinguish what is normalcy, “said Robert Freedman, a psychiatrist and author of madness of us
This is why it was difficult to determine that Hubbard was a mental case for the most of his life - says Demented LRH.
Eight centers in North America are trying, however, the study NAPS. In 2008, the group identified 291 adolescents and young adults with a high risk of psychosis. After two and a half years identifying 35% of those identified had suffered psychotic episodes. With the further development of predictive algorithms, these experts say that one can predict with 80% probability.
Other studies go much further. One followed for 45 years people born in Copenhagen showed that adults with schizophrenia had matured later than normal, even during its first year of life. Another study indicates that children who later develop schizophrenia have a persistent low IQ“
Rutten, University of Maastricht..
Compiled from MemeuFacture.
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I presented plenty of evidence showing that paranod schizophrenia (PS) could be caused by the use of drugs. Everyone knows that Hubbard was taking hallucinogenic drugs.
A form of PS which is accompanied by hallucinations is also characterized by low IQ.
Now I do not have to rely on my cousin's unpublished article to prove that Hubbard had an IQ of a menrtally retarded person. It is clear that PS coupled with hallucinations is also a cause of low IQ.
It does not matter whether Hubbard was born as a retard or became one at a young adult age (20 -28 years old) because of the use of drugs. The point is that the Dianetics and Scientology works are the products of the retarded individual.

My workload is light today, so I have time to discuss Hubbard’s mental retardation.

Luckily for CoS, the screenplay Revolt in the Stars was so bad that not a single movie production company was interested in it. But Hubbard’s other book, Have You lived Before, became the best anti-Scientology tool.

If I were a conman trying to sell the idea of past lives to my followers, I would have invented the stories of people who were able to recall their past lives as the result of my auditing (I’m not saying that past live do not exist, I’m just pretending that my past lives recall procedure is the only one with reliable results). To make past live recalls look REALISTIC, I would claim that my PCs were peasants, engineers, porters, rocket scientists, etc, in their past lives -- nothing out of ordinary.

Hubbard did the exact opposite -- the stories of past lives presented in Have You Lived Before are so outlandish that they became a subject of ridicule causing serious harm to CoS.
His own story is equally crazy -- he was hit by a train while crossing railroad tracks on Mars (perhaps, it was some other planet, I’m not sure). But the earth is the only planet in Solar system capable of sustaining life. By making this assertion Hubbard made a fool of himself.

Did he believe in the past lives stories he presented in Have You Lived Before? There are two possibilities:
1. He, as a conman, invented those stories. But why he did not write more realistic past live stories thus saving himself from being a laughing stock?
2. He believed that those stories were true. This begs the question --why he was unable to analyze his PCs’ stories, which were a complete garbage? Because of his mental retardation! This is the only possible explanation.

But things were much worse than that -- a person would not present an outrageous recall of his past live because those strange things did not happen to him. Hubbard’s account of the auditing session is nothing more than a description of his own hallucinations! That is the mental retardation at its best! (or worse, depending on the person)

Have You Lived Before.

A few people, however, believed that they had been animals before being humans in this life, and elsewhere, Hubbard told the story of a "psychotic" girl who recovered after she worked through an earlier life as a lion who ate its keeper. Hubbard also said that some intelligent dogs or horses might have once been generals or ministers of state who were taking it easy for a life or two to cure them of their ulcers.
Most of the Scientologists who relived their past lives believed that they had once been plain people, or very often space people, and for plots, their histories read like a type of science-fiction sadomasochism. Many of the preclears believed that they had lived on other planets, and that the most unimaginably terrible things happened to them during "wars between worlds and celestial travel between universes whose existence was not even suspected before Hubbard's time
One preclear remembered that when he was in another life and was five years old he was "already on the lookout for brothels," by fourteen or fifteen had learned all about "sex and homosexuals," and by sixteen had killed his father, baby, and captain, breaking up the body of the last, before finally being taken away to the "Zap machine" where he was decapitated and his arms and body placed in a space coffin
Accounts of other past lives included: one man who accidentally stabbed his pregnant wife in the stomach with clippers, thereby killing his baby; one who intentionally raped and killed his wife; and one who somehow accidentally killed his twelve-year-old daughter with a pitchfork when he caught her having intercourse.
A sexually neurotic woman who refused to open her legs during childbirth, so that her baby had to be born while she was lying on her side, traced her problem back to another life in which she claimed to have been tortured and killed by being cut with a knife "down the center of her genitalia."