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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:12 am 
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Is there anyone here in the CA 12th Congressional District (San Francisco)?

That district is represented by Congresswoman Jackie Speier, who was an aide to Congressman Leo Ryan when he went to Jonestown and was shot by cultists in the People's Temple. Ms Speier was shot 5 times and left for dead for 22 hours before being rescued; she is a proven fighter of cult abuses.

Ms. Speier needs to be made aware of these shenanigans. Per her web site she only accepts e-mail from her constituents. It would be great to have this thread forwarded to her.
Jackie is well aware of Scientology. She is a longtime friend of Patricia Ryan, the daughter of Congressman Leo J. Ryan. Patricia was also the President of the original Cult Awareness Network for several years.

Patricia was also close to Rep. Tom Lantos, who was elected to fill Congressman Ryan's seat after his death in Guyana. After Rep, Lantos died of cancer, Jackie was elected to fill his seat and has been re-elected ever since.

Tom Lantos, the only Holocaust survivor to serve in the U.S. Congress chose to remain silent when it came to Scientology & religious cults, in general. So has Jackie.


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside
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Tom De Vocht Part 2


"Why Why Why did you put up with Miscavige for that long ? " I asked Tom Devocht ? "Could you not have slugged the punk?" I asked.

"Karen, I was in charge of putting buildings there, you can't hide production when a structure has to be renovated, created and put there. By having a line with him I could get the finance necessary, the personnel necessary and without that direct line to him ~~ it was all but impossible through the bureaucracy."

Tom would be in charge and get the renovations done. To be posted as Commanding officer of the CMO in Clearwater the amount of production, dedication and results has to be enormous.
After the complete renovations was done, Miscavige would change his mind and want it all re-done from scratch. Of course this would now go over -budget.

One of the main accusations Miscavige hurled at Tom DeVocht was that he was "overspending and "wasting Org funds."

The source of the design, planning and labor being done over and over again and re-done was Miscavige. He kept changing and compulsively demanding a complete re-design from head to toe of what he previously approved of.

There is a brutal brutal film called "Full Metal Jacket". The vulgarity, violence and punching in the chest is a replica of Miscavige in action and especially the language. It was an all time favorite movie of Miscavige. See a clip ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUc62jD-G0o

While Tom DeVocht was under the gun for overspending he was told something Miscavige had said the night before.

There is a scene in the movie where the soldiers put bars of soap into a pillow case and beat the living crap out of another because hurling a pillow case with a bar of soap inside can be a weapon.

Miscavige tells another Sea org member Tom DeVocht needs a beating like this (from the movie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCNqKrX1 ... re=related

Tom is starting to realize he cannot live like this. He has no resume, no references, no nothing. He has been in the Cult since he was 12 years old. He did have a pretty wife, Jenny deVocht


One day Shelly Miscavige comes storming down the Campus and into Tom DeVocht's face "You get your bitch away from my husband ~ she's trying to seduce him !" Shelly screams. 2 days later Tom is summoned to building 50. Shelly is on fire "Get that bitch away from my husband she's hanging her tits in his face....."

Tom notices Jenny de Vocht has totally changed. A different personality than who he married. One of the most cruel things that has been reported is Miscavige enforcing 7 days of no sleep on Jenny.

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Jenny De Vocht the "Commanding Officer CMO Int" was forced to stay up for non-stop seven days... until her eyes were dark and hollow sockets. Even the CIA classifies shorter bouts of sleep deprivation as "torture." When Jenny finally crawled into a bed, Miscavige had her hauled back to the CMOI conference room ("the Hole" a.k.a. "SP Hall"). Meanwhile, Miscavige also had a bed brought in and placed in the middle of the room. After humiliating and degrading Jenny as a "weakling who couldn’t go without sleep," he ordered her to go to sleep in the bed while all CMO staff watched. After a week of no sleep, Jenny dozed for the next two days in a conference room full of people who were themselves not allowed to leave until she got out of bed.

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http://www.scientology-cult.com/skeleto ... loset.html

Here's Jenny
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No one can say what did or did not happen with Jenny de Vocht (now Jenny Linsen) She still craves Miscavige approval, she reportedly acts like a Nazi and looks 30 years older. Shelly Miscagive subsequently vanished.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... peared.php

To be continued ~~

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 Post subject: Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside
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It looks like DM is wasting the cult’s money on unnecessary alterations of the renovations. He might as well throw that money into a red-hot furnace.

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 Post subject: Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside
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She was one of the screaming banshee RoboScion's in the Anderson Cooper series? No?

