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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:28 am 
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Karen#1 wrote:
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The only good news to report is that Darius has left the cult. A beautiful Mexican girl married him. He has made it through and I found him on Facebook with his little daughter.


Thank you Karen.

This is a beautiful picture of a daughter with her father. What is reflected in this picture is the greatest joy in life, the sharing and the love between parent and child.

And this is despite and not because of organized scientology.

Look at that picture now and imagine that little girl faded out. She is no longer there. Now look at that man and see him alone and lost in the seemingly hopeless darkness of scientology in the sea org.

The legacy of Miscavige and organized scientology is that. Think of all the love there will never be shared because of the families destroyed and the children aborted or otherwise never born all because of the "church" of scientology's greed. Love there is devoured for worldly gain. Some legacy, this legacy of the "church" of scientology.

That picture is one of the most beautiful ones I have seen showing what is missed in a world run by organized scientology and what is gained when one breaks free of it.

As the Anon L Ron Hu88ard once said in this beautiful video, it is time for the church of scientology to get out of loves way.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A1GfPK8lMHE

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 Post subject: Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside
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Thanks Larry.

A heartwarming post, spoken like the true Larry Brennan I knew as Special Unit I/C. Always seeing what is truly important and prioritizing on first things first.

Darius's name and story has come up here and there on the WEB and this made OSA and others re-think their enforcement of disconnection in his case. BAD PR if the story kept getting around

I hear back channels that Sandy has been in communication with him of late. She was given OK and permission to talk to her son Darius ! This is the kind of good product the INTERNET creates. It shames OSA into pulling up their socks and behaving with some decency~ in some cases overturning a declare in terror that the SP will befriend those on ESMB, OCMB, Marty's Blog or even WWP !

If it is true that Sandy, after years of deserting him after he was half dead and on his back in excruciating pain for one year with no mom or dad, ~~ well I am delighted, to hear Sandy might be talking to him again.

Here's a better image of GREG WILHERE, right in front left side.

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This is an update on Sandy Wilhere, mother of Darius Wilhere a tragic figure, a true testament to what happens when you are in Sea Org for 40 years !
SLEEP DEPRIVATION is a common endurance of Sea Org are forced to endure. They are trapped in and ENFORCED to obey draconian schedules.
One week before Miscavige held an "INT event" all of Gold/ INT base had to be up for almost a week. Some would sleep standing up ! Others would steal 2 hours here and there.

Sandy, caught up in all the SLEEP DEPRIVATION, fell asleep while driving a car
only minutes from INT BASE.

But she fell into a canyon as the car wheeled off the road.

There she lay unconscious and comatose.

Blow Drills and intense searches were in full force to find and locate her.


Finally days after laying there, she was found. She was brought bank from the brink.

Miscavige was FURIOUS. How dare a PTS + (Potential Trouble Source) create this NUISANCE !

How dare Sea Org members suffer car accidents by falling asleep while driving ! A New LAW was implemented. No Sea org member may drive without doing CAR SCHOOL. "CAR School" Sea Org Style.

The most ludicrous check sheet of all time. Clay demos of carburetors and emissions and pages and pages of ludicrous car parts one did not need any knowledge of. Designed more for a car mechanic !

But by the law of the iron fist of Miscavige, no one could drive til this check sheet was completed.

ALL CAR KEYS of anyone with CARS was confiscated by Sea Org security !

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Sandy developed Multiple Sclerosis soon after the car accident. Miscavige ordered Greg to divorce her and he immediately complied.

Darius her son was kicked out of INT base, Sandy was sent to Los Angeles and the Wilhere family was fully torn apart.

Sandy's MS has progressively worsened. She looks 95 years old, face as lined as an aged (but still alive) ancient relic. She hobbles around as if she has a peg leg.

Loyal as they come, she had a little chat with me some 3 years ago. We were fellow Apollo crew, our lives had intertwined. I was her direct senior in
the Class XII HGC and there was lots of mutual time track.
Looking at me pleadingly with the gentlest of voices and with very high affinity, she tried to recruit me back to Sea Org.

"Karen, darling, you need to come HOME You need to be BACK where you BELONG !"

