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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:31 pm 
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And yet she hasn't figured out how to set her goddamn privacy settings. Go figure.

This is not puzzling as this is the woman who voluntarily sent her son to a cult...she has a difficult time figuring a lot of things out I imagine.


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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:06 am 
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LOL. An anon gets a Cease & Desist letter from a cult attorney for lawfully reporting a Scilon parent for possible parent neglect.

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Waiting for my letter from the scumbag lawyer so I can, personally, tell him where to shove it.


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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:13 am 
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Best creepy Scientology lawyer line:
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"As you know from your own experience, even a temporary incarceration is unpleasant."

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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:48 pm 
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Oh dear -

One of Scientology's shock and awe letters from its array of attorneys, designed to impress and intimidate, advising the recipient to back down from lodging a "false" child abuse complaint.

Substituting "unfounded" for "false" many child abuse complaints end up in the unfounded category. Its the investigator's job to make that decision. Anyone who has reason to suspect child abuse has an obligation to report it. Some individuals such as medical and social services professionals, teachers, etc. are mandated reporters. Willfully making a false report is a crime if proven.

But this is an illustration why "anonymous" reporting is encouraged, especially in this case so that the cult won't have anyone to sink its teeth into.


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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:35 pm 
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Naturally if there were anything illegal here the cult would have jumped on it. Furthermore to threaten to sue or demand criminal charges be filed for someone exerciciing their rights to report what the believe is abuse is a crime.

I would like to write a complaint to the same officials she did, does anyone have the contact info?

Maybe who ever she has reported it to might be interested that the cult is harassing people for contacting them.


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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:07 pm 
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Suggestion: Report the lawyer's letter to the person to whom the suspected child abuse was reported.
The write a letter like this.

"Dear Mr. Potter,

Thank you for the letter expressing the opinion of the so called church of Scientology that employed you to write that on their behalf. I have made a copy of it for my use and turned the original over to the police officer with whom I made the original report of what I perceive to be child abuse. I won't tell you what the police officer told me but I did find it very interesting.

Sincerely,
Laura Flynn"

I must reiterate, this is not a quotation from a real letter. It is my suggestion for one.

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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:58 pm 
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skeptic2girl wrote:
Best creepy Scientology lawyer line:
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"As you know from your own experience, even a temporary incarceration is unpleasant."

^to me, this quote from the letter gives off the not-so-faint odor of blackmail...

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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:10 am 
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How to screw over a blackmailer:

When he shows you compromising pictures of you order copies.

"Oh, I want three of those, five of those and one of those for my Mum."

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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:38 am 
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skeptic2girl wrote:
Best creepy Scientology lawyer line:
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"As you know from your own experience, even a temporary incarceration is unpleasant."

I'm guessing the law office did a quick internet search "Pinellas whose in jail" --> http://pcsoweb.com/InmateBooking/
and found a "laura flynn" and is making assumptions that that laura is the same person.

However, a smarter lawyer would have continued the search and discovered there are at least TWO laura flynns in Pinellas County.

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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:36 am 
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Sea Horse wrote:
I'm guessing the law office did a quick internet search "Pinellas whose in jail" --> http://pcsoweb.com/InmateBooking/
and found a "laura flynn" and is making assumptions that that laura is the same person.
Nope. Robert Potter is FLAGs chief private attorney and his firm works hand-in-hand with OSA Legal. Potter knew exactly who he was referring to.


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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:32 am 
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Smurf wrote:
Sea Horse wrote:
I'm guessing the law office did a quick internet search "Pinellas whose in jail" --> http://pcsoweb.com/InmateBooking/
and found a "laura flynn" and is making assumptions that that laura is the same person.
Nope. Robert Potter is FLAGs chief private attorney and his firm works hand-in-hand with OSA Legal. Potter knew exactly who he was referring to.

Still, I don't think a *normal* lawyer, behaving professionally, would say something like that (refer to the addressee's alleged incarceration).

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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:46 am 
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skeptic2girl wrote:
Smurf wrote:
Robert Potter is FLAGs chief private attorney and his firm works hand-in-hand with OSA Legal. Potter knew exactly who he was referring to.
Still, I don't think a *normal* lawyer, behaving professionally, would say something like that (refer to the addressee's alleged incarceration).
LOL. Scientology doesn't hire "normal" liars.


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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:25 pm 
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With regard to that letter, it is from a lawyer and it makes a threat. It is not from a judge and it is not a court order. It is not a legal document nor is it an enforceable order.

I think my advice of taking it to the police person to whom the original report was filed is still good. The police will put the letter in the file they opened when the original report was made. The police will be able to advise Laura Flynn about the law regarding making reports to the police.

The term "false reports" is part of $cientology's loaded language. In $cientology if a staff member files a "false report" they will be assigned a "condition of liability." ("No report" if it is detected results in the assignment of a "condition of treason.") I get the impression that the lawyer, Robert V. Potter, is confusing $cientology policy with actual legislation for the jurisdiction involved. I think he is also using the $cientology terminology as a "button," trigger or "restimulator" to intimidate Laura Flynn.

We welcome an investigation of Robert V. Potter and his law firm. (Hey, it works both ways, doesn't it?)

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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:44 pm 
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Wieber wrote:
With regard to that letter, it is from a lawyer and it makes a threat. It is not from a judge and it is not a court order. It is not a legal document nor is it an enforceable order.

We welcome an investigation of Robert V. Potter and his law firm. (Hey, it works both ways, doesn't it?)
The problem is that the Florida & California Bar associations (which license & monitor attorneys in their respective states and are sworn to discipline errant attorneys who screw their clients) are very protective of attorneys which is not helpful to members of the public being victimized by the bad ones.

Consider the case of Tampa attorney John Hamel: http://www.floridabarcard.com/John-Hamel


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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:56 am 
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The "we welcome an investigation" statement is from a $cientology policy letter in which Hubbard instructs the action of making such a statement be taken. My use of it is partially facetious and satirical. I think the lawyer's letter in question is intimidation, bluster and bluff. I think the recipient should take it seriously but at the same time I think they should not be intimidated by it.

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