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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by Karen#1 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:48 am

It was a 35 year journey before I finally exited the "Church of Scientology"
I wanted it to work.
I wanted it to be true for me
I stubbornly hung on against all better instincts.
At the end they disconnected my only child from me and when he died of an easily treated pneumonia due to their TOXIC disconnection policy, the Church had him cremated without allowing me to have one last viewing.
I now luxuriate in my FREEDOM everyday.
I no longer believe in Organized Religion even though I might drop in to some great Cathedral or Catholic Church and silently sit in the pews and meditate and think about my journey.

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"When religion becomes organised, man ceases to be free. It is not God that is worshipped but the group or authority that claims to speak in HIS name. Sin becomes "disobedience" to authority and not violation of integrity."


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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by mr_bad » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:18 am

Karen#1 wrote:It was a 35 year journey before I finally exited the "Church of Scientology"
I wanted it to work.
I wanted it to be true for me
I stubbornly hung on against all better instincts.
At the end they disconnected my only child from me and when he died of an easily treated pneumonia due to their TOXIC disconnection policy, the Church had him cremated without allowing me to have one last viewing.
I now luxuriate in my FREEDOM everyday.
I no longer believe in Organized Religion even though I might drop in to some great Cathedral or Catholic Church and silently sit in the pews and meditate and think about my journey.

Image
This quote from John Sweeney's new book resonated with me ~~



"When religion becomes organised, man ceases to be free. It is not God that is worshipped but the group or authority that claims to speak in HIS name. Sin becomes "disobedience" to authority and not violation of integrity."


http://www.amazon.com/The-Church-Fear-I ... 1909269034
It's tough letting go. I'm sure doing this thread is helping.

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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by Don Carlo » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:47 am

Anyone can walk into Notre Dame for free. To add spice, the altar in Notre Dame has an image of the Divine Bull which long predates Christianity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_bull

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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by El Jefe' » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:59 am

Karen,

Thank you so much for this thread! Sometimes the kool aide tastes really great!

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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by Wieber » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:07 am

Things for me aren't exactly a bed of roses and most exes have had in much worse than I did. Nevertheless I luxuriate in my freedom every day, too.
“Think wrongly if you please, but in all cases think for yourself.”
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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by Karen#1 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:00 am

A Little while ago I went browsing at a site

"America's worst companies to work for"
and lo and behold Scientology.Org is advertising there
https://www.google.com/search?q=worst+e ... =firefox-a

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I did a Print screen to grab it.

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Reviews describe "Mellon" as a worst employer, a sleepy bank. While you can work “9:45am to 4:45pm job with 1 hour lunch break,

Sea org :Try $12 for 80 hour weeks with 15 minute lunch breaks.

Rite Aid: Didn't pay overtime, mandatory overtime, working Holidays.

Sea Org" Work 365 days a year, including Christmas, Thanksgiving and New Years. No annual leave. No days off.
Overtime includes sleep deprivation, sometimes 5 days in a row with 2 hours sleep a night, not only no pay for overtime, but $10 to $20 for 100 hour weeks !

I need to study up these "Worst Employers" a bit more !

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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by I'mglib » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:18 am

I just checked and this thread is over 1 year old, and has hit 100 pages.

It's had some twists and turns and I think over all it has been a learning experience. Thanks Karen and other contributors.

Carry on.
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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by Wieber » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:16 am

The lower orgs are not as discipline crazy as the sea org. The hours worked in the lower orgs are less on average, too. When I worked 'day' and 'foundation' I estimate I put in about 12 to 14 hours a day, six days a week, and that was pretty common. So 72 to 84 hours per week. The pay ranged from nothing to about $30 per week with most weeks being about $20. Technical staff and upper echelon staff got more.

In the last year or so management split the staff to work in one org or the other. I chose 'foundation' which ended up being the wrong choice. Because we only worked one org we got no days off. So working foundation meant working evenings and all day Saturday and Sunday. Because we were only working one org instead of two management felt they had a right to work us harder than when we worked both orgs. So it was next to impossible to hold down a wog job because most of the time working for the org left us exhausted.

It became increasingly common to have all hands jobs assigned to everyone after the org closed each day. Once a month there was the mailing to central files. Every staff member had something like 400 to 500 mailing pieces to put together. That meant collating, folding, stuffing envelopes and sealing them, all by hand. Other times there was cleaning, renovations, and other things. The extra work was free meaning we didn't get statistic credit or pay for it.

