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Tad, the "outspoken" scientologist, from D.C.

Post by Sponge » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:44 pm

If Scientology is Going to Survive, Maybe It Should Listen to This Guy
by Tony Ortega, Village Voice 19th July 2011
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... tology.php

I wonder if Tad is going find life more diffiicult down at the org after daring to have independent thought and publically criticising source.
Not that I think that anything he has to say about Hubbard's batshit means anything.

Edit: Article has been updated. See above link.

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Post by Dorothy » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:19 pm

Sponge wrote:If Scientology is Going to Survive, Maybe It Should Listen to This Guy
by Tony Ortega, Village Voice 19th July 2011
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... tology.php

I wonder if Tad is going find life more diffiicult down at the org after daring to have independent thought and publically criticising source.
Not that I think that anything he has to say about Hubbard's batshit means anything.
I don't see where he publicly criticizes source (LRon). All he's saying is those original note-takers in the book "Notes on the Lectures" grossly mis-duplicated LRon's words. He realized this after listening to the new, updated recordings of the original lectures. Then he has the "cognition" about how the religious scriptures of other religions must have been grossly mis-duplicated in the same way. Yeesh, that only serves to make McSavage even better in Tad's eyes, for making the "true tech" available. That's why this:
After giving David Miscavige and Scientology's ecclesiastical clearinghouse, the Religious Technology Center, a plug for their dedication to finding and preserving Hubbard's every word...

I am sure that each entry into Tad's "blog" gets I/A (Issue Approval) before being published. BTW, every graduation "win" speech given at Flag MUST include a plug for RTC, just like this speech of Tad's. It is required, and it must be required on Tad's blog as well.

No, Tad won't be in any trouble. Ortega doesn't quite get this, but he sees some evidence of what appears to be intelligence coming from a scientologist, which I guess surprised him, like OMG! The patient appears to have a pulse!
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Post by Sponge » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:39 pm

I see what you mean.

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Post by operatingwog » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:56 pm

Dorothy wrote:I don't see where he publicly criticizes source (LRon).
It is critical of the old loon by implication, though, isn't it? Ron sucking in the cash from a book which is -- according to Tad -- a squirrely misunderstanding of "source". Didn't Ron read it to check it was "on source"? Was he only concerned about the money?

(Hmmm. Wonder what the answers to those rhetorical questions might be.)

(And what about Miscavige? Making scientologists buy the same materials over again because they had, allegedly, been mistranscribed. But then somehow not worrying about a course based on a book which Tad says is completely -- "pretty horrifying[ly]" -- off-source? Hmmm. Wonder how that could happen.)
“These guys are crazy. And all of this shit is straight out of the L. Ron Hubbard playbook. That’s their scriptures. They say they’re not a turn-the-other-cheek religion. No. They’re a knock-you-down-and-kick-you-in-the-balls religion.” Jason Beghe

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Post by Dorothy » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:33 pm

operatingwog wrote:
Dorothy wrote:I don't see where he publicly criticizes source (LRon).
It is critical of the old loon by implication, though, isn't it? Ron sucking in the cash from a book which is -- according to Tad -- a squirrely misunderstanding of "source". Didn't Ron read it to check it was "on source"? Was he only concerned about the money?

(Hmmm. Wonder what the answers to those rhetorical questions might be.)

(And what about Miscavige? Making scientologists buy the same materials over again because they had, allegedly, been mistranscribed. But then somehow not worrying about a course based on a book which Tad says is completely -- "pretty horrifying[ly]" -- off-source? Hmmm. Wonder how that could happen.)
To get a feel for this kind of writing in scientology, I suggest you read some of the "Advance Magazine" articles. It usually contains an article about other religions and practices and compares them with scientology. The article always has a hook to make one think about how scientology is better. (I dk where to direct you for "Advance mag" articles, sorry) On the surface it can appear to be thoughtful, well researched discourse on religions and various other practices. But it it is always slanted in one singular direction.

Tad wrote:
Every religion has this issue to one degree or another. From the Bhagavad-Gita to the King James edition of the bible, so many enlightened texts have relied in whole or in part on the interpretation of another (or of committees & parliamentary bodies) on what the founder originally taught.
^This statement simply makes the case for why scientology study tech is needed.

