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 Post subject: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:13 am 
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Anyone look familiar?

The handsome dude in the middle is LA's favorite handler Tim Armer, with (info deleted by mod)

Tim's (relative - detailed deleted by mod) lives in Hawaii. At least, now we know where Tim gets all his favorite Hawaiian shirts. :lol:

Mod note: I have no problem with a photo that only shows the handler, but no photos and info on family members, please. I would crop the photo myself to show only the handler, but I don't know how to embed such a photo.
If people want to search social media themselves, they can easily find more info on this guy's family. However, those family members are irrelevant, and it may alarm the family to be exposed.

If a social media site has info on, say, the guy's employer being a CoS private eye firm, that would be relevant.


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:29 pm 
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I have no clue as to what you are referring to...is there a picture somewhere?


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:40 pm 
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lambear wrote:
I have no clue as to what you are referring to...is there a picture somewhere?
There was until a mod obliterated the OP. It's no wonder some longtime critics no longer post here.


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:46 pm 
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Smurf, if you can edit and post a photo without the guy's family members, that would be fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
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Don Carlo wrote:
Smurf, if you can edit and post a photo without the guy's family members, that would be fine.
Have no clue how to do that. But, thanks. It's kinda ridiculous to delete a link to a public Facebook page, doncha think?


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:00 pm 
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Don Carlo wrote:
Smurf, if you can edit and post a photo without the guy's family members, that would be fine.

Arnt you the mod that just locked a thread because you did not like what people had to say on it? Why don't you just start deleting threads all together? Your sick fascination to control what others have to say is Anti everything of what I was told this board is about.

So here we go again,
1. What law did Smurf break? Please name it by code.
2. Please set down the new rules for each Mod and their personal preference that if people violate will get them banned.
3. Do you all intend to lock entire threads when someone on it says something you don't like from now on or just when it is a topic you are unconformable with.
4. How soon till you lock this thread? Why not you have already killed free speech on it and rendered it moot.
5. How often to you plan to dictate to others the way you think information can be promoted?
6. Smurf was banned for the same things at other boards, why did not the Mods address those concerns when he turned up here? Why did you let him and others discuss how free this board is when you are censoring exactly the same type of free speech?
7. Can you recommend any board where Mods are not spineless two faced liars about what they support and don't? And don't censor free speech by deleting post and locking threads?


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:03 pm 
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Smurf wrote:
Don Carlo wrote:
Smurf, if you can edit and post a photo without the guy's family members, that would be fine.
Have no clue how to do that. But, thanks. It's kinda ridiculous to delete a link to a public Facebook page, doncha think?


What is even more ridiculous is if you google a persons Name and Facebook you will find them. All this Mod has done is censor free speech on this thread that is publicly and commonly found on the Net. Anyone who looks at their Facebook page will see who their relatives are but this Mod has taken some personal issue with this that does not violate any laws and is going to subject your post to censorship anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:21 am 
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Radio Paul wrote:
Smurf wrote:
Don Carlo wrote:
Smurf, if you can edit and post a photo without the guy's family members, that would be fine.
Have no clue how to do that. But, thanks. It's kinda ridiculous to delete a link to a public Facebook page, doncha think?


What is even more ridiculous is if you google a persons Name and Facebook you will find them. All this Mod has done is censor free speech on this thread that is publicly and commonly found on the Net. Anyone who looks at their Facebook page will see who their relatives are but this Mod has taken some personal issue with this that does not violate any laws and is going to subject your post to censorship anyway.


I agree with Don Carlo on this one. I don't see the point of posting facebook pages of someone's brother (or any of someone's family members, for that matter). Doesn't matter if they're publicly accessible---just because you *can* post a multitude of details about someone, it doesn't mean you always should. I can see the relevance of IDing down someone who's assaulted or threatened one of the protesters, on occasion, and IDing handlers, but I don't see why their families (who are not handling/assaulting/harrassing protesters) need to be brought to everyone's attention, also.


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:39 am 
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A solo photo of Tim Armer filming picketers:Image
photo posted by Resistance is Futile on the wwp thread LA/Hollywood postgame 1.16.10 at
https://whyweprotest.net/community/thre ... -10.53107/
The very next post is J. Swift asking Tim about how Scientology uses DiHydrogen Monoxide. Tim gets alarmed, not knowing this is an old hoax, since DiHydrogen Monoxide is water.

Here's a video of Tim looking sheepish in front of his former pal Tory Christman. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qIEO31HPqQ

How do you upload photos here? I only know how to link to them.

It's foolish to harass picketers, allying yourself with a criminal racket, and then have a facebook page with your family. Tim, don't do both.