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 Post subject: Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside
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Sad. Very sad. Being the unedycated southern black white minortiy 1%-er livin' in poverty that ah am, ah would ask:
What is it that Jenny DeVocht and other Scilons are not getting about life, if Scn is a pathway to a better one? I mean, is their vision of a better life so messed up that they think they've found it, in "the hole", and are eager to force that joy on others? I'm very confused.
Here's a binary multiple-choice test, for example:
1) Does a better life mean a more rational and humane one?
a) Yes.
b) No.
2) Is letting some sadistic nut-case starve you and beat you and drive you crazy a horrible idea?
a) Yes.
b) No.
#) Does seeing someone abuse someone else piss you off?
a) Yes.
b) No.
If you answered "Yes" to all of the above, keep reading. If you answered "No" to one or more, keep reading. If you were unable to figure it out, or didn't bother, or can't remember how you answered, keep reading..

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 Post subject: Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside
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One of the many mantras/aphorisms of $cientology is, "The way out is the way through."

Tory uses a variant on this. You may have seen it: "The way out is through the nearest door."

There are other mantras: "The thetan knows." "Production is the basis of morale." "Outflow equals inflow." You get the idea. One of the functions of these things is as a 'thought stopper,' which you'll find explained in Steven Hassan's books.

What is meant by "the way out is the way through" is that once beset by difficulty or some kind of trial the way to get out of that difficulty or trial is to go through it, "confronting and handling" what comes up as one goes. There is a positive aspect to this. People involved with $cientology do not walk away from adversity. They deal with it. Of course, the negative aspect of it is they do not walk away from abuse or things that might be dangerous or destructive to them.

At the same time Hubbard has presented a vision of a land where everybody is fairies and elves, people can have all the comic books they want and chocolate and waxed lips. Oh, wait, sorry. That's from Woody Allen's monologue on being kidnapped. Nevertheless Hubbard presented a very utopian vision of a future world where everything is absolutely shiningly wonderful with no crime, no war, no suppressives, no insanity, and nothing bad at all. People involved in $cientology have bought into that. To get that they are willing to make whatever sacrifices are necessary so they'll put up with a lot before they finally decide they've had it with the horse shit and leave.

Those who are in the hole probably look on their punishment as necessary in order to make progress toward what Hubbard promised to them. The mental bars are much stronger than steel ones.

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What is meant by "the way out is the way through" is that once beset by difficulty or some kind of trial the way to get out of that difficulty or trial is to go through it, "confronting and handling" what comes up as one goes. There is a positive aspect to this. People involved with $cientology do not walk away from adversity. They deal with it. Of course, the negative aspect of it is they do not walk away from abuse or things that might be dangerous or destructive to them.[emphasis added]

Wieber,
Nice analysis, all of it. What I bolded cracked me up laughing. To me, the ability to analyze a situation and correctly evaluate it within a huge sphere, is precisely what the study of knowledge is about. My belief is that man is indeed a spiritual being (Buddhists believe in reincarnation, as well as peace, so why can't I?), and that within Scn there are very important truths, so to me the horror-show is all the more painful. No derail here, just introducing myself to you, not joking. It amazes me that people can be convinced to beat and deprive others, and it's my belief that gross depravity must be stopped. We need some of the people who investigated Abu Grahib (sp?) to visit the Co$.
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 Post subject: Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside
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Here are the wives on Anderson Cooper, including Jenny DeVocht.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7tqrMsD ... ature=plcp

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Tenor wrote:
What is it that Jenny DeVocht and other Scilons are not getting about life, if Scn is a pathway to a better one? I mean, is their vision of a better life so messed up that they think they've found it, in "the hole", and are eager to force that joy on others? I'm very confused.


As the stories trickle out, as more is revealed, it can only seem more and more incredulous and that such ABUSE would be tolerated ~~

+++++Licking bathroom floors til one's tongue and jaw aches for extended periods of time has been doled out by the Flag Staff MAA ("ethics officer" )as punishment on staff, regularly and routinely.

+++++The Sandcastle is right up at Clearwater Bay where the tide comes in and out ~ see this image of the restaurant.


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A sadistic punishment was developed to make a Sea org member who's "regging" ( money extortion) statistics were not up to expectations, to scrub the sides of the wall at high tide. The wall gets eventually covered with mollusks, barnacles and other crustaceans so the wall scraping is done. This particular time, the tides battered the Sea org Member and something went wrong and the Sea org member nearly died mid the sadistic punishment.

Guess what ? The Sea Org member is back on post toiling away.

SUCH INCIDENTS ARE CONSIDERED NORMAL !

It is the CULTURE !

The MAA who dictated this punishment even received a letter of commendation from A CMO executive stating
that he was Great because The staff FEARED him ! He was being considered for RTC !!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside
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Wieber wrote:
The mental bars are much stronger than steel ones.

