^^ He he. I knew you'd say that.

Even after you said that stuff about it being funny-weird. Oh yes of course: You didn't say you thought it was funny-weird. You asked me if I thought it was funny-weird. Silly me, thinking that you were insinuating that Gerry Armstrong is weird. Of course you didn't mean to insinuate that.

You're just expressing your admiration for Gerry aren't you Dorothy? It used to be Sartre, now it's Armstrong. Of course it is. I believe you.

There is no campaign to smear Gerry Armstrong and caroline is there? Silly me thinking there is.

She (Karen) has written highly charged and black PR language about the E-meter while still promoting that she delivers the entire Bridge, with an E-meter, of course. This is dishonest.

It is frankly cruel of Karen, and any other Scientologists, to continue the charade that Miscavige Scientology is black and Hubbard Scientology, and now Indie Scientology, is white. It is fraudulent, and she is benefiting from it.*

operatingwog, I think Don Carlo has the right to come to his own conclusions, based on his own research, and express them. He owns the right to do this same as you me, and everyone else here.

This is not a court of law, no one is "on trial" (really).

Censuring Don Carlo, me, or anyone else with constant demands for proof and evidence is IMO an effort to shut them up. We all come to our own conclusions and express them, even you. That's why it's an opinions and debates forum.

Not all negative conclusions about someone or something is an ad hom. Don Carlo is not running any campaign to destroy anyone. He is doing his own research and trying to get to the bottom of various loud disputes that have been going on. If you don't like a conclusion he made, I think you should state why you don't like it, and move on.

Caroline launched an extremely energetic ad hom campaign against Don Carlo, which I meticulously documented, above with multiple ad homs. Yet you never once asked her for any evidence for her claims issued in her serial attack against Don Carlo. Why not? Did you agree with all the things caroline wrote about Don Carlo? I have to assume you did. I have to conclude, based on what you challenge, and what you do not challenge, to figure out what you REALLY think.

One question to ask is, what does caroline get out of silencing Karen by driving her away? What does caroline get by stifling the thread so other ex-Scientologists are afraid to post there, lest caroline demand they criticize Hubbard and the Tech in a caroline-approved manner ?

operatingwog, please prove this "petty" accusation - you were the one, not me, that used the phrase "out-of-date." I repeatedly have said that competition is respectable; why are you thinking it's petty in this case?

Here's an example of competitiveness and emotionality. Karen writes her heart out describing a story of abuse. The next post is caroline telling her own abuse story. One could think caroline was trying to empathize in a sisterly way, until you get to the end of caroline's story, and caroline starts skewering:


This is not calm writing; it is inflammatory, simplistic and judgmental. Karen quit the board that moment. This thread Karen started, which at 25 pages has become quite a testimonial to CoS abuse, has been abandoned.

One question to ask is, what does caroline get out of silencing Karen by driving her away? What does caroline get by stifling the thread so other ex-Scientologists are afraid to post there, lest caroline demand they criticize Hubbard and the Tech in a caroline-approved manner ?

I offer three possibilities
A. caroline didn't plan to run Karen off this thread, which means caroline is unaware of her own aggression and insulting words, or
B. caroline doesn't benefit, and she wrecked a section of OCMB for nothing, or
C. caroline benefits by removing a rival and intimidating other Indies who might want to post but now fear her disapproval and attacks.

*Discussion of Abuses at Int Base, Riverside viewtopic.php?f=9&t=41348&start=315

Oh, now I see why this is personal. Karen#1 was criticizing Miscavige and not criticizing Hubbard enough. Gerry's area of expertise is the era before the early 1980's when he left CoS, and when Hubbard was the central cause of abuse and deceit. Any person who joined CoS before the 1980's and is focussing mostly on Miscavige, is carving out another area of expertise that competes with Gerry.

She (Karen) has written highly charged and black PR language about the E-meter while still promoting that she delivers the entire Bridge, with an E-meter, of course. This is dishonest.

It is frankly cruel of Karen, and any other Scientologists, to continue the charade that Miscavige Scientology is black and Hubbard Scientology, and now Indie Scientology, is white. It is fraudulent, and she is benefiting from it.

operatingwog if you cared about Gerry and caroline you would do something to try and help them, wouldn't you? Personally, I don't think what you're doing is really helping. I think you think you are helping, but I don't think you are really helping. Helping your friends includes pointing it out to them when they are messing up.

...I would like to comment on the E-meters.

In every facet of Scientology delivery there is ABUSE.
And so it is with Emeters.
In 2002 a team of Sea Org members were put through EXTENSIVE sleep deprivation in order to produce and beta test the new SUPER Mark VIII Emeter that the faithful flock were going to be further fleeced for.

