fromIt has been speculated that when creating Xemnu the Titan, Stan Lee was influenced by Xenu and the Thetans, the ancient extraterrestrial dictator mentioned in some Scientology teachings. Supposedly, in the late fifties either Jack Kirby or Stan Lee heard a radio broadcast of an obscure taped demonstration of Scientology auditing recorded in April 1952 and released as "Electropsychometric Scouting: Battle of the Universes". This recording was by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard and described parts of his early Dianetics process, including the Xenu story. When asked about this rumor Stan Lee would not comment.
I found some of that lecture at
with no mention of Xenu, Xemu/Xemnu. While it does have the bare bones of Hubbard's later Xenu story: outer-space beings dumping many other beings onto earth, the characters are all different.
Hubbard's Battle of the Universes from 1952 has
theta (presumably good guys)
getting tired of lowlife trouble-making entheta beings (Targs)
brings Targs to earth in flying saucers AND STILL DOING SO in 1952
dumping Targs onto earth
where they are part of a religious experiment (The word "implant" wasn't used by Hubbard in 1952)
Prison planet is mentioned
and have a union with something (humans?) and become the trouble-making majority walking around on earth.
Hubbard's Xenu story from 1967 has
bad guy Xenu getting rid of overpopulation
bringing people to earth in DC-8's 75 million years ago
dumping them into volcanos, H-Bombing them into fragments called body thetans which watch movies to get religion implants and to this day inflict themselves onto humans as tiny invisible beings. There is no "union" anymore and the body thetans are not people walking around.
There is no phrase "prison planet."
Stan Lee/Jack Kirby's Xemnu story has a completely different plot.
Alien invasions, even if with intentional armies rather than dumped bad guys, were not original.
from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19567926/The biggest wave of alien invasion movies occurred between the rise of Joe McCarthy in 1950 and the launching of Sputnik in 1957.
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
The Thing (1951)
The difference between these and Hubbard, is that
(1) Hubbard thought in 1952 the majority of present-day humanity are bad enthetans (because they didn't recognize his genius?) and
(2) Hubbard has authoritarian fantasies of dumping and punishing multitudes of people. Both of these impulses are not religious but, frankly, hateful and genocidal.
My conclusion is that Kirby might have heard the 1952 story on the radio, but it didn't have any visible influence on his Xemnu story. Rather, his comic book, which was reprinted shortly before Hubbard's 1967 Xenu story, influenced Hubbard with the name, and may explain why Hubbard sometimes called the bad guy Xenu and sometimes Xemu. The OT story appears to be a mix of this 1952 "Battle of the Universes" schlock, plus 1967 current events like exploding volcanos, overpopulation, implants, and H-bombs.
This comment was cross-posted from
J. Swift's Illustrated Guide to Incidents I & II of OT III viewtopic.php?p=340030