IANAL, but Debbie could send a lawyer-approved certified letter to Miscavige and his lawyers* announcing "I never got a copy of the agreement and if I don't get a copy in X days I will consider it void and start talking." If no response in X days, it is obvious CoS fears the agreement is legally weak and possibly embarassing. She could start talking about having no copy of the agreement, send more letters, and start revealing stuff. Florida statute of limitations for fraud is four years, so she should wait until four years after her exit, to protect herself from fraud lawsuits.**

I bet when outsiders settled with CoS, both sides got a copy of the agreement. For example, Lisa McPherson's family must have a copy because they had their own lawyers. It's often Sea Org workers that get the shaft in these gag agreements, signing an agreement and walking away without their copy.

Another angle is that, if verbally Debbie was threatened with disconnection from family still in Scientology, she signed under duress which also voids the agreement.

* I remember posts about people failing to get certified letters to a Sea Org person, so the letter should go to Miscavige with a cc to CoS's main lawyer-whores Kendrick Moxon, Monica Yingling, and Stephen and Sherman Lenske.
** http://www.statuteoflimitations.net/flo ... ations.htm

Dox? I don't agree, so your analogy that we ALL believe as you do is poor. I know tons of people who routed out without a gag agreement. Did you?

Dox on the "tons of people", please. As to your question, I didn't route out; I blew.

Is this thread going to turn into another slap-fest?

Coz >I< for one have had enough of the stinking up of decent threads

Do I understand correctly that Mr. Rathbun is collecting money for a "Debbie Cook Defense Fund" without her authorization or participation? Has she, in fact, been sued? Does this litigation ever end? Seems like the 'indies' are acting just like the 'insies'.

Marty claimed through his "sources" she was being sued, so to look like the white knight, he took it upon himself to start a defense fund for her, despite an earlier thread requesting Independents to ignore her.

No evidence has been presented to show Debbie asked for nor authorized the fund in her name. Marty just decided to do it, and his fan club are coughing up donations. Several people, including myself, have called & left messages for Debbie & Wayne & pm'd her on Facebook to inquire whether she asked for or approved of the defense fund.. but they have not responded.

I've not seen any evidence either, that she's being sued, threatened to be sued or that she's even asked for anyone's help let alone Marty Rathbun.


ref: https://whyweprotest.net/community/thre ... st-2029449

So he's asking for donations to a "defense/offense" fund that wasn't asked for by the person who hasn't even verified whether she's being sued or needs anyone else to help even if she was. Furthermore, if she doesn't want the donations then Marty is saying he won't return them because he's already decided that they likely all be used up.
Hmm sounds totally transparent and legit.



edit: typo

What is a Hubbardarian sect without a war chest? Inevitable, no?

Actually, it's illegal. And because he's accepting donations from out-of-state (the fund is based out of Marty's home in Texas), Marty could be charged with violating federal law.

It all boils down to whether Debbie authorized the fund in her name. If she didn't, she, or the people that contributed to the campaign, would need to file charges with the FBI. The complainant cannot remain anonymous.

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

The problem with Marty is that he's still operating from his Inspector General mindset when he was still in the cult. He feels he's invincible and untouchable by the authorities. And his adoring fan club of Independents only makes matters worse. One of these days, Marty's going to get knock at the door, and be brought back to reality, when some cold, stainless steel handcuffs are slapped on him.

"We are putting the defense (offense) together now..."
- MR
"Always attack, never defend..."
- LRH
"Can the leopard change his spots?"
- Jeremiah 13: 23

Are you sure about that?

If that's true, then this website:

http://www.fundraisingip.com/fundraisin ... donations/

is helping to create lots of extra criminals.

And this one:

http://nonprofit.about.com/od/qathebasi ... donate.htm

Is not warning people that it is illegal and is giving them bad advice.

Marty knows he can be in big trouble (lawsuits etc.) with this if he doesn't account for the funds or uses them for some other purpose without the approval of the donors. At the very least he risks pissing off his followers.

Personally I think a legal defense fund for the victims of the Cult's legal attacks is a good idea. I'm glad Marty is helping Debbie. She should be helped imo.

Smurf, how is it illegal? People give all kinds of donations to all kinds of things online.

Re-read the post I was responding to, especially this "Furthermore....if she doesn't want the donations then Marty is saying he won't return them because he's already decided that they likely all be used up......"

If Marty is raising money for a defense fund for someone that has not requested nor authorized it, then says that donations will not be returned even if they're not applied to the defense fund, there is the implication of fraud and misrepresentation... that is illegal.

If Marty is smart, he will keep a record of donations made to the fund, and return every cent to contributors, if Debbie refuses them. It only take 1-2 anonymous donations from someone in the cult to start a legal case against him (if he chooses not to return donations).

They seem to be rather slow to react lately. It took them what, five months to print a Fredom on Paul Haggis?

I guess they were busy making the "Dead Agent Marty" video per this OCMB thread:
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