A mere $4000 more.

The "New Mark VIII Ultra E-Meter." Getting there required hundreds of prototypes, designed, produced, and tested by auditors at the Int base. (Hardly any left NOW)

The meters were made in Japan. They have been sitting in a warehouse getting corroded since 2004.
Swifty, did you not do an analysis on what happens to aging electronics stored in a warehouse ?

Here's the Super Mark VIII !
(picture deleted to save space)
Will that be check, cash or VISA/Master card ?

Last edited by Karen#1 on Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:31 am, edited 1 time in total.

...There is no awareness, not one IOTA that the Church *CREATES* its own enemies.
That their conduct is despicable, inhumane, sadistic and against the law.
It devours every staff member in its wake by cruel and unusual punishment, by mind numbing months and months of police polygraph SEC CHECKS under the guise of "Religious Use" of an E-Meter.
(picture deleted to save space)
Thanks for sharing Larry.
...I am very glad Geoff shared with you the laughter, derision and mocking of confessional pc folder data ~~ the so-called Privacy with the Sanctity of a session ! Even though painful to hear, you are able to reveal to the world, just how dark and how low C of $ will go.
(Miscavige has also done the same mockery and laughter on Tom Cruise's private secrets with his inner circle!)

And I am so happy that you are sharing this with the world on the Internet what the so called "church" does with confessional data. It is no wonder the Vatican considers this *RELIGION* demonic ! The slaughter of babies, the mocking of the confessional, the sadistic imprisonment and predatory extortion of $$$$ life savings, and all the other destruction of lives, the enforced disconnections, the scams and so on.
The Al Capone of Religions !...

John Peeler wrote this :

Ramana says ~~

There is something in the Sea Org called "Meter check"

Suddenly out of the blue sky one must reports to "ETHICS".
The so called MAA Master at Arms. The Naval terms are used.

There, one must pick up the cans.

IF NO FLOATING NEEDLE WITH VGIS *Very Good Indicators* one is
routed to ETHICS as a SUSPECT of an ETHICS situation.

This is done for no reason, no act of omission or commission, it is meter checking
SUDDENLY as a pure random action.

I find the use of the Emeter in recent decades to abhorrent.
Each year worse than previous years.
There is a label at the back of every Emeter as ordered by the FDA. Food and Drug Administration.

“It is solely for the guide of Ministers of the Church in confessionals and Pastoral Counseling…and is for Religious Use”

Miscavige uses the E-meter as Police Polygraph machine.

It is used to “EXTORT” crimes.
It is used in GANG BANG interrogations.

Sea Org members like myself were hauled out of bed at 1 a.m. in the morning at INT base and
without sufficient sleep and food sec checked using the meter as police polygraph machine.

The questions became wilder and wilder.

Did I have a psychiatric background/connection ?
Had I been institutionalized ?
Was I plant from the CIA ?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To enter the Sea Organization you must write up your entire Life History, each segment of your life in great detail.,
This is Emeter checked for accuracy.

They know damn well you do not enter the Sea Org from an Institution.
The organizational becomes ADVERSARIAL on what they consider misconduct and
trap you in a room and hold you against your will and "Security Check" which is a kind of Mental trauma in itself.
Nancy Many had a complete mental breakdown in one of these sessions and wrote an entire book around it called
"My Billion Year Contract."
The story of the ultimate misuse of the Emeter driving someone insane.

The Emeter ~~ Religious ?
Don't be silly.

It is frankly cruel of Karen, and any other Scientologists, to continue the charade that Miscavige Scientology is black and Hubbard Scientology, and now Indie Scientology, is white. It is fraudulent, and she is benefiting from it.

This is my first post on OCMB.

There is more on the story of Alexander and me ~~~ I will re-tell some of my stories here on OCMB.
I ask that y'all be gentle with me.

I come from a different time and place and ask understanding.

Here is Goes with Story #1

3 weeks after I came out publicly against the Church the following Law Enforcement incident occurred
My pc confessional folders were studied head to toe as soon as it was known that I was disaffected
and speaking out against David Miscavige and telling INT BASE horror stories.

In my pc folders, they found that my CPA was a man named Bill Greene who has done my tax returns for some years.

There are tens of thousands of Bill Greenes in Los Angeles, but they got his city out of my pc folder due to some incident previously run.