You bet. Sea Org members happily refer to the process of the RPF as "redemption". They believe they are freeing themselves from themselves, getting back to a pure, ethical state. They have been indoctrinated to believe that they are dramatizing evil because they have not stayed within the tiny boundaries that are created for each of them. That boundary = produce, produce, produce as ordered and get NOTHING, ZERO in return, = SLAVERY. So, be a good slave, or go to the RPF. But like Wieber says, the chains of this special kind of slavery are invisible because they are mental chains. This is the part that Judges, Courts and Agencies apparently have a difficult time with, and it's what makes scientology so insidious.

CoS has woven these kinds of religious terms (redemption, apostate) into their vernacular as part of their ruse to make a dangerous group that's in the abuse-business, appear like a religion.

From one of my first posts here:
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Wieber wrote:
Nevertheless Hubbard presented a very utopian vision of a future world where everything is absolutely shiningly wonderful with no crime, no war, no suppressives, no insanity, and nothing bad at all. People involved in $cientology have bought into that. To get that they are willing to make whatever sacrifices are necessary so they'll put up with a lot before they finally decide they've had it with the horse shit and leave.

Marx and Lenin promised the same.

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"Licking bathroom floors til one's tongue and jaw aches for extended periods of time has been doled out by the Flag Staff MAA ("ethics officer" )as punishment on staff, regularly and routinely."

Just one such episode should be enough to convince them that it is time to make a run for freedom. But they stay no matter what is thrown at them.

Moses called the Hebrews who did not want to leave Egypt "slaves".

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Demented LRH wrote:
"Licking bathroom floors til one's tongue and jaw aches for extended periods of time has been doled out by the Flag Staff MAA ("ethics officer" )as punishment on staff, regularly and routinely."

Just one such episode should be enough to convince them that it is time to make a run for freedom. But they stay no matter what is thrown at them. Moses called the Hebrews who did not want to leave Egypt "slaves".
This is what organized religion does to you.

Did you know the American Psychological Association has reported that the highest use of antidepressants are among middle-aged women in Utah? That the Mormon Church, despite it's enormous PR efforts to show themselves as pure & wholesome, has a very high incident rate of spousal abuse among it's members.. women who are beaten senseless by their husbands, but are ordered by church leadership to forgive, forget, and look the other way, after all, the man is the head of the household?

Scientology is not unlike other religious institutions where power & influence is given to one person or a small group of people, that is then allowed to wield it as they please. In some respects, David Miscavige as become another Adolf Hitler, and deserves to be deposed.


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Because I am very short on time today, I cannot actually write Part III on Tom DeVocht but wanted to post these few paragraphs from Mr Webb, a former Staff MAA at the Flag Land Base in Clearwater.

I highly resent the Church lie that they do not use folder data as blackmail because they do. It is the the DNA and fabric of the Church to fleece you for $$$$ to buy auditing, (where you confess) and this will be later used for blackmail.

This was previously posted by "Mr Webb." Worth a Read.

Mr. Webb | May 7, 2010 at 7:55 am | Reply

Is it really not known that ALL staff sessions are recorded at FLB? (Flag Land BASE) All sessions at AO HGC’s? L’s? All ethics interviews except in two interview rooms (they had to use tape recorders in these)?

Is it not known that there are ethics file “summaries” done on staff who are getting Comm Ev’s, doing any of the confidential training, getting an exec post? Is it not known that there are at least 30 page writeups in each Class XII’s current ethics files, detailing out-ethics and out-tech they committed? Mostly, miscalling F/N’s.

Is it not known that these data are not only used to blackmail but used to cave in a person directly? Used to get the person to agree on something?

I hated this but I let it go, I did it. You know the command intention… Here is my confession with a justification.


I gave you an example as to extent of this. We had a certain FSO staff member, flubbing on post. Pissed RTC off. They got me to handle. I did the ethics interview, got him to crew HGC to be handled. I knew this was not overts. More like a messed up case. Standard CS handling was Sec Check. Poor guy went down the spiral.

I got videos of these sessions, reports, everything. One overt was that this individual had smelled his aunt’s underwear when he was 13. He is over 45 now. Yes, this overt was used by the RTC terminal who ran me to ridicule this certain person so many times in front of his co-workers and wife. “You know, Blah, you are useless, can’t produce jack, you know why? Because you are a sick pervert who likes to smell ….!” And similar.

Recording is very prevalent at FLB. Use of the data is also.

Last thing regarding Tom Cruise. I had a very good comm line with his family. I know that they have absolutely no idea that any sessions are being recorded or what really goes on behind the scenes.

Mr. Webb

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I am not sure why Mr. Webb made it look like he revealed one of cult’s secrets -- everyone in Sea Org knows that the sessions are recorded. This policy is reflected in numerous HCOBs.

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