I know she did not know my own draconian set of abuses in the SO. (You can never share anything negative with the SO., "Black PR" it is called. Enemy Lines ! Treasonous Conduct to share anything negative.) Sandy did not know about my dark days.

But I looked down at the floor, avoid her eyes and her pleading.

She placed her hands her intimately on my shoulders looking into my eyes "Come back to your home, Karen" she urged.

I was silent for a moment. Thinking, to myself, how do I respond ?

Finally I spoke up.

"Sorry Sandy, I can't. I have moved on, I am sorry Sandy it won't happen."

For no reason at all I brushed the tears from my eyes as I walked out of the room.

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 Post subject: Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside
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I've just been perusing "The Story of a Squirrel: David Mayo" ( http://www.holysmoke.org/mo/story-of-a- ... d-mayo.htm ) which Mayo referenced as an example of the way scientology dehumanizes SPs (above on this thread, viewtopic.php?f=9&t=41348&start=168 ).

It's sinister and comical in equal measure, studded with little gems of LRH's batshit-crazy dehumanizing black PR.

Hubbard wrote:
Mayo was the boy they were relying on. He is a very clever fellow in that he could lie to me consistently, convincingly report, this that or the other thing. He actually came a cropper when tow [sic] of the most banal technical actions you ever hears [sic] of (the first one was a cramming order, clearing the word 'Clear' as per Book One and the second was taking a car down a road) 'caved in his case' and caused him to have an accident and break his finger. This is the symptom of a mental reaction of trying to make somebody else wrong. The truth of the matter is that these actions were about as strong as a drink of milk and couldn't possibly have done anything to anybody. He directly lied and was found to be squirreling the simpliest [sic] process there ever was. He also false reported the actions of a pc on [the process] and how the program was run on her. It was this last straw which broke the camel's back.


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The main discovery was that Mayo had very carefully eradicated TRs. Thinking it over, I would say that Mayo is a covert NCG (No Case Gain), for if he were ever audited by somebody whose TRs were out, not even his suppressive curves would permit him to make such a horror of a scene.

I notice that Mr. SP Mayo, the darling of the psychs, rewrote HCOB TRAINING DRILLS REMODERNIZED. In a case of this character, you would expect to find sneakers of one sort or another, little curves that would turn up later to wreck things.

What happened here in this mess Mayo created - and very artfully I might add - was that he involved basic policy with simply tactical considerations and altered basic policy and then tangled up the rest of it as well. It is typical of criminals that they can make a championship mess that is difficult to untangle.


This is the way Hubbard regarded the friend Karen described above ( viewtopic.php?f=9&t=41348&start=90 ) as hardworking, loyal, competent, and well loved.

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David was as hardworking as they come. A workaholic. Rarely did he secure for the night without working into the early hours of the morning. He was loyal, he was very competent and he was well loved.


Mayo was submitted to unspeakable abuse, discarded, fair gamed, and ultimately silenced by legal agreement. Unsuprisingly, Marty Rathbun is still willing to use that last point to black PR him.

Mayo ultimately agreed to a permanent injunction against using or disseminating any Scientology upper level materials. He agreed to do that in exchange for all Gerbode’s legal expenses being paid for and a high six figure or low seven figure chunk of change for himself. He flew in from his digs in Hawaii to consummate the deal. And he flew off to quiet, perhaps content, oblivion. Sure, David Mayo took a beating. You think we haven’t? The difference is this. I will die before accepting anything from David Miscavige. And I know for a fact the same goes for Mike Rinder and dozens of others who have been shoulder to the wheel over the past two years, after several decades of having their shoulders against another wheel that they thought was the one it is on now.


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I feel that we should make a particular point of maintaining our own integrity and truthfulness, because that is a very valuable thing that we have. And although others may go into a lot of mud-slinging and name-calling and so on, if we maintain our integrity, then we maintain our freedom and our independence.


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:29 am 
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Karen#1, I am so glad to see you sharing these stories of abuses at Int Base. I hope you write a book about your time in Scientology some day.

You never know who is lurking at OCMB.

Blownforgood (Marc Headley) began his career as an author here by posting his stories while he still lived on Int Base. He published the now world famous "Musical Chairs" thread here at OCMB: MUSICAL CHAIRS - INT BASE STYLE - PART 2

Karen#1, you are in very good company with Marc Headley by sharing stories that have never been heard before. Your stories and photos are needed for the ongoing public documentation of abuses inside of the Cult of Scientology.

