Do you all remember the White House response to the petition to investigate Scientology?

"Thank you for signing the petition "EXAMINE THE GOVERNMENT'S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE." We appreciate your participation in the We the People platform on WhiteHouse.gov.

The We the People Terms of Participation explain that "the White House may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government." The Department of Justice is charged with investigating federal crimes and enforcing federal criminal laws. Accordingly, the White House declines to comment on the specific law enforcement matter raised in this petition."

Yet in the case of Trayvon Martin the Obama Administration had this to say " On Friday, President Barack Obama called the shooting a tragedy, vowed to get to the bottom of the case, and added: "When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids."

Is human trafficking, kidnappings, beatings, suspicious deaths, blackmail by a Mafia organization you got no comment but the shooting death of one person and you are going to get to the bottom of it ???? What an asshole!.

PS while I am all for resolving the Trayvon Martin case, it is neither a case of national security nor falls under federal venue. For Obama to say he is going to get to the bottom of it oversteps his authority in a state matter and on the other hand he won't do a thing about Scientology, Uggh !

It shows the apparent power the mafia cult has on authorities. Be it by blackmail or otherwise. Its tax exemption status and how they purchased it could suggest why the governmental authorities simply don't dare to investigate the mafia cult.
If you dig deep enough you will always find something.......

Peter

They fear another Waco catastrophe if they invade a compound, and if all they do is bleat about the wrongs, they look weak. State government mass arrests at LDS fundamentalist camp showed many women wanted to stay with that group, and the government prosecutution became messy and controversial.* The fact that many Sea Org workers will choose to remain in Sea Org makes "rescue" embarassing. There's also a religion-must-be-good mentality in many leaders, that makes them think the freedom-of-religion is the freedom-to-exploit-and-abuse underlings.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamenta ... Day_Saints

Yes you will find people willing to stay with the cult but the charges they should be facing are for those that are out and speaking out. Also the state does not need cooperation to file charges. If the Feds can prove a crime such as interfering with civil rights then they should do something about it. The worst part is Obama is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

RP. How is the president a liar in regards to scientology?

Clearly no one is that stupid, so I will just consider your comment a joke.

Gumby I know you addressed your Q to RP but I'd like to answer it. It's because in their response to the petition Obama's administration said this:

"the White House may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government."

Then they DID address these very things when they got involved with the Trayvon Martin shooting. RP sees that as contradictory, and it is. But the statement says they MAY decline to address..., not that they WILL decline to address.... In other words, their decisions are clearly a matter of choice, and they have some hidden criteria for how they decide. They do need to give a better explanation than that.

Perhaps they see the alleged murder of a child by a very stupid man as a relatively simple case to address compared with the complexity of dealing with a powerful, wealthy and organized "religious" organization that involves many people and many complex legal and constitutional issues.

The Trayvon Martin case affects every single person living in the US where any one of us could become the victim of gun wielding, self-appointed "volunteers" who get away with shooting us simply because they don't like the way we look, act, or speak. Trayvon's shooting (rightly so) resulted in an immediate firestorm of media and public outcry and I understand why the Obama Administration jumped on it. They did the right thing.

I signed both the Trayvon petition as well as the Scientology one. As much as I wish they'd address scieno-corp's daily crimes, I do understand why it's more difficult for them to do so. But just because it's difficult, complex, whatever, really is no excuse imo.

I don't visit Clambake very often...the site itself is pretty much passe just as scientology itself is very much passe....but for someone to come onto this site and denounce President Obama for not going after scientology..and on top of that..another poster questions the originator of the post..and the originator tries to dismiss this person as a 'joke'.....that says a lot.

There is not one person in the US government....justice department...Congress....Presidency...etc...etc....etc...that is going to lift one finger to attempt to outlaw scientology. For anyone to say this is bad thing..well, they simply do not understand the origins of the Unitd States and they do not understand the Constitution.

Scientology is stupid and should be outlawed...okay...will someone please step forward and show me any accepted 'religion' founded on actual rational premises. People have died because of this religion....hmmm...okay...shall we simply pick up any history textbook from any nation?...you name the nation. If there are 3 people in the US who decide to start a religion...well, guess what..they have a right to do so.......A basic premise of the United States Constitution states that the government shall have NO right to deny any freedom to express one's religion. Period...let me say that again...PERIOD!

For sure I have been in either close...or distant...contact with this site for 8-10 years and never have I seen a President demonized because that President didn't 'outlaw' scientology. Do what you will to attempt to end this disgusting excuse for greed...fine......but you are so totally off base for trying to denigrate a president for failing to 'outlaw' it, that I cannot fully put my thoughts into words. After all...I'm sure President Obama didn't contribute thousands upon thousands of dollars to perpetuate this scientology disgust...but I'm sure there are more than a few of you who did.

Scientology doesn't seem like it's passe when you pass in your car their brand new $90 million building that hasn't opened yet.

I signed the Scientology petition too, but there are problems with it and I can see why there would be no definitive response from the White House.

It may seem like splitting hairs to some, but the title of that petition is all over the place. The premise of it is "Investigate why you didn't do X!" instead of "Do X!" Whether the initiator of the petition intended it or not, it got a bad response at least in part because it was a badly framed petition, not because investigating CoS isn't worth something. Also it presumes that CoS hasn't been/isn't currently being investigated.

Also to baltizaar (without copy/pasting your entire post): Outlawing Scientology isn't the desired outcome as far as I can tell. Stripping them of their religious status and tax exempt status is. Scientology could still continue to exist - for what it's worth, as they always have - as a money making entity; they'd just have to pay taxes on their revenue and not have the benefit of crying religious prosecution and ministerial exception every time they are called out for their bad behavior.

Well...why don't you take a drive someday past the Vatican and take a gander at their real estate holdings.

Valid point...however...one the the main gross 'outpoints' of scientology (ha..ha...sorry to borrow their own terminology)...is that they are actually directly responsible for the deaths of individuals. So are you saying that it's okay for them to continue to kill people as long as they pay taxes on their earnings? Sorry to be the devil's advocate here....but if you are going to stand for something, you may as well stand for it. Don't go running to President Obama to fight your battles. As bad as scientology is, they are still small potatos in the entire international arena.....President Obama is not the personal Archangel Michael for anyone who has a grievance.

Not a joke whatsoever. Please clarify your accusation.

Scientology is not passé as long as my relatives are trapped in it, including a young worker. If you find the OCMB site is passé , you are welcome to add content. Part of the problem is the budget cuts on agencies that should be enforcing the law. Part of the problem may be that CoS has cleverly presented blackmail-ish situations to federal, state and local officials, that aren't blackmail in legal terms, but have scared the officials into silence and inaction. Another problem is that CoS screams bigotry so easily, and government workers don't want that. Perhaps if Australia leads the way,the US and UK will gather the courage to enforce their own laws.
It has been obvious to me that CoS has to be taken down by attrition, by public ridicule, by scandal, by lawsuits, by loss of celebrities, by picketing, and yes, by bloggers. It has weakened greatly over the years. It was too bad that the White House didn't take on this battle but there are lots of good battles being waged.

Nuff said on that point. I made my comment about scientology and this site because I was so totally incensed by the title of this thread...I mean totally incensed. COS still exists and that is a shame...this site still exists and that's a commendation to the owner. I am for any and every fight you have about scientology, but I am not going to stand by a 'listen' to our President being called an a..hole by someone who probably has the intelligence of an.....well...let's leave it go for the moment.