It didn't matter that I was a 35 year contributor.
It didn't matter that they had turned my son Alexander against me.
I was speaking out vociferously against Miscavige so, as expected, retribution would occur.
David Miscavige personally orders the Dirty Deeds.
I will be posting more on this.....
Here's what occurred~~
Email received:::::
Subject: Very Very Important!!!!!!
Date: 7/20/2010 3:11:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time
From: XXXXXX@aol.com
Reply To:
Hi Karen,

Tried multiple times to reach you tonight but no call back. Thought you needed to know that we were visited at home today by an LA Co detective and his FBI partner to investigate a phone hotline tip they received anonymously] alleging that you were supplying children to me for some kind of underage sex related thing. They had our names and wanted your phone number which I did not give. I expect they will be coming to see you next. They said they have to investigate all such tips as a matter of course.

While the allegations are ridiculous and neither of us has anything to do with children of this age and type, someone clearly wants to harm both of us seriously. The tipster had a few genuine details to which they have added to in order to make them appear criminal.

<snip>

I'll tell you the rest when we talk and we can decide how to proceed. Probably better if we help them. I have no idea what or who could have generated this, but perhaps you may have.

Bill

Here's the rest of the story.
Bill Greene is a Harvard Business Graduate, active in Harvard Alumni. The FBI agent and Detective *FELT* they had been "had". After a 5 minute interview they felt this anonymous *TIP* was ridiculous and they asked Bill if had any enemies ?.

Bill could not think of an enemy and said NO.
They then asked if Karen de la Carriere had any enemies ?

"Oh ! Oh ! said Bill. "The Church"

"What Church? " they asked.

"The Church of Scientology" Physical body reaction from the Law enforcement agents. Interview over. Case closed.
They never came to see me !

Law Enforcement knows only too well the *Anonymous* phone calls re Church enemies.....

Yes, I contribute for 35 years and the *CHURCH* call in an anonymous tip that I smuggle underage Children for sex to my CPA.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It boggles the mind.

I have never made it a secret that I report Church criminals acts to Law Enforcement. I enjoy my relationships with different levels of Law Enforcement.
So I made a couple of phone calls......
My comm lines called these 2 visitors to Bill Greene to square away my Whistle Blower Status. My air cover by Law enforcement was incredible This all went down within minutes.
It was barely a blip on my computer screen
But a black eye for OSA.
I sent (something I would never thought of doing) the Wikileaks link to the OSA NETWORK ORDERS to Law enforcement comm lines.
The OSA Bible.
This was to explain why the "Church" carries on like this.

FINALE
From: Bill Greene <bill.greene@XXXX>
To: Detective XXXXX
XXXXXXX@ic.fbi.gov
Sent: Tue Aug 03 15:22:35 2010
Subject: July 20 Visit

Dear Det. Trapp,

You visited my home on July 20 with your partner from the FBI to inquire about an anonymous tip regarding some allegations about myself and my client, Ms. de la Carriere. I understand from her that it was decided that the allegations were false, the investigation is now closed, and was attributed to some retailiation by the Church of Scientology toward her.

As the event was quite disturbing, especially to my wife, may I ask you to forward some information on the incident to me by either email or regular mail. I'd like to request (1) a copy of the text of the anonymous allegation, (2) a copy of the resolution showing it was false, or dropped, and is closed, (3) copies of the badge ID or yourself and your partner, whose business card I didn't get.

You were certainly right that I had no idea my client had any such enemies.

Thank you very much.

William Greene, CPA

#################
I will not post further outcomes.
But I am happy to announce that I have collected up a huge amount of "church" Anonymous Phone call dirty tricks for Law Enforcement to circulate among themselves and post on Inter-Agency Boards.

Truth will OUT

Benny's Friend wrote:


Dear Benny's Friend.

Great posting ! Nothing is more remarkable than the fact that some Critics, Old Guard, Anonymous and Indies can become friends.

I have come from a place (The Sea Organization) where anyone who criticized Scientology was deemed a sub-human to be shunned and ignored.

A Suppressive Person ! A Pariah Dog !

Ah the freedom to befriend who I want !

I welcome as my friend anyone who seeks to End the internal "church" ABUSE. I admire how dedicated some CRITICS are in this CAUSE.

operatingwog wrote:


Operating Wog ~~

These are not easy questions and I am unable to give you a black and white answer (given the variables) but perhaps this will be helpful ~~

I believe the PTS/SP policies as enforced are the ACHILLES HEEL, the MOST self-destructive, the most metabolizing cancer within the Church, the most TOXIC pollutant
in Radical Taliban Scientology.

When I exited the cult on Marty's blog, I received, I kid you not, 500 Emails from around the world within 24 hours.
(I've been around a long while )

The amount of destruction that I read in these Emails (that has occurred on implementation of SP declare DISCONNECTION policy alone is why I stated the above.) It is over the TOP.

