Possibly the biggest footbullet to come out of the New Yorker story is the following excerpt by Tommy Davis:



Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011 ... z1DV2r1Ur5

See the circular thinking?

Hubbard had to have been injured because there would be no tech, no Dianetics, so it had to be true.

But in the 900 pages of documents obtained by the New Yorker from the Navy, there is NO EVIDENCE he was injured in the war.

The best Tommy could come up with is a "source" who says the records were "sheep dipped" because LRH was involved in intelligence.

Say what?

This is a huge problem for the church, and as others have said, could be a problem for Tommy Davis.

If Tommy decides to leave, he is more than welcome to start posting here.

I wonder if DM will unleash the fisticuffs on TD. I hope that all this will be what finally gets through to him. He's got to be under incredible pressure right now.

Back in early 2008, during the initial avalanche of the Anonymous phenonenon, Tommy Davis was interviewed on CNN early one morning. Many people commented that his face, and general composure, looked less like he'd simply not gotten much sleep but more like he'd taken a recent beating..... you be the judge.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSS178Q-4eo

omg ... his face is lumpy, his left eye is swollen almost shut, and his right eye doesn't look so hot either. Ironic that CoS has to manufacture "crimes" to pin on its opponents, while its leader commits actual crimes with impunity on a daily basis.

True.


True.


False.

To Tommy and any OSA operative who is reading this: That strange acrid scent hanging heavy in the desert breeze comes from the billowing smoke of the SS Church of Scientology, which is listing to port, having sustained irreparable damage to its logic engine belowdecks.

Advise you abandon ship immediately. Sinking is imminent.

Rescue vessels are at the ready.

Not everybody will want to get into the rescue vessels. For them, CoolAide is at the ready.

Pete

It's not unusual in Scientology and physical assaults weren't isolated to the execs. There has long been a cycle of violence in the Sea Org at the lower levels from staffers having their hands whacked with metal rods because they weren't working fast enough, blows to the head because they were napping or falling asleep (6.5 day work weeks at 12-15 hours a day is tough) to other forms of physical abuse.

It's been a common belief in the SO that being physically battered makes one stronger & more productive. I know Tommy has been battered (he's said as much to family members) but he accepts it as part of the necessary discipline of the SO.

As Tommy said in the CNN interview, "The Sea Org is a crew of tough sons of bitches” and “The Sea Org is not a democracy."

The Sea Org is reminiscent in a way of that movie "Fight Club", but, at least in the fight club, even the most junior members were allowed to hit back.

Pete

And they have caek. There is some just for you. Sweet, warm, chocolaty, deelishus caek.

You know what that sounds like? WWII Japanese Army with it's code of corrupted Bushido.

And all the shit rolls downhill...

1. David Miscavige himself said that LRH's Basic works had been altered by SP Transcriptionists and that every Scientologist therefore needed to purchase a new $5,000 Basics Library. Tens of thousands additional copies had to be donated for by Scientologists to place in libraries. In the new Basics, LRH specifically states that he funded his research into Dianetics by use of a lump sum disability payment -- see the yellow highlighted text in the image below. This is an open admission that Hubbard did not heal himself of his medical conditions. Had LRH healed himself he ethically would not have taken a lump sum disability payment; ethics and integrity being central to Dn/Scn.

2. Tommy Davis said if it was true that Hubbard had not been injured, then “the injuries that he handled by the use of Dianetics procedures were never handled, because they were injuries that never existed; therefore, Dianetics is based on a lie; therefore, Scientology is based on a lie.” He concluded, “The fact of the matter is that Mr. Hubbard was a war hero.”

3. In terms of The Basics, Dianetics, and claimed WWII wounds there is a serious problem. The new 2008 Miscavige edition of LRH's The Original Thesis makes it quite clear that LRH funded his work with a lump sum disability pension. Davis also failed to address the additional problem that LRH received disability payments from the US Gov't for injuries he claimed to have suffered in WWII. The L.A. Times documented these payments. So not only was L. Ron Hubbard not wounded in WWII, but he was also not healed of the ulcers and conjunctivitis for which he collected disability and/or a lump sum payment. The entire story, it seems, unwinds around LRH's WWII career per Tommy Davis own statement.

ref: http://www.american-buddha.com/cult.bio ... hannon.htm



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What's interesting is over on Marty's blog they seem to be okay with the idea that LRH lied about his war record. They are going with the notion that "LRH wasn't perfect but the tech is good".

It's kind of surprising.

I think the bogus war record is the ONLY thing I have seen them concede as far as LRH goes.

Someone posted a link to a website about LRH's occult connection, written by John Atack (auther of A Piece of Blue Sky), and Marty called Jon Atack a "victim" and called said the poster just didn't want to see people "move up a little higher".

Marty, agh!

And then all of Marty's readers jumped in and pounced on the poster.

It's exchanges like that that make me just shake my head about the indies, because they really are still in the exact mindset of the handlers like Dan Murnan at the Fourth of July event, captured by Mark Bunker. "You just don't want to see people get better! That's what's wrong with you!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itujmcsinpw

I find it really disconcerting how they can't discuss things rationally over there, and immediately resort to calling people victims, natterers, evil-wishers (almost like "Merchants of Chaos" that LRH espoused).

Do they really still believe that? I guess they must.

Sigh.

This is what I'd call Auch!

But how is this any different from, say, Catholics saying that Catholicism is good despite the horrendous convictions of priest-pedophiles, the Inquisition, the Crusades, Indulgences, and everything else flawed in Catholicism? How is CoS any different from any religion or church that has had a flawed charismatic leader? Christian Science does not depend upon Mary Baker Eddy having been perfect. The Jehovahs Witnesses do not depend upon Judge Rutherford having been perfect. Even Ted Haggard's church survived his meltdown into drugs and gay sex with a prostitute. In Christianity and its variants, human perfection is assigned solely to Jesus and all other persons are all deemed to be imperfect in various ways.

IMO, all religions overlook certain flaws in key personalities because they are significantly outweighed by the spiritual benefits of religious practice. Scientology is no different in this regard.

It is entirely possible, and even desirable, to decouple the Tech from LRH. The same thing has occurred in Mormonism where the personal behavior Joseph Smith and Brigham Young have been decoupled in important ways from modern practice. For example, the polygamy practiced by early Mormon leaders does not falsify key Mormon rituals that are performed daily in the Temple. I see Scientology following the same trajectory. Predictively, CoS will abandon draconian LRH and DM policies in the same way that LDS dropped polygamy and its ban on Black men serving as priests. This is already happening in CoS to a certain extent. Pregnant couples in SO are being routed out and paid off. Freeloader Debts have been canceled. There are more signs of internal changes. However, it all seems too little too late in terms of PR. Like Mubarak, DM will have to go into exile. CoS will have a post-Miscavige era where it will have to reformat itself as have many other religions.

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