The thread has been locked for me as early as 22 Dec 2011, 09:02 (PST). I noticed shortly before that time that the thread was locked, when I tried unsuccessfully to use the quote function for preparing this OCMB post. But Don Carlo was able to post in it on 24 Dec 2011, 16:55.

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At WWP threads are kept at the top of the page forever if they contain extremely important information. I do not know about the OSMB policies.

The thread opened up. So, Caroline, are you going to answer my questions on page 11 and 12?

Yes, I see that the thread is now open. The "mystery" was that the thread was still locked for me when I made the post ^, 28 minutes after you had posted your test message. It was odd that you were able to post to that thread when it was locked for me, so I took a screenshot.

I'm hopeful that there's a logical explanation.



My other work continues.

I'm a mod now, and I didn't know I had the power to post on a locked thread; I have just found this out. I wondered if THAT thread was locked since nobody was posting on it. I posted on it and I thought, well, the thread must be open to everyone. I was wrong. When I saw your post I asked about his and found I had this power, and asked to get the locked thread unlocked. I don't know yet how to lock and unlock threads. My mod powers have been confined so far to eliminating about forty spam posts a day. Ugg boots seem to love spamming on OCMB.

Can you answer my questions on page 11 and 12 ?

Some yes, some no.

You've made a big thing of me not being who I say, Dorothy -- not only on the board but also in pms.

Swift has also said some things along this line ("I wish you'd stop pretending you aren't the same person as x, y, z").

And Don Carlo also just came up with the idea that multiple people post from my account.

When I was first attacked in this way I felt quite shocked and -- obviously -- rather powerless. How do you go about persuading people that you are who you say you are? And why don't they believe you in the first place? It's not very nice.

It's only recently that the applicable word has occurred to me: "misdirection".

If you really were who you say you are, Dorothy, and really believed the things you say you believe, I don't think you'd be making such a fuss about who I am would you?

Soderqvist1: In Karen de la Carriere Essay of February 5, 2011 she claimed that she saw in Hubbard’s handwriting that he was furious that David Mayo was running around a pool with out-ruds,
(it is implicit that it is a fine rundown if the ruds is in), and John Axcel was beaten by David Miscavige and Hubbard didn’t know what was going on. I pointed out for her that Jesse Prince saw the order in Hubbard’s own handwriting that Hubbard ordered the beatings of Mayo and Axcel, and Marty justified that by claiming Miscavige tricked Hubbard to believe that they was on FBI’s paying list, and corrected Jesse by saying that it was probably John Axcel, not Jon Attack who was beaten by Miscavige. Vicki Aznaran also witnessing the beatings of John Axcel as can be seen in her Affidavit item 14. So by now she knows that Hubbard did know, but still misinform others about it and what else is she covering up for him?

It is Christmas day, 9:50 AM Eastern USA Time. I am sitting alone in my Manhattan apartment. I am sober, but not for long -- soon I’ll be going to my cousin’s, she knows how to throw a party.

Anyway, while I ‘m still in my apartment, I decided to go over several pages of Gerry’s website. I still was not able to fully understand his position, but it seems to me that he is saying that the Freezoners and the Indies are the interested parties in his agreement with CoS. (He calls them “beneficiaries”)

Gerry, I am racking my brain trying to understand your writings; it is quite possible that I misunderstood your line of reasoning -- this is my disclaimer.

But if I understood you correctly, you are dead wrong -- you cannot claim that they are somehow involved in your agreement with CoS because there is no written consent on their part. In other words, neither they nor their legal representatives signed the document. There are no other interpretations of the law.

If you want to be a moral authority it is fine with me as long as somebody wants to accept you as such. But for me the only moral authority I can think of is the Creator.

Merry Christmas to everyone!

Thanks, Peter, you must work hard and/or have a great memory to find these posts, and you're so brief and calmly factual. If caroline read that post by Karen, that helps explain why caroline was so frustrated by Karen when Karen admitted there was abuse but Karen told tamasin she didn't see the abuse that tamasin saw. However, my point still holds that Karen never maintained that Hubbard was white while Miscavige was black. Furthermore, tamasin's stories are much worse than Karen,so Karen DIDN'T see the extensive abuse tamasin saw. Therefore, caroline's claim that Karen maintained Hubbard was white and therefore the "fraudulent" word applies, is unproven and may not be provable. If caroline can't come up with a quote unprovable, it is wrong to for caroline to use the word "fraudulent" and she should apologize.

I agree with DLRH that the "beneficiaries" claim is very hard to understand. I believe the misunderstanding is what the "lying" is about and hence this whole thread.

I wish someone who knew for sure could explain it (without any rancor, of course).

The word that seems applicable to me is "intel op." You get glimpses of the covert part. The overt black propaganda is, in the way the Scientologists and their collaborators operate, actually a cross between intelligence and PR.





Ostensibly legitimate, card-carrying critics have participated for years in smearing Gerry. That this black PR doesn't serve the Scientologists' purposes toward him, that these purposes are not malevolent, and that the black PR merchants don't know that they're attempting to effect a derogatory reaction, is ridiculous. Years ago he stopped being a critic because of certain critics serving the Scientologists' purposes of defaming and destroying him and persons similarly situated, and persons that might support them against the black PR.

For example, see this page on one of the Scientologists' early black propaganda sites:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/gerald-armstrong/what-his-friends-think-of-him/

See also, this early effort to assemble and deal with black PR on Gerry and me on a.r.s.
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/usenet/goon-squad-follies.html

For related reading:
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/usenet/clameleon-op.html
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/

As has been shown, the Indies under Rathbun also participate in black PRing Gerry and me, and in so doing execute Miscavige's command intention regarding us. Miscavige's command intention is unmasked malevolence. It serves his purposes to have critics, either wogs or Indies, to attack his targets like Gerry and me.

We have reason to believe that persons involved in the black PR documented on these pages are also involved in the black PR being generated on OCMB.

Scientologists and their collaborators, agents, etc., have a history of going after people who would defend, or might "act in concert" with Gerry and me. FTR, I have never met you IRL, and don't have a relationship with you other than on OCMB.

But notice that the very idea or charge of your being our friend or being close or cyber buddies is presented as something wrong or bad. That black PR undoubtedly caused you to act to confirm that you are not close and have no relationship with us. This is intel plus a marginalization function. I am sure that you do not do that, or are compelled to do that with many other people in life.

Obviously Gerry and I do not know who has or has had moderator privileges on this board, or access to sensitive or private information. But now that we know that there are moderators who serve the Scientologists malevolent purposes toward us, we must act accordingly.

Caroline, no one here is working with the indies to black PR you and Gerry. Perhaps you think Karen and Swift were. Ironically, they think they were targeted and Black PR'd.

People had questions that they felt you hadn't answered. You felt attacked by the people asking the questions. Ironically the same thing happened to Karen.

As I said before, we're all just people here, trying to stop the abuse.

Let's move on from dismantling one another.