Now many religions have Excommunication. The Catholics do it, the Mormons do it ~~ there is some sense to excommunication ~~ let's say a Vatican Cardinal was doing embezzlement, child molestation and attempting to poison the Pope at the same time. I would see why they would excommunicate him. When a SP declare is done to remove someone truly evil from the group, then it is no different than excommunication. All churches have experienced excommunication used in ABUSIVE ways by leaders. The bigger picture is that all religious doctrines can be abused by corrupt leaders.

But the SP policies from Radical Scientology are used to harm and destroy relationships. What worked in the 1960s will not work in this digital age where an agonized Mother will Twitter or FACEBOOK her experience which will be read by the masses within seconds.

In the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, the declared SP was cut off from everyone, family, business. all Scientologists ~~ he was thrown into a no man's land.
Now, the newly Declared SP makes 100s of friends overnight. He posts on Boards, he joins the Indies, he has 1000s of overnight friends, a whole culture of freedom and new friendships.

NEVER INTERRUPT YOUR ENEMY WHEN HE IS MAKING A MISTAKE

~~ NAPOLEON BONAPARTE

Jeff Stone is in the deep pockets of Radical Scientology who organize and arrange $$$ donations for him

Francois Choquette June 7, 2011
Gary and Thelma Grant
RCUC-Riverside County United Communities
Watchdog Group
P. O. Box 2057
Sun City, CA 92586
Enforcement Division
Fair Political Practices Commission
428 J Street, Suite 620
Sacramento, California 95814
______________________________________________________________________
(long document asking for expanded review of Stone, deleted)

Sincerely,
Francois Choquette
Gary and Thelma Grant for

Riverside County United Communities Watchdog group

Thank you Glibby for this very gracious post.

She is a Scientologist in good standing. Born and raised in it.
She could use all the good wishes and postulates as she can get.

Like you, I wish Tommy Davis and Jessica the very best at this difficult time.
They have more friends than it would appear

Bright Blessings and Godspeed on this journey

Graham Berry wrote:


♥♥♥♥ Graham ♥♥♥♥

Don Carlo wrote:


Some cycles are done in a fever til 2am.
Take the Case of Barbara Dakin, new OT VIII an older Los Angeles resident and community activist.
She owned her house free and clear in Silver Lake.

But the week her 78 year old husband died, the IAS regges moved into her home til 2am.
a GANG OF THEM. She told me this herself.

They took her dead husband's 401 K, they took his pension, they made her put a Trust deed on her home and left with $1 million in one evening ...4-5 hours work for $1 million dollars.

So she has no free and clear home, she is a widow, she is in her 70s, she must pay for her mortgage monthly but she has a beautiful cert A Patrion Meritorius Victorius Diamonte Titanium Glorius !

Nice to shake down a recent widow for $1 million for a cert that is gold embossed !

There is another kind of punishment I am all too familiar with in my near 20 years in the Sea Organization.

SLEEP DEPRIVATION

This is meted out mostly from Corporate Greed to get production done over the top of little sleep.
I reported above on Eric Knutson's essay:::::::
Construction lasted for months. There were many separate occasions where we were ordered to do “all nighters” working 2 to 3 days at a time without sleep to keep production on schedule. It was not uncommon during these “blitzes” to find construction staff sleeping in hidden corners on cold concrete slabs with only their clothes to keep warm in an effort to recover from the fatigue, even if only for an hour. Anything helped. I’ve seen staff sleep standing up due to sheer exhaustion.

Yet all our actions have consequences. Thanks to Miscavige keeping everyone up around the clock, on one horrific occasion at 4 AM after already being up for approximately 68 hours, I witnessed one incoherent staff member run his hand through a table saw equipped with a dado blade (a wide blade used for making large grooves or channels in wood.) He lost 3-4 fingers just like that. He was taken to the hospital, but afterward his hand was useless. David Miscavige couldn't have cared less.

EVEN More cruel is the torture perpetrated on Jenny (Linsen) de Vocht

Here is Jenny is her younger days in the Sea Org. (picture deleted)

She is most famous for attacking Anderson Cooper on the CNN all week series "Scientology, a History of Violence"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcg-K78i7Fk

But Jenny de Vocht has been incarcerated in the infamous dungeon "SP HOLE" and here is an incident at occurred to her:::

Jenny De Vocht the "Commanding Officer CMO Int" was forced to stay up for non-stop seven days... until her eyes were dark and hollow sockets. Even the CIA classifies shorter bouts of sleep deprivation as "torture." When Jenny finally crawled into a bed, Miscavige had her hauled back to the CMOI conference room ("the Hole" a.k.a. "SP Hall"). Meanwhile, Miscavige also had a bed brought in and placed in the middle of the room. After humiliating and degrading Jenny as a "weakling who couldn’t go without sleep," he ordered her to go to sleep in the bed while all CMO staff watched. After a week of no sleep, Jenny dozed for the next two days in a conference room full of people who were themselves not allowed to leave until she got out of bed.

