Gee, thanks, Galileo

Yo Mike,

1. if you are ill you have done something wrong

Acording to Scientology being ill means you are PTS, PTS means potential trouble source, it supposedly comes from having OW's, OW's mean overts and withholds, Overts being harmfull acts and withholds are undisclosed harmfull acts. In other words being ill means you done summit wrong.

Follow it through man, follow through this line of thinking through untill you start to smell the shit at the bottom of that sewer.

2. if you say LRH is a piece of shit you need to go to a forced labor camp.

Scientology wants to take over the world, the way it does this is use their lower adepts to the bone, to get as much dough out of them as possible and then get them to make as much dough as possible. Then the higher-up ones get to play bigshot to impres the elite and to try to cozy up to them and gain power/influence over them. The elite are opinion leaders, corporate business moguls and high govt officials. When these birds start getting impressed they get inspired by the cult tech and then you'll start running into the tech it being applied to the laws of the land. In the UK a "thought crime" law is already passed, that means you can get extradited for Xenophobic or Anti semetic statements on the net. In other world your ass goes to the slammer somewhere. Discriminate against scientology and your ass will end up in jail too eventually. In a world run by Scientology jails are RPF camps.

You gotta follow it through this line of thinking through untill you start to smell the sewage at the bottom of that crapper. Dont worry bout what this crap cult says, its what it means is what matters dood.

3. if you think scientology is a piece of shit you are insane.

Needs no explanaition, you seyz.

4. if you are not a scientologist/clear you have no rights.

I have read it, it does exist, it is a policy about a future world run by Scientology, in a cleared planet everyone is supposed to be clear, if you are not you have no rights as a citizen.

5. christ was a pedophile.

What it does says for 100% sure is this,

And I quote from the Class VIII Course, Lecture #10, October 3, 1968:

©"The man on the Cross.
There was no Christ.
But the man on the Cross
is shown as Everyman."

6. mohammed (islam) was a small town booster.

Personally I dont give a crap what it says about Islam, and anyway its a matter of record.

7. china is a place with too many chinks (lrh diary entry).

LRH is promoted in the cult as having travelled about 100 times around the globe before the age of 16, his extensive travels in the East are promoted as a spiritual journey in the Easern philosophies of Budism, however the diary entry of that period shows he lived in contempt of the Chinese, saying they stank to high heaven cause they never bathed.

7. your body is a mass of dead space aliens.

Ok here's a quote from OTIII, One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body. One has to clean them offby running Incident One- then Incident Two. (OTIII). Need I say more ??

8. if you disagree with scientology you have MU's.

No explaination needed you seyz.

9. al money/property belongs to scientology.

Even the closest relatives didn't inherit zip of LRH's estate after he died, all the dough ends up in the cult sooner or later. According to the Scientology long ago down the track the world was perfect, then cause of 4th dynamic engram the spiral went down. Now the come back to reclaim what is "rightfully" their, hence the SO motto "we come back" and the astronomical prices on everything sold in their Clamshops.

Helloooo, no comments ?

P-Jay,

OK, but Galileo started the thread asking for examples of lies that are the foundation of other lies that keep the membership in check. Most of the things you talk about are pretty buried in LRH's works, not fundimental lies on which other lies depend.

Mike

Mike,

Agreed.

P-Jay.

I was asking for the fundamental lies upon which the entirety of Scientology is built.

I will put it another way, in Scn. lingo:

The crucial lies would be the stable data that Scientology is built upon.

These would be the broad philosophical or pseudo-scientific principles that LRH based his twisted religion upon.

Some of your lies are much too specific and a person does not have to believe in them to be a Scientologist. (Except the one about the MUs. Also the one you said about PTSness is the right idea, but not exactly what LRH said. )

Think of the crucial lies as the broad twisted stable datum around which the other data are aligned. Belief in the existence of the Reactive Mind is a good example. If you don't believe in that, Dianetics would probably seem like a bunch of nonsense and the concepts would tend to fall apart. Belief in an immortal "thetan" as LRH described it would be another.

Crucial beliefs if you were Catholic would be belief in God, in Jesus' rising from the dead, that abortion is a grevious sin, and in the Pope's infallibility.

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The BIG LIE of Scientology "ethics" is that YOU are ultimately responsible for and caused every negative or positive experience you have had.

The overt/PTS data implies that your unethical actions "pulled in" suppression, illnesses, accidents, and any other negative occurrences.

Around here, we remove the "stable data" with a pitch fork and then use it on our gardens.

(Sorry. I couldn't resist.)

