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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:43 am 
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charlottesometimes wrote:
It was after his first or second protest, but yes, they went to his work place as well.

I was specifically responding, though, to the fact that they had him prosecuted for something he didn't do (which Gumby implied does not happen); he was only exonerated after a long legal battle, inability to protest, and lots of generously donated monies.
What I meant to say is that the Scilons knew who Sparrow was before he started protesting. He started protesting his former employers at the building he worked in when he was on cult staff.

The cult didn't go to his place of work. Sparrow is fearless & he voluntarily gave out his telephone number to Scilons to call him if they had any questions.. and they did, at his place of work. Sparrow occasionally accepted these calls. Sparrow eventually lost his job, but he told me it had nothing to do with Scientology.


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:45 am 
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Q: How do you know Herro isn't OSA? Do you mean to tell me that Herro is just an ordinary guy who loves to contradict ex- scienos or defend the effing cult? His feeble attempts to seem unbiased are just unbelievable to me.
Is Herro an admin sock and why does it get away with the constant trolling? Also what happened to (name removed ) ? :-k


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:52 am 
LocalSP wrote:
Hey he (and you) had no trouble trying to dox members of WWP so why not ask for dox proving what he said. I at first was on smurfs side even though I asked one of the mods if we could have a moratorium on doxing kids. I did not expect that smurf would be banned. I wanted him to be let back in at WWP but when I saw that he was doxing people over here I said screw him. He was acting childish and stupid. I know that he apologized but only did so because he was probably feeling heat from a mod here. Plus by letting scientology know we were interested in the kid probably caused that child to be hidden deeper into the bowels of the cult. It was another stupid move on his part. I will never trust him again or you because of your childish doxing behavior. I don't care if you want people to know who you are but I wish to remain anonymous.

I have battled against scientology since the 70's and I don't think they know who I am and I would like it to remain that way. Do you have a problem with that?
How is it wrong to share anothers public information when that someone in question has already done this on their own? Ergo, isn't that counter to the concept of anonymous? Free speech,freedom of the press and no censorship of the net n stuff? It cuts both ways.


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:03 am 
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The whole thread is gone. ("Shades of scientology, Batman!") Smurf Band is still there, though. 8)


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:09 am 
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LocalSP wrote:
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It's interesting that on an Internet board where the mantra "dox or STFU" is the norm, and where I was continually being asked for dox, in pm's & open forum, that Sue would ban me for doing what was asked of me. Not once did Sue or any mod pm a warning, or a complaint that I was doxing inappropriately, though there were some anonymous posts challenging me on this. I never took anonymous challenges serious given the level of trolls that were posted in that manner.

It's sad.

Dox?


Sue and Smurf have been going at it for years; infractions, etc., but yes - at the time of the ban, Smurf didn't get a warning, sue just banned him.


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:16 am 
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charlottesometimes wrote:
It was after his first or second protest, but yes, they went to his work place as well.

I was specifically responding, though, to the fact that they had him prosecuted for something he didn't do (which Gumby implied does not happen); he was only exonerated after a long legal battle, inability to protest, and lots of generously donated monies.
What I meant to say is that the Scilons knew who Sparrow was before he started protesting. He started protesting his former employers at the building he worked in when he was on cult staff.

The cult didn't go to his place of work. Sparrow is fearless & he voluntarily gave out his telephone number to Scilons to call him if they had any questions.. and they did, at his place of work. Sparrow occasionally accepted these calls. Sparrow eventually lost his job, but he told me it had nothing to do with Scientology.


Not that it matters much at this point, but a PI (hired by the cult) did go to his actual work place shortly after he started protesting.


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:20 am 
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Mark Cabian wrote:
LocalSP wrote:
Smurf wrote:
It's interesting that on an Internet board where the mantra "dox or STFU" is the norm, and where I was continually being asked for dox, in pm's & open forum, that Sue would ban me for doing what was asked of me. Not once did Sue or any mod pm a warning, or a complaint that I was doxing inappropriately, though there were some anonymous posts challenging me on this. I never took anonymous challenges serious given the level of trolls that were posted in that manner.

It's sad.

Dox?


