But more importantly, when someone, in a community or forum like this, is accused of lying, and the accusation is accurate, the lie is a statement of fact, a factual assertion. The person who made the factual assertion – the lie – is responsible, in most cases, for supporting that factual assertion. The burden of proof does not shift to the victim of the lie because the victim accuses the liar of lying.
When a lie is told, the victim of the lie may pursue it in every accessible medium, and may confront that liar until the end of time, or until the liar admits lying. If lies are not pursued and liars not confronted then they will bury the truth.*
Let's do an overview and then put you into this statement and use probabilities and the term false, because lying is such a judgmental and scornful term.
Overview: caroline said karen was negative about the e-meter while presently using it and caroline condemned this supposed action as dishonest ; caroline's claim was 100% false based on posts from this message board. This was proved by a search showing Karen only made six posts that mentioned the e-meter and all of them criticized the abusive personal actions done with the e-meter, and none criticized the e-meter itself.
caroline also said that karen talked about Miscavige-black-and-Hubbard-white, and caroline condemned this action as fraudulent. Based on a 10% sample, this statement is unproven. I saw one post positive about "the tech" by karen and nothing directly saying Hubbard was good.
Putting caroline into her own statement
is accused of producing a falsehood, and the accusation is accurate, the falsehood is a statement of fact, a factual assertion. caroline
, who made the factual assertion – the falsehood – is responsible, in most cases, for supporting that factual assertion. The burden of proof does not shift to don carlo, speaking for karen
because don carlo accuses carolinel of producing a falsehood. (The last six words must change because karen quit posting on the board rather than accuse caroline about lying about Karen being dishonest/ fraudulent. I am standing in for Karen and saying that caroline has made one definitely false statement and one probably false statement, 10% of posts being a significant sample.)
I can imagine that Karen was deeply insulted, since her last post was the one immediately before the dishonest/fraudulent post. Maybe Karen but wasn't used to doing search skills, and it's harder to be dispassionate when the insults are so personal. She may have thought a defense like "that's not true" which would trigger a new round of "you're lying about that not being true" from caroline, and couldn't see a way to defend herself. I'm used to doing searches, so I was able to do a sufficient amount of research to make the above claim, that by caroline's own reasoning, caroline has to produce proof for the "dishonest" charge and the "fraudulent" charge, and if not, apologize to Karen.
*Is willful lying okay on OCMB?
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:27 pm , page 1 viewtopic.php?f=9&t=46288