SOURCE: http://www.scientology-cult.com/skeleto ... loset.html

This is Jenny de Vocht on CNN 20 years later. (Picture deleted)

Marc Headley (former Senior Executive at Golden Era Productions in International Management, 1995-2000): (photo deleted)

THE HUMILIATION of having to clean areas of FECES and URINE

I would like to take up something that portrays how punishment is not only sadistic, but is humiliating and a health hazard.

PUNISHMENT DETAIL
OF CLEANING THE BILGES
as ordered by DAVID MISCAVIGE

For those readers that have not lived on a ship, the BILGE is the lowest compartment on a ship where the two sides meet.
The word is sometimes also used to describe the water that collects here.. Water that does not drain off the side of the deck drains down through the ship into the bilge. This water may be from rough seas, rain, or minor leaks but marine slime, dissolving crud, grease, oil build up, mold, bacteria and even urine can collect in the BILGES. It has an extremely foul smell, and when the wind shifts when you are on a ship, a FOUL ODOR comes up from the BILGES.

It is the disgusting cocktail slushing about in the BILGES.

FEDERAL REGULATIONS RE BILGES
This cruddy foul smelling water and debris is so bad that it is considered a HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE. There is no dumping of the BILGE water FROM ANY SHIP into waterways, it is considered serious pollution with HUGE FINES. It is so bad that even a small amount of contaminants can appear as a visible sheen on the water and the fine is $20,000 a day. Most boatyards have waste reception facilities.

Because the "Pope" of Scientology David Miscavige enjoys SADISM and BRUTALITY and long duration pain and suffering, he enforced Mike Rinder, Heber Jentzsch (at 75 yrs old) Mark Yager
and a host of other INT EXECs “clean” the bilges, 14 hours a day for weeks and weeks at a time.

This has been going on in recent years.
If you ever were forced to be in this grotesque muck , breathing in the fumes and being forced to “clean” it for 1 hour a day you would throw up and go into OVERWHELM. Never mind 14 hours a day.
The sadistic Miscavige, ENJOYS and has been seen to LAUGH
at the fate of veteran SO INT execs, day after day, hour after hour, week after week, with no Hazmat ( protection)SUIT clean the BILGES of FREEWINDS.
He used to do it on INT base with the FECES pond, excreta, slime, leeches and dead birds were so caked in the pond, that people were becoming very very sick when they were thrown into. Later, DM forced the execs to clean it by hand.
When Mark Headley (BLOWN FOR GOOD) reported the dunking of SO members into the FECES pool at INT BASE and it aired all over the Internet, that punishment was withdrawn.(Picture deleted)
But it only moved to cleaning of the FREEWIND’s BILGES out in the ocean. The "Church" of Scientology ship FREEWINDS is a punishment vehicle under no jurisdiction of any government.

A little note on why the fear of being RPFd.

Note how it is used as a constant threat.
I was in an Org where every muster 3 times a day the RPF was threatened for non-performance.

It is a psychotic way to live. THREATEN and THREATEN and ATTACK your own workers.
The RPF is a leper colony where you are cut off from the outside world, with cold left overs to eat,
rice and beans, reduced sleep, heavy hard manual labor with the threat of the RPF's RPF around the corner.

It is total lock down. No days off, no communication to the outside world.
It is medieval punishment.

Here is what is incomprehensible. The "Church" knows damn well the program does not work. You cannot find
one single success story or any person made well or made into a productive staff member from having done the RPF program.

On the other hand, a HUGE vast amount FLEE (blow), route out, find a medical excuse or some excuse to leave AFTER or mid the RPF.

The RPF wakes people up to the DARKER side of the Church. It not only does not give results, it causes further disintegration even of the more loyal hard core who reach a threshold and depart.
(picture of barbed wire deleted)
The turnover is incredible.
Every year on "Sea Org Day" the staff are asked to stand up to be applauded for longevity.


One year in Sea Org
85% stand up

2 Years in the Sea Org
8% stand up

3 years in the Sea Org
4% stand up

4 years in the Sea Org
1.5% stand up

5 Years in the Sea Org.
1% stand up/.

6 years in the Sea Org.
(you can do a finger count)

7 years in the Sea Org
Finger Count

8 years in the Sea Org
2 handfuls.

9 or more years in the Sea Org
1 handful.

NOTE : exceptions to this are INT BASE where they are all in lock down and cannot escape.
The Sea Org is a revolving door
You join. You get clobbered. You move on
Other more stupid ones like myself stayed almost 2 decades. (trapped because of marriage and kid)

SME wrote:
Karen#1 wrote:


Thank you Larry.

