Thanks so much for your responses, this is really interesting!
Perhaps, if, back in the 60s & 70s, homosexuality was looked upon like many look at it today (except by the conservative Christians), LRH may not have assigned it low on the tone scale. Given that there have been closeted gay men, embarrassed by their feelings, that raged against homosexuality as a means of separating themselves from the same-sex orientation (i.e., gay politicians that have been outed), LRH may have, indeed, had a same-sex orientation.
This makes a lot of sense - it also conforms to my own experience that often the most outspoken homophobia is produced by people with strong but suppressed homophile impulses, especially in the repressive atmosphere of the 1970ies that I was still allowed to witness.
dirty hippie wrote:
Intellectually Hubbard realized he was a somewhat Gay, somewhat deranged slave master.
This is exactly what I meant before-I sometimes have a sense that this might run a lot deeper than it seems at first, but it's probably (almost) independent of any question of sexual orientation towards a specific gender.
There is indeed a dark/destructive side to sexuality that often gets bracketed out of contemporary discourse, something that is reflected and expressed for example in Aleister Crowley's/O.T.O.'s idea of "Sex Magick":
The exploitation of eroticized power shifts, sexualized devotion/dependency etc. "Love under Will" as Crowley called it.
Charles Manson is another example of this - and as it happens both of these characters are tangentially connected to Hubbard/Scientology.
(The reason why I've been compelled to think about these things is the recent movie "A dangerous method" about C.G.Jung, Sigmund Freud and Sabine Spielrein, which also talks about the demonic aspects of sexuality.)
I could imagine that a story like this one:
Demented LRH wrote:
“Dianetics auditing can change your sexual orientation”, I said. Frank did not have much of a money. I thought it would be a golden opportunity for me to improve my auditing skills. I offered Frank free auditing and he gladly accepted the offer.
Could be framed as actually being the beginning of a sexuality-based relationship, in which the person who is audited out of his money and his sexual orietation is in fact experiencing this as an exciting/eroticized submission to a controlling power.
(Please know that I am not trying to insinuate that this is what happened between you and Frankie, but I am assuming conversations like this are generally one of the ways people become attracted/hooked into Scientology)
I think if Hubbard was "gay", this might be the pathway his sexual orientation became engrained in Scientology… through an eroticism of taking control vs. being controlled/transformed by control.
I generally don't like to frame everything in "sexuality" like Freud - all of this could also be called a "demonic" strategy to exploit human vulnerabilities.
But do you think it could be said that there is indeed a kinship between the Crowley's approach to "Sexual Magick", Hubbard's obsession with controlling his followers, Charles Manson's sexually addicted "family", and the phenomenon of eroticized power shift that can become an incredibly subversive force in exploitative hands?
(it could even be considered as a factor in the very darkest areas such as phenomena of pointless sadism that occured in nazi concentration camps.)
But again I am afraid to go off topic, as the contemporary concept of "gay and lesbian" is entirely orthogonal to this.
This might need it's own thread maybe, or maybe it does not.