I sister once told a scientologist about me, told him that I was skeptical of the church and whatnot, he said "Thats ok, those are the people that make the best scientologists when they figure it out." My sister told me that a long while ago. Scary, sad, and true.

I hope all gos well for you virginia. Don't worry, be happy, as hard as it may be. Theres light at the end of the dark tunnel. Enjoy life for it is short, theres plenty of time to be dead.

I don't have it as bad as you so I can't really understand or know, but I do know the evils of scientology and together we can stand and expose them. Take care now, love and best wishes, AJE-

thanks AJE
Jesus said something about "bring the disbelievers as they make the best...." Yet also said something [in the bible of Aquarius - not allowed in North America] when asked about bringing the good Simarithon, leave him as he knows his own way to our God". funny - Larry's father was a minister & Larry hated the church as hypocritical, yet look at him now.

I guess many of us figure it out so stay away & expose them. We can help there so much.

Thanks for reminding me about that light in this dark tunnel I am in. My sister sent me something about the devil evils of Nov & first ½ Dec. I have been asking God what shehe has against me & stop testing me as I have had enough. I keep on hoping & positively thinking of what I want & can be - but hard when it goes the other way & for so long

Your sister is still in Scientology [if you don't mind me asking - but don't answer if you don't want to] must be hard for you also. If we collectively pray, wonder if it will make a difference & destroy CO$ - I think they are on their way out, anyway.

I truly do not think the loved ones can get us out their mind, maybe they try, but the more they try the more they think about us & maybe one day they will be out, or dead. A psychic friend told me she sees him pacing trying to forget me, but cant. I would like him out for many reasons, but I do not want him back as I want my freedom from all he has done to me [too much hurt]& what he owes me. Would you want your sister back, she is your blood, so don't give up, just be there for her.

Keep the pecker up & let them see Virg

Somebody once said "If you can't make it through the bad times you'll never make it to the good." My sister is not actively a scientologist at any of the orgs (well I don't think she is, she was) but she follows L. Ron. Hubbard religiously, just like other scientologist. She 'blew' from them once, I don't think that will mean she can't go back though, they still want the monies she can get. Shes signed the billion year sea org contract. I want my sister back, for her future more then mine. I thought drugs were the only way to get stupider, ive found that scientology is even worse then those... ugh... Sending my blessings to ya Virginia, don't give up, AJE-

Wow - I am looking for those good times so badly - my psychic friend told me a good 2 years of hell, ending before winter starts & you will not get all you are asking for - but about 2/3 to 3/4 , it has been 2 years of double hell [many years of hell before] & winter is close, so I am hoping.

Larry worked @ co$ full-time for 4 years but lived & worked away, then moved into CO$ annex. He hated the CO$ rotten core as he could see the rotten, but likes the expensive programs & they owed him some corses, I believe he goes 2 times a week - spread out. Maybe that is what she is doing also! This way they are "in", but not "in" The billion year sea org contract, does not hold ground in law courts so don't worry about it bounding her - she can break it & maybe has, just needs a brother out there for her to help her w out put downs of her church, till she sees it.

Larry wants me back under his control & trying to hurt me, made 3 of my 4 kids disconnect [my son's girlfriend whose birthday is the day after Larry's, is such a bad influence as she feels she will gain $$ if she keeps me away, as Larry wants, but my oldest girl refuses to disconnect from me & works between us [says it is hard to do as he is "nuts"], while my youngest sneaks here now & then. I feel if courts goes my way - he will loose them & they will be back, when the need comes [as happened to my sisters family] I must let them hurt & want to find their way back. But it does hurt

Those who came out on this site, said how it felt [some harder time then others] but now they seem great people, better for the experience of getting out, honest & upright & joking & supporting informative folk - thank God for them & thank you, you X-CO$ friends - so lets hope your sister will bounce back well, once out. There have been many threads on this.

What about those of us that yearn and desire for a particular staff or sea-org member that is "off-limits" for one reason or another?

Having to work for and support an org, without being able to express our true inner desires?

sorry "young & restless" guess COS does not like us getting in tough w our inner feelings as then they would have no control over us.

If we all got the pesron taken from us or "off limit" OUT, would CO$ still have anyone "in". The question IS, how do we get em out to talk w & destroy this horrid org?

w NET & SO MANY HURTING OUT, HOW LONG BEFORE WE THE WORLD OVER, CAN destroy CO$ & how???? I talk to every one I see about CO$ to avoid & know about - word by mouth & talk, talk, will kill the controlers & so free the loved ones.

Hang tough Young & restless, dont give up hope, maybe we will all win, working & praying together, as we are doing here. COS has hurt to many & got away w it, but her days are numbered.

I'm sending my condolences virginia that your huband is so disrespectful and mentally harmful to you, blocking your childrens eyes with lies. One day this will be over, probably not in your lifetime, maybe not in mine but someday because on a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero. Even if you believe your spirit lasts forever, your spirit is nothing but somebodies fading memory without its shell. Sending my prayers to you & your lost but not forgotten family, your distant friend, AJE-

Thanks AJE, but I am hopefull our problems will be solved in our lifetime if we keep working at it. CO$ lifespan may take longer, but I am hopeful in our lifespan [if we keep working at telling folk], it may take a little longer.

My oldest daughter stands by me as she knows & sees w open eyes - thank God for her, even though hard for her.

praying for both of us & hope God is not only listening, but doing our needs give yourself a big hug VS

today - at the swimming pool I was asked about CO$ [say Tom C VT interview & asked if the same my hsband is in] big topic & feel that is the way to stop cos; mass counter discusion/discredit when ever they are on TV.

Tried to explain the COS thinking of family members outside COS, they were shocked. Hope I can soon fid solutions - that we all can