Does that mean Scienos are full of sh*t!

Hee, hee!

I knew I shoulda put dat "stable datum" in quotes mon!

Not the clams themselves, just their theories.

Hi Galileo, u rote,

>>>> The BIG LIE of Scientology "ethics" is that YOU are ultimately responsible for and caused every negative or positive experience you have had.

>>>> The overt/PTS data implies that your unethical actions "pulled in" suppression, illnesses, accidents, and any other negative occurrences.

I agree with you in part, some of these datums are as old as time itself,

Where else do the ole sayings come from like "what goes around comes around" and "you reap (harvest) what you sow"..
Only scientology works with absolutes and tries to make people believe it is either black or white all the time, which puts a great deal of duress on people.

What I was trying to do above is an example of "know the tree by its fruit" hoping you would see the sense in it.

Because your approach "what is wrong with this tree" is a much more difficult road, cause then you have to disprove the scientology theory, which is difficult cause they are truths that have always existed but differently packaged.

The best way is to see the wolves in sheep clothing, know the tree by its fruits, point out all the human suffering and document it, eventually the house of cards will fall.

Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time anyway

P-Jay,

"Because your approach "what is wrong with this tree" is a much more difficult road, cause then you have to disprove the scientology theory, which is difficult cause they are truths that have always existed but differently packaged."

I disagree. These ideas are ACCEPTED as truths, but are not necessarily inherently true. I can think of as many exceptions, and maybe more, than the proofs of any of these rules. We accept these ideas because they FEEL right, but they don't always work in the real universe.

You hit the nail on the head when you said that Scientology packages these concepts as absolutes and black and white thinking. Hubbard said that absolutes were unobtainable, yet he advocated absolutes constantly in his writing. Clear, OT, PTS, Cause, Static, Ethical, etc.

Good observations!

Regarding "what goes around comes around" and "you reap (harvest) what you sow"..

These rules of thumb stems from Isaac Newton's third law of motion; For every action there is an equal, and opposite reaction! For instance; you hit the wall, the wall hit you back, therefore; you are the source to your own pain! If some violent action hit you, one correct reaction to that, is to report the violent action to the police!

Isaac Newton's Three Laws of Motion!
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newton3laws.html

I make no guarantees about your culpability if you go into a bowling alley during a league tournament, and lie down right in the middle of a lane, feet toward the pins.

If, however, you are walking down the street, thinking happy thoughts, minding your own business, and harming no one.....and a bowling ball falls out of the 3rd-story window of a building, smashing in your skull, you did NOT "pull it in."

Hi Galileo, u seyz,

>>>> I disagree. These ideas are ACCEPTED as truths, but are not necessarily inherently true. I can think of as many exceptions, and maybe more, than the proofs of any of these rules. We accept these ideas because they FEEL right, but they don't always work in the real universe.

You are right, they are accepted truths, and once you have accepted one you have to accept them all or else your scientology career is over.

At first it is a therapy to help you in life, but then it becomes a life to help you in therapy if you know what i mean. You become so absorbed by it sothat you can be "sessionable", the biggest hurdle is ofcourse the ludicrous price tags on everything.

It becomes a huge bluff to make more converts and money, the hysteria surrounding the cult makes it more self defeating then beneficial, even dangerous to your health.

P-Jay,

Yep.

I mentioned on another thread that after I left Scientology and had rejected the entirety of the "tech" for several years I was finally able to make a few valid pieces of the "tech" my own, instead of the "tech" owning me. This cannot happen while one is involved with Scientology or believing it as a whole.

The price of freedom in Scientology is too high. You have to pay with your belief in ALL of the "tech." Hardly what I would call freedom. More like mental/emotional slavery.

Freebs,

Good example! This kind of loony reasoning SEEMS sane until you take it apart logically and realize that there are millions of other beings doing their things and committing their own overts. Sometimes you just get in the way of random occurrences, drunks, tired people, angry people, muggers, or out-ethics Scientologists.

Galileo, There is a heck of a lot more to it then meets the eye and the complete truth will probably never become public.

Another interesting aspect is ofcourse LRH's history in the occult starting at age 16 with Rosicrusian membership and later OTO.

The reason I mention this is because we both spoke (above) of the opposites happening in the COS then one is made to believe at first instance, well a sign of the occult is saying one thing then doing the reverse. Same has happened with catholisism when it was taken over by dark forces and probably still is today but more hidden.

Another thing you hear very little about is LRH's time with the CIA, which I was first told by an OT3 back in 1984.

All pieces to some kind of puzzle, it would be interesting to see them all fit together one day.