Sue and Smurf have been going at it for years; infractions, etc., but yes - at the time of the ban, Smurf didn't get a warning, sue just banned him.


Hey Mark, sorry that you are gone from over there. I am concerned about what is happening with Sue and WWP. Do you think that Sue has been gotten to?


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:21 am 
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bubbler wrote:
The whole thread is gone. ("Shades of scientology, Batman!") Smurf Band is still there, though. 8)


It's in the dome.


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:26 am 
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charlottesometimes wrote:
Not that it matters much at this point, but a PI (hired by the cult) did go to his actual work place shortly after he started protesting.
I didn't know that, but it's not surprising. I was fired from a job in Florida after this douchebag, a P.I., met with & fed my employer a bunch of bull.

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... artin.html


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:32 am 
Mark Cabian wrote:
bubbler wrote:
The whole thread is gone. ("Shades of scientology, Batman!") Smurf Band is still there, though. 8)


It's in the dome.
Has the dome bolstered or damaged the credibility of WWP?


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:49 am 
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Hi, Clamosaurus :) and LSP :)

Just one clarification, since it has come up several times. I posted initially in the thread about Smurf that I didn't want to comment much at the moment. The reason for that is simple, and duller than the speculation about it. I had just posted in response to the question about Smurf's ban that bans are between an individual and the staff. Then, simultaneously, sue posted that he was banned for "harassing kids." (That's how sue gets when he's mad.) So as to avoid a clusterfuck, I edited my post to say I wouldn't comment. It didn't mean that I didn't have an opinion. Suffice it to say that I did disagree with Smurf's actions but felt he was entitled to privacy, but didn't want to confuse the situation further. If I recall correctly, Tangerine did essentially the same thing at that moment--he'd posted, then deleted it when sue posted. Minutia, but as I said it keeps coming up.


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:55 am 
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"The Dome?? Holy Sec-Chek, Batman! Is that the WWP's RPF!?" :shaking2:


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:02 am 
bubbler wrote:
"The Dome?? Holy Sec-Chek, Batman! Is that the WWP's RPF!?" :shaking2:
I once visited the "dome" back in the enturb days. It was a pretty childish and offensive area. Whatever rocket scientist that came up with that PR fail tainted the whole shebang for many. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:17 am 
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Mark Cabian wrote:

Last night in the mod forum we were discussing a guideline for doxing, which we could place in the New Members Area. Some good ideas were formed, and although discretion calls would have to be made on an individual basis, it would at least be something to point to as a known rule in the matter of doxing. During this group conversation, sue arrived and said: there will be no doxing, period. I asked what we're supposed to do when someone drops dox, and sue said remove it, and if it continues, ban the member. Then I posted a link to David Love's thread, and asked so do you want this removed? Then I blinked and I was banned. I had just enough time to post publicly before I had my IP banned.

So, it really wasn't a matter of what you did, Smurf. Sue is a dictator there, and even when all the mods are coming to a very reasonable approach to address doxing guidelines, sue doesn't care. It's his way or the highway.


Sadly this is pretty much how I imagined how the whole shit went down from what substance there actually was in the threads.

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Smurf - look at the pattern: sue returns after a long break. He changes servers, and has a new look for WWP. He's the only admin. Germany gets banned, you get banned, I resign due to direct abuse, agreed to return as a mod, got banned for discussing dox, now 3 mods are gone, and doxing is verboten. And this is just the beginning, I would bet.


And this is what has me scratching my head 3 times a day, wtf is going on. Overreaction once is okay, we all have a bad day now and then, but overreaction on any given problem at least looks deliberately purposeful.


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 Post subject: Re: Tangerine answers your questions about WWP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:19 am 
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Miranda wrote:
Just one clarification, since it has come up several times. I posted initially in the thread about Smurf that I didn't want to comment much at the moment. The reason for that is simple, and duller than the speculation about it. I had just posted in response to the question about Smurf's ban that bans are between an individual and the staff. Minutia, but as I said it keeps coming up.
You are forgiven. Your penance is to cook me dinner. I like steak & ribs. And fries. And cherry cobbler. :eatpointer:


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