David Miscavige is fixated on sexual organs, sex, sexual perversion and sexual irregularites.
It is on record that he has laughed and joked about Tom Cruise's private sexually activity from
Tom's confessionals with his inner circle.

(Picture of Miscavige and Cruise on motocycles deleted)

Among the staff at INT base it has been widely reported that his language is of street whore.
This is the way he speaks to THE most Senior of Senior Execs

One time at a meeting for an event, he told Marc Yager or Guillaume Leserve that the only expansion they had ever caused was when they stuck their cocks in each other's assholes. (quote Marc Headley in the book "Blown for Good" ~~ he was there when Miscavige said this)

The Story of Daniel Asse Part One

The St. Pete Times, soon to be renamed Tampa Bay Times is exposing draconian predatory "reg" cycles ($$$ Money being extorted by a "Registrar" laughing called "donations".) Yeah right, the person is in lock down til early hours of the morning forced to max credit cards and take out a loan, a 2nd trust deed, 3rd trust deed for a "donation".

Daniel's rip off occurred in the last 2 to 3 years.
The Church refunded a portion because he threatened to go to
the media. But they kept the bulk amount.

(picture deleted)
Daniel Asse

Thanks much Larry.

Of course there is WDC (Watch Dog Comittee), ~~ no one on post, no Exec Strata, RTC down to some 12 personnel at INT Base, even Warren Mcshane doesn't make his regular calls to Riverside Sheriff these days.......another highly abused, de-humanized made-into-a-compliant vegetable by Miscavige.

NO wonder no cell phones are permitted at INT Base !
Cell phones have cameras and ability to tape record !.
Cell phones have been confiscated from 98% of the crew !
They have some kind of modified contraption where they can only talk within the base

Imagine having a cell phone video clip of Miscavige's beating and stumping on and humiliating one of these INT execs.

Larry this is excellent input.

Did you know that a law firm is suing the CST board of Directors for their bogus sham corperation and so on ? Much to the chagrin of Miscavige and frothing-in-the-mouth Moxon. (See Private Email)

ADDENDUM on Guillaume Lesevre

Because the Church has the attitude and strong internal feeling that it has NEVER EVER done anything WRONG , it is FLAWLESS, it is SUPREME in its GOODNESS and RIGHTNESS, daring to state you want to depart is HIGH TREASON and ENEMY.

Only a psycho, it is argued would want to leave such a worker's PARADISE !

When I first heard the term "Worker's Paradise" in relation to INT Base ~~ I thought it was satire from Anonymous ! No, I was wrong, C of $ actually called INT BASE ~~ their "One flew over the Cuckoo's NEST" insane asylum of beatings, lock down, endless SLEEP DEPRIVATION , seances, non stop demands for CRIMES....the C of S called it a WORKER's PARADISE in a defense video to CNN"s series "A History of Violence" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcg-K78i7Fk

There is no accounting for such hallucination and delusion.
It always boggles the mind.

So when Stacy and Vaughn Young blew, after suffering their own atrocities within the Church, and having had enough of ATTACK from within, the Church could not conceive that the earlier beginning was their own viciousness on Stacy.

They had MADE and CREATED the enemy Stacy has now become.

Now that Stacy was testifying publicly, appearing on 60 minutes and Dateline, the Church went into full bore malicious FAIR GAME.

Stacy was speaking out !

So I was incensed and appalled to read what the "Church" did to attack Stacy's Animal Rescue.

++++++Stacy received drop-off stray dogs and cats and fostered them til she found homes for them. It really was pure charity work the only one of its kind in her neck of the woods. (West Seattle)

SkepticGirl2 questions

Sergio Mora was the Senior Chaplain at the Flag Service Org.
(picture deleted)
Born and raised in Chile, he was a popular English/Spanish bi-lingual friendly soul from in the Sea Org at Flag in Clearwater 1984-2001.

I had left Flag Service Org by 1982 to work in the Los Angeles area (AOLA and OSA INT) so Sergio and I did not meet til only recently.

Once again I hear a tale of THUGGERY, BATTERING, OVERWHELM, OVER THE TOP PUNISHMENT ~~~~~
So what else is new ?

Sergio handled cycles to do with members of the public that had marital disputes, financial disputes, court cases, comfort and support when a death had occurred and so on. He was in high demand. The Public flew in from all over the world to have special time with Sergio.

One day, Sergio, just for the hell of it, went off the "Flag Land Base" and got a drink or a few drinks at a local bar. This was done "without permission."

Having a guilty conscience, Sergio revealed it in a confessional session.

ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE.