Your stories are a breath of fresh air!

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Thank you for your kind words.
People like you and Larry and Graham Berry are EXEMPLARY examples of how
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Soderqvist1: Operatingwog, Karen ignores everything you say about Hubbard just as she ignored Hubbard’s victimisation of children, and adults on the ship! Look how she refuses to answer the tamasin-sp's question!

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Karen#1: I am sorry you endured what you did. It was very not OK.
But the truth of the matter is that I lived with LRH on the Flag ship Apollo for a lot longer than you did. I did not experience what you state. You are not going indoctrinate or persuade anyone to believe what you believe.

tamasin-sp: Tell me then Karen, When were you on the Apollo with LRH exactly? How long for? I'm not trying to indoctrinate anyone, but YOU are aren't you?
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Soderqvist1: Karen you are lying for Hubbard, just as you did when you doctored that David Mayo’s affidavit about David Miscavige abused him on Hubbard’s order!

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 Post subject: Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside
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One page one of this thread I posted ABUSE on Chris Guider.

Today his wife Valeska did a STUNNING interview on Australian TV, corroborating the lock downs /kidnap/ enforced against will within the Sea Org.

Then on page 11, I covered the story of Karola Andris who was held on FREEWINDS for 15 months after asking to leave.

The "Church" did an ATTACK response and lied claiming it took passports because these were needed at Ports.

A complete lie. The Flag Land Base is not at a port, yet all passports are confiscated on arrival of foreign nationals.

This video so corroborates other posts of mind and is so well worth watching.

The internal goings on.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-28/w ... ip/3700390

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 Post subject: Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside
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Karen, I have seen some older women who appear to be in the Sea Org at Pac, getting in an out of the buses, etc. One uses a walker. I wonder if that's Sandy.

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Dear Glibby,

No, I don't think she uses a walker. But with all the "TECH" she has had for 40 years, she is a damaged body and in full blown MS. Thanks to the Internet and OSA hastily doing DAMAGE control, she was permitted to visit her new grand child.

Back to FREEWINDS

On the subject of FREEWINDS ~~to add more to my post above....

FREEWINDS ~~

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The Freewinds is a vessel that goes from Port to Port which was originally a Tax haven for the "IAS"

The International Association of Scientologists. Not on US soil therefore tax free.

Of note is that the Building on Fountain Avenue that used to be the CMO Building and then BRIDGE Publications, is now the IAS building, all of it. Designated for vampire extortion of the Scientology Public.

Extreme "regging" (extorting of $$$$ from parishioners) to DONATE to the IAS
is the current culture.

The Freewinds over time served a dual purpose.
It became a PUNISHMENT location out of the Jurisdiction of US Law Enforcement.

Mark Headley (Blown for Good) who reported on the Internet and in his book the enforced cleaning of FECES ponds at Gold base.

(They stopped it after wide reporting)

But BILGES CLEANING on FREEWINDS was a substitute sadistic punishment.
For readers that don’t know what this entails ~~
The Bilges, at the lowest point of the ship contains but marine slime, dissolving crud, grease, oil build up, mold, bacteria and even urine can collect in the BILGES. It has an extremely foul smell, and when the wind shifts when you are on a ship, a FOUL ODOR comes up from the BILGES.

Here's a sample visual of the bilges ~~

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Bilges cleaning is normally done by machines not humans.

Sea Org members, especially top execs have had to work 12 -14 hours a day "cleaning the bilges" as punishment. No hazmat equipment, they must breathe in the fumes and work in the grunge 12 to 14 hours a day. Tops execs including my ex husband Heber Jentzsch were sent to "clean the bilges" punishment detail on FREEWINDS.

While the celebs and the high rollers party on the upper decks, below them are Sea Org members punished like slaves in the medieval times.

It seems that ships registered in PANAMA can get away with a lot.....

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I'mglib wrote:
I always wondered if the stage that Baca stands on at Scienotogy events is set up by RPFers, and if so if it matters to him.


