I am happy to see SuzanneMarie back here posting. BTW she won't read this because it is very likely she still has me on *ignore* from long ago. Anyway, this is for the audience.

I would love nothing more than to see SM engage in real debate. That said, my observations as to her patterns in the last 3.5 years may be valid. The last time she was here was when J.Swift was exposing scientology's latest exploitation of minors: they were using young child basics graduates as celebrity-style promoters of scientology. She rabidly complained about his assertions. It got quite ugly.

I now observe the coincidence of her return as the Jan Eastgate case* is in the headlines. SM seems to be in charge of distracting from any issue regarding scientology's treatment of minor children. True to her usual patterns, she will turn all debate into a debate about the evils of psychiatry, no matter what the topic.

That's all. I just wanted to put that out there perhaps to off-set any (alleged) intended distraction. I doubt she will participate in any real debate and it will all devolve into more of the same old, same old: ask her any question, instead of a direct answer, she responds with "you are an idiot, here's a link, psychiatry is evil, here's another link". Of course she has the right to respond any way she chooses.

I'd be interested to know if anyone else has made the same observation. And of course I encourage our excellent and intelligent debaters here to see if they can "break" her tired and predictable pattern. But you might soon grow tired. Debating her is like debating a cuckoo clock, at least you always know what time it is!

I predict that if she does become engaged in the Jan Eastgate topic, she will turn it towards the implication of how scientology must be justified in keeping these cases away from the authorities, because "psychiatry is evil". Of course she will have many links to actual cases where psyches got involved in child protective custody cases and messed those kids up. But it is more likely that she will completely avoid the topic.

* Jan Eastgate stands accused in Australia of "obstruction of Justice": coaching a minor child to lie to the authorities in order to cover up child molestation charges against a scientologist.

Well said!

Perfect! Scientologists' war on psychiatry flows from Hubbard's research on the subject. Standard tech includes FPRD auditing, which is a prerequisite to OT levels. Basic FPRD indoctrination makes "the psychs" responsible for all of our inabilities to "reach", and of course our inability to comply with command intention. Talking about it here raises PR issues, but c'est la vie.



I'm okay with that.



Sounds like command intention.



Scientologists' obstruction of justice is doctrinally motivated and systemic, so we'll have to really delve into this.

I was a little surprised to see that she was back. I figured that during her absence, that she either saw the light and was out of the cult laying low or had passed away. It would appear that the cult just dusts her off to district during times like these.

Thank you!


At one time I was sure she worked here in an official (even if volunteer) capacity. Now I'm not so sure. I think it may be possible that she is simply a plain old believer, doing the good work she wholeheartedly believes in. Of course she would still need permission, or sanction, to post here, and her results would be closely monitored. But it is suspicious that she seems to gravitate to clambake whenever issues with children pop up. She was also all over the FLDS scandal when we were discussing it, because it involved children.


No, you. Your statement is perfect in its exposure of scientology's sacred beliefs. And don't forget those "priests" as in "psyches and priests" on the whole track. When I was a believer, and I saw this use of "priests" along side the evil "psyches", my subconscious did a sort of double take. Below the surface, my thoughts went kind of like this: "So priests are really just as evil as psyches! Does he mean Catholic priests?..., no he does not refer to a specific religion. Then, he must mean any religious high-up who wears an official title....". This is how LRon vilifies all other religions, by making this implied reference to all other religious leaders being associated with evil beings on the time track (time track = one's eternity). Now if you are, or were, an atheist at heart, you might connect with such statements in a positive way. This might be an example of how LRon captures unsuspecting hearts and minds.

The idea that scientology is non-denominational is such a lie. How can any Christian be a scientologist when LRon states that Jesus comes from an implant*!