Tad writes:
Now, I've had the opportunity to read the previously-issued Notes on the Lectures book nearly-back-to-back with the actual lectures that Mr. Hubbard gave, and the result is pretty horrifying. There are some portions of the book where you can fairly well understand which lecture it is that the student note-takers were talking about, as it seemed they were tracking with the lecture. In other places, though -- especially with some of the diagrams they came up with, it seems like they either missed the point entirely, or were making up their own vision of what Mr. Hubbard was talking about.
The key here is previously issued. What does that mean? It means the original version of NOTL. It means, he is making the case that proves the "transcribers" messed up, and that David Miscavige has re-written LRon's tech in its correct, original form. The new, DM version of NOTL has probably removed the interpretations of the students that are in the original book. The whole point of "The Basics" was that the "transcribers" messed up. This is not LRon's fault. It is the editors and transcribers' fault. (Or I suppose it is possible that LRon did not have a problem publishing the student's interpretations of his work at that time, but that is impossible to know). Here, Tad "sees the light": how LRon tech can be misinterpreted by others. This makes Tad indebted to Miscavige for giving him "the correct" technology. It is the application of "KSW" all the way. Hence the accolades for RTC within the blog.

There is no way tad is on staff at DC org and is writing a "blog" about scientology without full permission and IA (Issue Authority). No Scientologist is permitted to write anything about LRon's work or the church without "Issue Authority". In the case of the DC org, the local "Issue Authority" would be the post called "LRH Communicator" (LRH Comm for short).

From scientology's Admin Dictionary:
ISSUE AUTHORITY, 1. prior approval from Office of LRH to issue or publish (whether or not previously issued), i.e. "new" books, booklets, magazines, all proposed promo pieces, hand-outs, mailings,( ...long list of acronyms).
For example, a WISE management/consulting business must get I/A for all publications. They pay huge dollar amounts to WISE to have some guy review every line of all of their publications to make sure it is "on source". A WISE Charter membership costs about $10K per year (used to anyway) and includes unlimited I/A service. Otherwise they pay hundreds of dollars per hour for this "service".

Tad's blog reads like a promo piece to me.
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Post by operatingwog » Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:11 pm

Yes. Silly me. I realised I'd got the wrong end of the stick when I actually read Tad's blog and saw how it was just a puff piece for the great work RTC does, and DM in particular.

(It is an implication of what he writes, though, that for 30 years LRon did nothing to correct a book which was giving scientologists a "pretty horrifying[ly]" inaccurate account of his "thought" -- but obviously not an intended or recognised implication.)

I think I'll pass on reading the "Advance" articles. Tad's blog made me feel sick enough.
“These guys are crazy. And all of this shit is straight out of the L. Ron Hubbard playbook. That’s their scriptures. They say they’re not a turn-the-other-cheek religion. No. They’re a knock-you-down-and-kick-you-in-the-balls religion.” Jason Beghe

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Post by caroline » Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:52 pm

This is the book that has Tad so "horrified:"
Notes on the Lectures wrote:Image

Hubbard, L. (1951) Notes on the Lectures. (6th ed., pp. 4-5). Los Angeles: American Saint Hill Organization.
Copyright L. Ron Hubbard © 1951, 1968. What that man endured.
INTELLIGENCE SPECIALIST TRAINING ROUTINE – TR L
Purpose: To train the student to give a false statement with good TR-1. To train the student to outflow false data effectively.
Commands: Part l “Tell me a lie”.

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Post by Sponge » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:11 pm

Tony Ortega posts an update to the article:
Update: Judging by the comments below, it appears I may not have been as clear as I should have in this post. I thought I made it pretty apparent that I respect what Tad is doing in his blog post -- that he is pleased to see some of Hubbard's early lectures recovered, superseding what had turned out to be a misinterpretation of them.

I thought I was also clear that Tad celebrated Miscavige and RTC for recovering Hubbard's original words. I don't really see how that would put him in trouble with the church.

I also admired his ability to relate his experience to that of other religions, which sometimes have to struggle over the original utterances and meanings of their holy texts.

Tad expresses some satisfaction that in his own religion, he can listen to the words of the founder directly. Again, I don't think that's controversial.

I only threw in a complication at the end -- that Hubbard's meaning isn't really in doubt when it comes to the OT III and other "space opera" elements of Scientology, and it would be interesting to see Tad wrestle with those materials and not some less controversial lectures from the early 1950s. That's what I meant about how refreshing it would be to see someone of Tad's intellect being open and honest about his religion.

OK, carry on.

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Post by caroline » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:30 pm

Sponge wrote:Tony Ortega posts an update to the article:
Update: Judging by the comments below, it appears I may not have been as clear as I should have in this post. I thought I made it pretty apparent that I respect what Tad is doing in his blog post -- that he is pleased to see some of Hubbard's early lectures recovered, superseding what had turned out to be a misinterpretation of them.