He was summoned into Ethics interviews, Investigated for his CRIMES, dogged to give up heinous "WITHOLDS" and on and on it went.

In the course of "INVESTIGATING" him, it was found that he had the Email addresses of a large amount of Flag public. He used these for his post duties as Chaplain ! But he sat, in a confined space where, incredulously a gang bang crowd of "SEA ORG EXECUTIVES" accused him of STEALING the FLAG Data Base names for himself !

A data base ONLY on a SEA ORG owned computer, only USED for his work.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, he was put in lockdown in confined spaces, the works.


ATTACK ATTACK MAD DOG ATTACK even on its own hard working staff members.
Cannibalizing even on its own loyal staff, for some odd reason, the Sea org does not view
this as "ATTACK." It is called ETHICS or the famous Miscavige devised phrase "SEVERE REALITY ADJUSTMENT" affectionately called in the Sea Org an "SRA."

Sergio fled the Sea Organization in 2001, never turning back.
He does not have to work 80 hours a week for 13 cents an hour and eat rice and beans !
He is very successful in the automobile industry free from the insanities of the CULT

I love it when people survive and make it through it all and come out a WINNER !
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Can you feel the love ?

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IAS IMPACT magazine #127 showing its members how Law Enforcement supports its benevolence !

J. Swift

It is VERY UNUSUAL that Danny Sherman is paid $10,000 a month (for 15 years!) and that they bought him a house right next to the base, this is unheard of.

In the culture, it is so MANDATORY to sign a Sea Org Contract.

Yes, he is old Guardian's Office staff. But remains there without being recruited into Sea Org ?
?
Here is an example of Danny Sherman saying absolutely NOTHING in 164 words ! (speech writing for Miscavige)
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Yes, that’s really what he said. Can you believe it? It’s one sentence, one hundred and sixty-four words.
Source : http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com ... -steroids/

Sponge ~~

I do not post on WWP.
But I could not resist chipping in here to post my Passport /Apollo story::::

My passport was invalid because it had expired. Passports were needed, especially for Missions to various countries.

On arrival on the Apollo, before anything, the "Port Captain" Sea Org member confiscated the passport.

My passport was previously British (Now US) The Port Captain Office called to tell me I needed to get a new one briefed me thoroughly on what to say to the British Embassy.
I was to avoid any mention of Scientology. In the continuing THEM vs US culture, I we were slowly educated that the WOG world was evil and bad and and one kept all secrets within.

I was told I had to return with a valid passport in 3 hours.

Problem was in the islands we were at there was no British Embassy. We were in the Caribbean ~~~ agricultural Islands with few Embassies. And the more advanced Islands such as Aruba and Curacao were Dutch Colonies, not British.

Finally we arrived in Jamaica, a former British Colony with a British Embassy.

I saw an attache and gave the story of "OTC" ~~ I was on a ship called "Operation Transport Corporation" a Business Management training ship.

Unfortunately, the British Embassy knew all about the Apollo and did not buy any of my story. I was shuffled to different probing staff and looked at with magnifying glasses. I knew the Embassy wanted a lot for info on the Apollo.

I stuck to my story.

Finally, I blurted a plea for a temporary passport as I would be going to London the following month and could get it all squared away in the UK. I would pay the extra *RUSH* /URGENT Fee.

Who knows what they were doing in the background? What telexes, what phone calls they made ?
I was at the Embassy for 6 hours, I kid you not.

Finally, I was issued a temporary British Passport valid for 60 days. Notes on the Apollo were handwritten inside the passport.

I fled the Embassy, took a taxi to the dock.

The Apollo had gone !!!!!!

The Apollo had set sail without me... (Later I found out that the berthing of the Apollo was opposite a chemical factory belching out poisonous fumes which were affecting the lungs of Apollo crew and especially LRH so the order was to leave.)

If you could imagine what it is like, to stand on a dock, in an island in the middle of nowhere with nothing in the world except some few bucks with one's home, one's dwellings, ones friends vanished into thin air.

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I felt very alone as I stood on the dock, staring into the setting sun. I had absolutely nothing with me to survive, not even $$$ for a hotel.

My home, my berthing, my belongings, my post, my world had vanished. I stared at the Ocean ahead, standing on the dock, it was a feeling of disbelief, yet tracking in some other time zone !

To be continued......

Thanks very much Don Carlo.

Can you list out the 4 entities connected with /managing/running FREEWINDS ?
Their full names and function titles ?

There is a certain arrogance in the way the C of $ feels it can keep the huge donations
while declaring the donor a SUPPRESSIVE PERSON and excommunication them at the same time.

The donations are extorted with outright lies of impending doom and disaster.