*An implant is an incident of pain and unconsciousness on the whole track (past lives) where an idea is "implanted" into a person using force. So, Jesus is not and never was real. He is just an idea that was implanted into our minds. I don't recall if he explains the why behind this, but I think it has something to do with the basic make-up of the reactive mind. The point is, in scientology, all roads lead to psychs and priests. That is why all SuzanneMarie's arguments lead to psyches. I haven't heard her say much about priests, because its probably politically incorrect.

It used to be that way in the U.S., in the good ole days.


He's got that same look in his eyes.
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Dorothy, you are right, she was all over the FLDS thing. I am not sure if I agree that I am happy she is back...but am glad that she did not pass away!

Well .. i am not really surprised shes back.

They seem to bring her out of the closet, dust her off and set her to work obfuscating as many threads as possible ..whenever there is a BIG flap on....

When the flap has dropped off the priority list, they will re-embalm her and wheel her back into the closet for next time
Welcome back Suzannemarie... perhaps this time you will give direct answers to all the outstanding questions?

I have a feeling something big is coming down the pike. Tony Ortega keeps alluding to something this week.

Suzanne Marie is our Herro. To some extent she keeps us grounded when wishful thinking leads us to conclusions that logic and fact doesn't support. I rarely agree with her, but I don't think she's hardcore Scilon.

Having said that, I went to the sites she referenced. In my opinion they're just another group of nutballs. No more facts there than with CCHR. I thought it was funny as hell that they went to some lengths to distance themselves from Scientilogy and CCHR.

How do we know that behind the SM nick is always the same person ?
Just curious.

funny you should mention that, gray_geek

If you look at some of my earlier posts when suzannemarie was flouncing around the forums here... i mentoined several times that she seemed to be a "multi- persona entity"

Like the old indian tomahawk ..it has had 4 replacement heads and 6 replacement handles... but its still the same old tomahawk

She doesn't keep me grounded, but I agree with the second part. All their "evidence" against psychiatry is anecdotal (individual stories) of abuse. If individual stories were to become cause for eradicating an entire group or practice, then scientology itself would easily be eradicated from the planet.

Nearly all of our social institutions have anecdotal evidence or instances of abuse in their histories. Historically, hardcore abuse has occurred in our hospitals, our prisons, in our families, our governments, our schools, in our military and especially in our religions. To say that psychiatry is the underlying cause of everything that goes wrong on planet earth and all institutional abuse is pure craziness. I guess there was no such evil prior to the 1800's and the birth of Wilhelm Wundt? No one was tortured or locked up, no women or children were raped, and there were no lives ruined prior to 1850? So then LRon invents the "whole track" and says psyches are reincarnated and they keep coming back here lifetime after lifetime to wreak havoc. Then what did a "psyche" look like prior to 1850?

So that guy in the red robe who tortured and burned me at the stake back in 1497 was really a psyche? Oh, right, he was a "priest". Psyches and priests, same thing according to LRon. How convenient. And the craziness goes on and on...

It is true that psychiatry has been used as a tool by people in power to harass, abuse and control. Then so have various systems of economics, organized crime, religion, political ideologies, etc. Okay, now I'm repeating myself. Anyway, there is no evidence that psychiatry is the overall underlying cause of ruined lives on planet earth, and that if it were eradicated, all evil would disappear. This idea is nothing but a belief that is accepted as part of a system of indoctrination.

Psychiatry was LRon's natural enemy because he was muscling in on their territory. He was solving the problems of the human mind which was their agenda, and he could never compete with them on their level. So he sidestepped the issue, started a psychotherapy based "religion" and waged a campaign against them. Now his followers are engaged in a forever-war against their evil Nemesis. SuzanneMarie is being a good foot-soldier, earning her medals so she can get a good seat at the right-hand of LRon in the Galactic Empire of the Future.

Dorothy, I think that the similarity in looks between Xenophon & Ness goes even beyond just the look in the eyes! They have similar faces all around too!



Uh oh scientology! Looks like Eliot Ness is back and he's now gunning for the new crime mob: the Church of scientology! And he made it back before hubbard!