I thought I was also clear that Tad celebrated Miscavige and RTC for recovering Hubbard's original words. I don't really see how that would put him in trouble with the church.

I also admired his ability to relate his experience to that of other religions, which sometimes have to struggle over the original utterances and meanings of their holy texts.

Tad expresses some satisfaction that in his own religion, he can listen to the words of the founder directly. Again, I don't think that's controversial.

I only threw in a complication at the end -- that Hubbard's meaning isn't really in doubt when it comes to the OT III and other "space opera" elements of Scientology, and it would be interesting to see Tad wrestle with those materials and not some less controversial lectures from the early 1950s. That's what I meant about how refreshing it would be to see someone of Tad's intellect being open and honest about his religion.

OK, carry on.
The Notes on the Lectures was compiled in 1950 by the HDRF from two lecture series:

Los Angeles Lecture Series (20 Nov - 1 Dec 1950)
Oakland Lecture Series (23 - 29 Sep 1950)

The Oakland Lecture series is described in detail and the lectures listed in Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology Volume 1 (1976 ed., p. 26), (1991 ed., p. 36.) There's no mention of them being lost or unavailable.

The Los Angeles Lecture series is described in detail and the lectures listed in Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology Volume 1 (1976 ed., p. 54), (1991 ed., p. 73.) There's no mention of them being lost or unavailable either.

The idea that Miscavige recovered these lectures is goofy. Scientology simply stopped publishing the book and now they're making a big deal of it being "squirrel," fifty-six years later. Has Scientology offered to give back the money for inflicting that horror on all of us?
INTELLIGENCE SPECIALIST TRAINING ROUTINE – TR L
Purpose: To train the student to give a false statement with good TR-1. To train the student to outflow false data effectively.
Commands: Part l “Tell me a lie”.

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Post by Sponge » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:57 pm

Tad Reeves: More Scenes from the Life of a Scientologist
by Tony Ortega Village Voice 26th July 2011
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... s_more.php
which includes a further 9 pages of photos.

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Post by Dorothy » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:21 pm

The photo with the freedom medal being held over the top of the baby is weird, as if the baby is being "blessed" by Shuttleworth. Are scientology's freedom medal winners the "saints" of scientology? Kind of, yes. But Canonization is much simpler than it is in the Catholic Church. No miracles required, just "tone 40 intention". All the candidate has to do is get lots of stats for DM and agree to make a PR video to be shown to the followers at the annual IAS event. Yuck.

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Post by Don Carlo » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:29 pm

Only babies are perfect in CoS family photos. Not so perfect:
the two-year old who will never meet her skeptical grandfather, who CoS forced the loyal part of the family to disconnect from.
the three year old still drinking from the bottle because CoS parents let the child make his own decisions.
the eight year old babysitting an infant so the parents can skip off to auditing, again and again.
the ten year old who needs glasses but the home schooling CoS parent doesn't test for it, because their little CoS snowflake must be perfect.
the teen lured into working for the church, who never gets to finish schooling.
the underage teen who is statutory-raped by an older CoS member, but nobody reports it because the teen is an adult "inside."
the teen who can't criticize Scientology, or must disconnect from a disloyal parent.
Let's see photos of those situations, Tad.

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Post by Smurf » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:03 pm

I know Tad and have had indepth comm with him in the past. Yeah, he's caught up in the Scilon mindfuck and playing to their agenda, but I grow weary of critics with extremist mentalities that are quick to judge & condemn him and others in his situation. Like we have seen in the last few years, a number of hardened Scilons have woken up to reality and hauled ass out of the cult.

I continue to have hope that Tad & his wife will exit the cult. I won't demonize them.

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Post by Don Carlo » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:42 am

Smurf, you never saw a heartbroken grandparent, like I did, ripped away from a baby grandchild.

When I see a smiley happy Scientology photo, I want to ask, are you connected to all your immediate family? Are you fully allowed to connect with grandparents, parents, aunts, uncles, siblings, nieces, nephews, children, grandchildren? If there is even one of these, that CoS is telling you to shun as "suppressive," then you have put CoS above family. Does Mary Shuttlesworth, who is (I believe) no blood relation, get to kiss your baby, while there is a flesh and blood relative that can never even see her?

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Re: Tad, the "outspoken" scientologist, from D.C.

Post by Smurf » Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:45 am

Don Carlo wrote:Smurf, you never saw a heartbroken grandparent, like I did, ripped away from a baby grandchild.
How do you know? You assume much.

Many of the critics that post on OCMB and the other boards that speak out on Scientology abuses used to be in the same position that "Tad Reeves" is in right now.

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