Yeah, that rubbed it in: "... before you go, whisper this to your sons and their sons: 'THE WORK WAS FREE. KEEP IT SO.'" LRH
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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by Karen#1 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:53 am

Diamond Laureate
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You give $15 million as a non-refundable donation to the Church.
I am interested in the 2nd sentence.
Here's what it says on the plaque:

There are those whose strength and compassion for their fellow man ultimately change the course of history.....

Change the course of history ?

Can anyone name ONE COURSE of HISTORY that has been changed but these million dollar donations ?

Foolishly emptying one's personal fortune and family inheritance to the greedy lusty bank accounts of the "Church" and believe one is changing the course of history ! :albino: :albino: :albino: :albino:

The IAS promises a better safe world while any Google research shows no such thing occurring, but IAS scoops in the money and presents plaques with glorious phrases.

This is a Church that Kills pet dogs, does unspeakable cruelty and torture in SP hole, does dirty "Operations" against foes and lauds itself on the subject of Human Rights !


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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by Karen#1 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:18 pm

I thought it was despicable of the Church to write a tabloid Hate page on Paul Haggis.

A 35 year member who resigned.
Of course the "Church" is unable to restrain itself.
Must retaliate. Must wreak vengeance.
It is so unbecoming a "Church".
So the "church" posts a hate site on a two time Academy award winner highly respected in Hollywood.
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You can walk in and out of the Catholic Church, resign, openly resign, attack a Bishop in the press and it all fizzles out.
The Catholic Church would never EVER erect a hate page on you !

Same with the Church of Latter Day Saints, Jehovah's witnesses, Southern Baptists, you name it.
You come and go.

Not with the "Church" of Scientology.
It is their own FAIR Game that is comes back to haunt them.
This is a recurring incident over and over.
They harm an individual.
The individual then tells the story to the media and to the Internet.
That is all it is.
Scientology bashing is the "Hobby of the Year" in 2013 and will only increase.
And what will Scientology Inc do ?
Fight back MOAR !
Create more Media Stories !
Erect more Hate pages !
And thetarget will sooner or later tell their story.
Nancy Many tells her story this week.
Paul Haggis tells his story this week.
And Scientology bashing will continue and every single person beaten down, pulverized crushed will come back to tell the tale.
Here is the Channel 4 teaser. Bravo NBC !


http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/...sion-interview
"Next week on Rock Center, insider accounts that have never been broadcast before about Scientology, including Harry Smith's exclusive interview with Paul Haggis. The Oscar-winning writer and director is the most prominent Scientology member in Hollywood to break away after spending more than 30 years as a member.

"I was ashamed of my own stupidity, of how I'd been, could have been so purposely blind for so many years," Haggis told Rock Center's Harry Smith.

Smith also talks to the Pulitzer Prize-winning author Lawrence Wright, who has written a controversial new book about the Church of Scientology titled, ‘Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief.’

Harry Smith’s full report airs Thurs., Jan. 17 at 10pm/9c on NBC’s Rock Center with Brian Williams."

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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by Readyforaction » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:59 pm

Karen#1 wrote:I thought it was despicable of the Church to write a tabloid Hate page on Paul Haggis.

A 35 year member who resigned.
Of course the "Church" is unable to restrain itself.
Must retaliate. Must wreak vengeance.
It is so unbecoming a "Church".
So the "church" posts a hate site on a two time Academy award winner highly respected in Hollywood.
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You can walk in and out of the Catholic Church, resign, openly resign, attack a Bishop in the press and it all fizzles out.
The Catholic Church would never EVER erect a hate page on you !

Same with the Church of Latter Day Saints, Jehovah's witnesses, Southern Baptists, you name it.
You come and go.

Not with the "Church" of Scientology.
It is their own FAIR Game that is comes back to haunt them.
This is a recurring incident over and over.
They harm an individual.
The individual then tells the story to the media and to the Internet.
That is all it is.
Scientology bashing is the "Hobby of the Year" in 2013 and will only increase.
And what will Scientology Inc do ?
Fight back MOAR !
Create more Media Stories !
Erect more Hate pages !
And thetarget will sooner or later tell their story.
Nancy Many tells her story this week.
Paul Haggis tells his story this week.
And Scientology bashing will continue and every single person beaten down, pulverized crushed will come back to tell the tale.
Here is the Channel 4 teaser. Bravo NBC !


http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/...sion-interview
"Next week on Rock Center, insider accounts that have never been broadcast before about Scientology, including Harry Smith's exclusive interview with Paul Haggis. The Oscar-winning writer and director is the most prominent Scientology member in Hollywood to break away after spending more than 30 years as a member.