Glibby ~~

For many years one could visibly see the RPFers on the streets around Big Blue. Dressed in black, they would be digging the dirt. They were introverted, they looked down at the ground and they looked battered.
As the Internet exploded and more and more reports were posted about this sadistic program, it has gone "UNDERGROUND".

No RPFERS are visible at the Pac Complex. They are forbidden to emerge and be seen.

There is a slave factory for making furniture for all the "Church" organizations, and boy, do they work HARD for their rice and beans and $8 a week ! They are paid like Chinese farm workers !

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RPFers of recent years are sentenced to this slave labor for YEARS. It is unbelievable. There is no day OFF, there is no day off even for Christmas and Thanksgiving and New Years day. It is slave labor, morning til night, while the RPFer is forbidden to talk to anyone outside the RPF and his family and outside world is completely cut off.

These are true cult like actions.

They even brag to the public that these hologrammed tables with the Scientology logo were made IN HOUSE
saving the church MILLIONS of dollars !

In all the millions of words Hubbard wrote, his RPF creation was one the worst.
In the living HELL I went through on the RPF, I want it known that it is CRUEL, it is MIND CONTROL, it is there for BEHAVIOUR MODIFICATION and as doggedly as the "CHURCH" hangs on to this medieval punishment
the Internet will continue to expose the sadism.

Yes Glibby, RPFers would be assigned to set up the stage for Sheriff LEE BACA, Scientology pet.

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Karen#1 wrote:
In all the millions of words Hubbard wrote, his RPF creation was one the worst.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :D


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peter wrote:
Soderqvist1: Operatingwog, Karen ignores everything you say about Hubbard just as she ignored Hubbard’s victimisation of children, and adults on the ship! Look how she refuses to answer the tamasin-sp's question!

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Karen#1: I am sorry you endured what you did. It was very not OK.
But the truth of the matter is that I lived with LRH on the Flag ship Apollo for a lot longer than you did. I did not experience what you state. You are not going indoctrinate or persuade anyone to believe what you believe.

tamasin-sp: Tell me then Karen, When were you on the Apollo with LRH exactly? How long for? I'm not trying to indoctrinate anyone, but YOU are aren't you?
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=42566&p=415242#p415242


Soderqvist1: Karen you are lying for Hubbard, just as you did when you doctored that David Mayo’s affidavit about David Miscavige abused him on Hubbard’s order!


Karen,
I really do think you are doing a great job here exposing Miscaviges abuses within Scientology, so why do you have such a problem with me? I want to expose the abuse within Scientology too, but, what you fail to understand is this all started with Hubbard and I don't care how long he's been dead, I don't care that he died, in fact I am glad he's dead and I personally hope every god damned body thetan on this earth and other planets ate him alive. That is what I think of LRH, the almighty, ever forgiving, ever humble humanitarian that gave so much to save this earth.

Use Standard Tech exactly and you too can live an enlightened life!

Tell me Karen, why have all these people you name on this thread lead such wonderful lives?

It's all David Miscaviges fault huh, no Karen, it's all LRHs fault because without him none of us would be here discussing this in the first place.

So, when were you on the Apollo? And, for how long?

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I am going to repeat what I said to Caroline.

Your experience of Scientology is your experience of Scientology.Do not attempt to shove your wrong items at me. Please stop because I have no use for your point of view.

What you fail to understand, what you refuse to understand, is that I was damaged by Cult abuse but not by the Tech when it was done correctly. This is true for the Indies. I see the workability of the Tech. You do not. The Indies recognize the flaws in the organization and this is why we all have left and now publicly denounce CoS as a vicious, soul-killing Cult. We denounce David Miscavige.

I have lost my son to Disconnection. I endured a sadistic RPF and 6 months of HELL on EARTH at INT Base.

Please start your own threads on what you want to say. I have no interest in engaging in arguments with anybody. Once again, I will repeat.

MY PURPOSE ON THIS BOARD IS TO WHISTLEBLOW ON ABUSES.

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Karen could you clarify what is meant by 'wrong item'?

I think it must have a specific scientology meaning. I take it it doesn't mean 'falsehood'. Are you saying what Caroline and tamasin-sp are saying is somehow not suited to your needs (regardless of questions of truth/falsity)?


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