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:02 am 
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Don Carlo wrote:
It's foolish to open harass picketers, allying yourself with a criminal racket, and then have a facebook page with your family. Tim, don't do both.
LOL. I've been bugging Tim & Patty for years that they needed to get on Facebook. They called me a liar when I told them many Scientologists had Facebook pages because that's so entheta.

Looks like Tim & a few of the other handlers have come around. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:09 am 
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I wish I could have been mocking Tim on Jan 16 with you other guys.


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:23 am 
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[/quote]I agree with Don Carlo on this one. I don't see the point of posting facebook pages of someone's brother (or any of someone's family members, for that matter). Doesn't matter if they're publicly accessible---just because you *can* post a multitude of details about someone, it doesn't mean you always should. I can see the relevance of IDing down someone who's assaulted or threatened one of the protesters, on occasion, and IDing handlers, but I don't see why their families (who are not handling/assaulting/harrassing protesters) need to be brought to everyone's attention, also.[/quote]

You proved my whole point. It is about YOU seeing a point. I have been told repeatedly by the Mods that this is a free speech site. Again I ask you all to please list your personal dictatorial rules. I did not know I need to woow each admin as to mine or others reasons for posting something. Never mind the reasons for posting public info on people has been stated many times on this subject before. It is clear that despite all the Admins claims of free speech they are full of it.

I will make the argument yet again. Cashing info in a public forum of public info on cult members does a number of things. It helps pool useful information on members if it is needed to turn over to law enforcement when cult members commit crimes such as the ever growing number attacks against protestors. Yes being able to say that Tim has a relative by the name of will speed up their investigation as to where to find him before can be moved out of state. It might be nice to know if Heber Carl Jentzsch has a relative or DM has a brother. (YOUR NOT GOING TO DELETE THIS ARE YOU) I am sure DM's brother who is now out of Scientology would not even want people to know that he exist. What is the point of me even bring him up now that he is out. BETTER NOT BE A HYPOCRITE and you better delete that.

It allows people to see patterns in relationships that cult members have. Public discussion on how to reach these people. Subject A might only have Sci contacts but Subject B has all types and few Sci. This can help evaluate things like true numbers, die hard members and such. Public forums also show and expose things like child abuse / abandonment, bizarre beliefs Etc. A photo of subject A who is a OT III spending Christmas with relatives shows him to be a hypocrite and a liar on the origins of Christ in my opinion but I am not allowed to develop that opinion on this board by exchanging publicly found information and talking about it.

I could go on with other reasons but I really don't care to explain myself to people that want to proclaim supporting free speech but act like fascist tools because they personally don't see a reason for it.

Either stick to the core values of OCMBor go do something else.

"What are the rules on OCMB?"
NOTE THE LACK OF POSTING PUBLIC INFO BEING A RULE VIOLATION (BUT WE KNOW RULES DON"T APPLY TO PERSONAL PERSPECTIVES)
This message board has very simple rules:
You are to behave polite and friendly here (just adding a lot of smilies is not enough). Use netiquette. ( I am who I am and until intentional provoked I am a nice guy)
When writing your messages, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Flames, insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated.
(For the record anyone that has seen my videos knows I have no issue telling people to their face what I think)
It's fine to disagree strongly with opinions, ideas, and facts, but always with respect for the other person. Great minds do not always think alike.
Don't publish private messages without approval from all involved.
We promote one of the most difficult "martial arts": BYT - Bite Your Tongue. It is easy to snap back at someone, but much more effective to rise above them.
(Bitting your tongue when you should say something implies something I already covered)
If what you have to say is not constructive and positive, then there are many other places on the 'Net for you to post it. Or you BYT.
There is a zero tolernance policy on threats or promotion of violence, against people on the board or outside. Even if it was intended as a joke.
(Agreed and would never tolerate it, all things can and should be handled with free speech)
Post your own original words and don't forward text you can easily link to. Make a web page and link to that in your post if you need to repeat something - or if what you feel you must say is off topic or not suited for OCMB.
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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:11 am 
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Radio Paul wrote:
I agree with Don Carlo on this one. I don't see the point of posting facebook pages of someone's brother (or any of someone's family members, for that matter). Doesn't matter if they're publicly accessible
Some people here need to pull the logs out of their proverbial asses. It's been long asked by LA protesters why Tim Armer ALWAYS wears Hawaii shirts? I provided that answer in the link to his brother's FB page which shows he's in Hawaii. That is all.

Seriously. Humor of this board has been undermined by anal retention.


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:46 pm 
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Radio Paul wrote:
charlottesometimes wrote:
I agree with Don Carlo on this one. I don't see the point of posting facebook pages of someone's brother (or any of someone's family members, for that matter). Doesn't matter if they're publicly accessible---just because you *can* post a multitude of details about someone, it doesn't mean you always should. I can see the relevance of IDing down someone who's assaulted or threatened one of the protesters, on occasion, and IDing handlers, but I don't see why their families (who are not handling/assaulting/harrassing protesters) need to be brought to everyone's attention, also.