"I was ashamed of my own stupidity, of how I'd been, could have been so purposely blind for so many years," Haggis told Rock Center's Harry Smith.

Smith also talks to the Pulitzer Prize-winning author Lawrence Wright, who has written a controversial new book about the Church of Scientology titled, ‘Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief.’

Harry Smith’s full report airs Thurs., Jan. 17 at 10pm/9c on NBC’s Rock Center with Brian Williams."


"Next week on Rock Center, insider accounts that have never been broadcast before about Scientology, including Harry Smith's exclusive interview with Paul Haggis. The Oscar-winning writer and director is the most prominent Scientology member in Hollywood to break away after spending more than 30 years as a member.

"I was ashamed of my own stupidity, of how I'd been, could have been so purposely blind for so many years," Haggis told Rock Center's Harry Smith.

Smith also talks to the Pulitzer Prize-winning author Lawrence Wright, who has written a controversial new book about the Church of Scientology titled, ‘Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief.’

Harry Smith’s full report airs Thurs., Jan. 17 at 10pm/9c on NBC’s Rock Center with Brian Williams."
As has always been the practice of the "church" it is attack before you are attacked. Unfortunately, they are more and more finding that had they just chosen to keep their mouths shut (of course an impossibility because they have been programmed to do just the opposite), the problem would just disappear, but of course they have to make a scene.

I for one find it refreshing that they are continuing to draw attention to how childish and insane they are. It continues to amaze me that each person who says anything bad about them is the same as any other person who has ever said anything bad about them. Don't they realize that even to the uninitiated if you read more than two of their statements, or hear Miscavige "defended" by more than one person, you have to realize it's a scam as the wording is so close to identical, you know it's being dictated by someone else?

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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by Karen#1 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:13 am

THE LIBRARY SCAM CONTINUES.
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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by Karen#1 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:41 am

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Jim Lynch, on the payroll of David Miscavige shows up at my gate an hour ago !
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Scientology paid whores doing harrassment tours !
I have Closed circuit TV recording of it.
I am seeing if I can upload on video.
He said he wanted info on Marty and Tony Ortega ~~ that's right, like I would co-operate
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What complete lunatics they are.
Lynch and I drove a very nice car but NO LICENSE PLATES !
LAPD very interested.
Told us if they return, "Please keep them there LONGER til we send a black and white."
They said they would have gotten the ID of the PI.
Jim Lynch is likely to "do the rounds" in Los Angeles.
They fled when Post security showed up and parked behind them.
Taking his image to LAPD so he can he identified as malicious Church" of Scientology harrasser.
Trying to download Iphone images.
More of the story coming.

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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by mr_bad » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:55 am

Karen#1 wrote:Image

Jim Lynch, on the payroll of David Miscavige shows up at my gate an hour ago !
Image

Scientology paid whores doing harrassment tours !
I have Closed circuit TV recording of it.
I am seeing if I can upload on video.
He said he wanted info on Marty and Tony Ortega ~~ that's right, like I would co-operate
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What complete lunatics they are.
Lynch and I drove a very nice car but NO LICENSE PLATES !
LAPD very interested.
Told us if they return, "Please keep them there LONGER til we send a black and white."
They said they would have gotten the ID of the PI.
Jim Lynch is likely to "do the rounds" in Los Angeles.
They fled when Post security showed up and parked behind them.
Taking his image to LAPD so he can he identified as malicious Church" of Scientology harrasser.
Trying to download Iphone images.
More of the story coming.
With all the horrible press they've gotten, they still pull shit like this.

Wow.....just.......Wow!
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Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside

Post by Karen#1 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:19 am

Tampa Bay Times, formerly St Pete Times

publishes this a couple of hours ago



http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientolog ... es/1270036


The untold story of two dogged FBI agents, witnesses on the lam, and the surrender of self inside the Church of Scientology.

Hey OSA, read it and weep



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