I myself received repeated calls telling me they had to give me an URGENT briefing on GERMANY

"Germany" is used an excuse for predatory $$$$$ actions.

The fact that C of $ caused numerous flaps in Germany by unheard of shark frenzy incidents to extort $$$$$
causing animosity is never mentioned.
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WHEN Scientology SADISM is reported by a LAW FIRM in the Maritime Industry we are making Headway !

Full video of INDIE Valeska Guider to boot !

READ MORE READ MORE !

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/articles/w ... uise-news/
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Miscavige is a vampire personality. But everyone bows and obeys.

+++He has sent his own wife away, she s banished and hidden and there is no end in sight as to when she will re-appear. In the Church culture, she is undoubtedly getting police polygraphing ("Sec Checking daily")
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David Miscavige forced his own parents to divorce.
They obeyed him !

There is very much a hierarchy of superiority in the Church. No such thing as one human being equals another Human Being. The higher up the food chain the more you have the right to utterly ABUSE and BULLY those lower down the food chain.

David Miscavige ordered all RTC staff to divorce their spouses if they got FIRED or BUSTED out of RTC "Religious Technology Center".
They obeyed him !

So even though SEA ORG they live on the same base :::Gold Base/Int Base, they are strictly forbidden to fraternize or be social with Sea Org members in a lower "ORG" on the same INT BASE !

It is an Ethics Offense ! Hard labor around the corner !

The lower the echelon, the more you are tromped on.
It is the most dramatic "Class" or "Caste system" you have ever heard of.

One of the messages loud and clear in the Sea Organization in the near 2 decades I served is "There is no money $$$ for medical" ""No money in FP" (Financial planning)

This means the County, the State, Uncle Sam tax dollars must pay for the Sea Org member's health issues.

What a scam !

$1.5 billion in one account alone (IAS) but no money to pay for slaved Sea Org members !

In Los Angeles they are sent to USC COUNTY Medical hospital.
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This a free facility where indigents, hobos and worse sit on the benches along with Sea Org members waiting 6 to 8 hours for "free medical" from the student doctors learning their medicine at University of Southern California Medical school.

I have been there and it is grim.

Off the hook on taxes 501c3 but make the State and Federal pay for Sea Org Medical !

Marc Headley quoted who posted this on OCMB::::

viewtopic.php?p=319244&sid=a41ada4e4217f23c6234735682124f44#319244
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SPONGE quoted :
Quote:

"4. IT IS A HIGH CRIME TO PUBLICALLY DEPART SCIENTOLOGY"
I think it is MORE of a high crime, to sadistically imprison someone against their will,
torment them with police polygraphing pretending it is RELIGIOUS, have them endure SLEEP DEPRIVATION live on rice and beans, AND when they finally flee

Have Disconnection occur from

Their children
Their Parents
Their siblings.
Their Doctor
Their Dentist
Their CPA
Their Veterinarian
Their Lawyer
etc

The C of $ make the above listed PUBLICLY depart from the departed Scientologist !

Larry:::
Hansuili Stahli and Heidi Stahli I have known since 1980.
We were at the Flag Land Base together. They were really likeable.
Then they turned on David Mayo ferociously like they were superior
when they were relatively new guys on the block and did not have a clue.....
I have wondered at Hansuili's endurance level given the fact
that he has been doing Sec Checks for Miscavige for some 30 YEARS !

Imagine sec checking others for 30 years for Miscavige Just stop and think about that...

With the wave of people leaving and defecting from the Church, Miscavige sent out a 3 personnel Mission in the last 3 or more years.

1) Marion Pouw, (Marion Dendui) old GO, then Author Services,then personal valet and cleaner for Miscavige then go-to missionaire for Miscavige.
2) Mike Sutter (former CO OSA INT and many times low jobs at GOLD ~~then go-to missionaire for Miscavige.
3) Hansuili Stahli. ~~Always the sec checker in recent years go-to "missionaire" for Miscavige.

What the 3 above were sent out to do, was to talk disaffected people to come back to "the mother Church".
This was a rough assignment. Almost no one played ball.

Hansuilli, over a year ago made some error, a minor flunk and he was assigned to the gallery to wash pot dishes in Los Angeles, where I believe he still is.

When you get in bed with a snake, expect to be bitten !
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Hansuili has worked for some 30 years without a day off. He has now incurred the wrath of Miscavige and there will be no end in sight as to the ABUSE he will receive. It is no fun to wash dishes many long hours month and month out sunrise to sunset.

Mike Sutter and Marion have vanished into thin air That means they were RECALLED Missionaires.
Failed Mission !
You and I know how ominous it is to be RECALLED !

Mike and Marion are most likely in SP Hole for their CRIMES !