You proved my whole point. It is about YOU seeing a point. I have been told repeatedly by the Mods that this is a free speech site. Again I ask you all to please list your personal dictatorial rules. I did not know I need to woow each admin as to mine or others reasons for posting something. Never mind the reasons for posting public info on people has been stated many times on this subject before. It is clear that despite all the Admins claims of free speech they are full of it.

I will make the argument yet again. Cashing info in a public forum of public info on cult members does a number of things. It helps pool useful information on members if it is needed to turn over to law enforcement when cult members commit crimes such as the ever growing number attacks against protestors. Yes being able to say that Tim has a relative by the name of will speed up their investigation as to where to find him before can be moved out of state. It might be nice to know if Heber Carl Jentzsch has a relative or DM has a brother. (YOUR NOT GOING TO DELETE THIS ARE YOU) I am sure DM's brother who is now out of Scientology would not even want people to know that he exist. What is the point of me even bring him up now that he is out. BETTER NOT BE A HYPOCRITE and you better delete that.

It allows people to see patterns in relationships that cult members have. Public discussion on how to reach these people. Subject A might only have Sci contacts but Subject B has all types and few Sci. This can help evaluate things like true numbers, die hard members and such. Public forums also show and expose things like child abuse / abandonment, bizarre beliefs Etc. A photo of subject A who is a OT III spending Christmas with relatives shows him to be a hypocrite and a liar on the origins of Christ in my opinion but I am not allowed to develop that opinion on this board by exchanging publicly found information and talking about it.

I could go on with other reasons but I really don't care to explain myself to people that want to proclaim supporting free speech but act like fascist tools because they personally don't see a reason for it.

Either stick to the core values of OCMBor go do something else.

"What are the rules on OCMB?"
NOTE THE LACK OF POSTING PUBLIC INFO BEING A RULE VIOLATION (BUT WE KNOW RULES DON"T APPLY TO PERSONAL PERSPECTIVES)
This message board has very simple rules:
You are to behave polite and friendly here (just adding a lot of smilies is not enough). Use netiquette. ( I am who I am and until intentional provoked I am a nice guy)
When writing your messages, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Flames, insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated.
(For the record anyone that has seen my videos knows I have no issue telling people to their face what I think)
It's fine to disagree strongly with opinions, ideas, and facts, but always with respect for the other person. Great minds do not always think alike.
Don't publish private messages without approval from all involved.
We promote one of the most difficult "martial arts": BYT - Bite Your Tongue. It is easy to snap back at someone, but much more effective to rise above them.
(Bitting your tongue when you should say something implies something I already covered)
If what you have to say is not constructive and positive, then there are many other places on the 'Net for you to post it. Or you BYT.
There is a zero tolernance policy on threats or promotion of violence, against people on the board or outside. Even if it was intended as a joke.
(Agreed and would never tolerate it, all things can and should be handled with free speech)
Post your own original words and don't forward text you can easily link to. Make a web page and link to that in your post if you need to repeat something - or if what you feel you must say is off topic or not suited for OCMB.
Don't feed those who are here to distract and destroy the friendly discussion. Learn to notice who these are instead!
The board is reactively moderated by the Administrators. Based on what is found or is notified about, the default procedure is:

A complaint must be sent to the Administrator no later than one week after the post was posted. The complaint must contain proper reference and/or link to the text it refers to. Alternatively use the little red exclamation mark on every post to report it.
A thread that goes off topic or turns nasty might be closed and/or (re)moved.
If the Administrators considers a post to breach the rules of this board then they may issue a public warning to the poster, and the second time disable access for the poster for minimum two weeks. Newcomers or very bad breaches may not be warned or get a second chance.
After two weeks the user can apply for the account to be opened again..
It is no excuse what lead up to the post in question, it is absolutely no excuse that others were worse than you. Everybody is alone responsible for their behaviour.
Please direct all debate related to the moderation and administration of OCMB to the topic "System >> Feedback & Help". Thank you for your understanding and support.

Radio Paul you left out the unwritten rule. This reads (would read if it were written): "The mods can do wtf they like. And if you criticize their pov or actions you are liable to be booted off on a pretext."

One of the many bad things about scientology is the way it restricts free speech. That's also one of the bad things about OCMB.


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 Post subject: Re: Scilon handlers on Facebook
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:02 pm 
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Critics wouldn't want photos and names of their mothers on a site attacking critics, especially if their mother had nothing to do with Scientology or anti-Scientology. That goes double for their kids. It lowers us to their level. Critics could say so-and-so has a Facebook page, and let people find it and look at whatever's there, themselves. Posting family photos is off-topic and lets them play victim.


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