Thinking about this sad story of forced abortions - I have to say that on a longer perspective it leads to a faster decline of the cult.

Kids born in the cult environment are probably much deeper indoctrinated as people who knew a life BEFORE they joined the cult. These kids don't know any alternative.

If the cult would be clever and would think about a long term strategy they would encourage young people in the SO to have babys because these kids would be the future soldiers in the fight to clear the world.

But as we all know eternity in Scientology ends every Thursday at 2 pm. They never had and will never have a long term battle plan since they are so occupied to make it through this week and the next week and the next week and so on.

It's like with a tribe of cannibals: You just have to sit aside and wait until they all have eaten up each other.
But it's heartbreaking to see that behind each fanatic Scio is a heart and a human spirit who wants to do the best for the world. And it's heartbreaking that you are condemned to stay aside and watch the destruction and self destruction taking place.

James

Any situations where abortions are coerced, forced or even suggested cannot be said to be situations where self determination is taking place.

For information about abortions in the sea org, this thread is a good place to start.

Ladybird

GRAHAM E. BERRY, State Bar No. 128503
GORDON J. CALHOUN, State Bar No. 84509
LEWIS, D'AMATO, BRISBOIS & BISGAARD
N. Figueroa Street, Suite 1200
Los Angeles, California 90012
Telephone: (213) 250-1800

Attorneys for Defendants
UWE GEERTZ, PH. D.

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY Case No. Cv 91 6426 HLH (Tx)
INTERNATIONAL, a California
non-profit religious DECLARATION OF MARY TABAYOYON
organization, RE: MOTION FOR COSTS
Plaintiff, Date: APRIL 4, 1994
Time: 10:00 a.m.
VS. Courtroom: 7

STEVEN-FISHMAN AND UWE GEERTZ,
Defendants.

DECLARATION OF MARY TABAYOYON
I, Mary Tabayoyon, declare as follows:
1. I became a Scientologist in 1967. I became a member of the elite Sea Organization (Sea Org) in 1971. I remained in the Sea Org until I left Scientology in December 1992.

2. One of my first positions in the Sea Org was receptionist under Heber Jentzsch, at the Celebrity Center in Los Angeles, run by Yvonne Gilliam Jentzsch.

3. In 1972, I was transferred to the Flagship Apollo. While on the ship, I was on the personal staff of Mary Sue and L. Ron Hubbard in the household Unit ("HU").

4. In March of 1973 my husband Andre, and I were transferred to the Advanced Organization Los Angeles (AOLA). We were transferred because I was pregnant and children were not allowed on the ship. I spent approximately 10 years at AOLA.

5. In July of 73, our son Casavius was born. He has been in Scientology and he was ever since birth. He now has disconnected from us due to the fact that we left the Sea Org and are no longer in agreement with several of the tenets of the Sea Org.

6. In late 1984, I was transferred to the highly confidential location in Hemet, California, commonly referred to as "UPLINES." Sea Org members who work at this location call it, "the Base". The Sea Org units that were at the base were Golden Era Productions ("Gold". Golden Era Productions produces all of the Scientology films tapes, E-meters, music and promotions), Commodores Messengers Organization International (CMOI), Watch Dog Committee (WDC), Religious Technology Center (RTC), and Commodores Messenger Org Golden Era Productions (CMO GOLD). I spent the last eight years of my tenure in the Sea Org at this base in Hemet.


BEGINNING IN 1986, MEMBERS OF THE SEA ORG WERE FORBIDDEN TO HAVE ANY MORE CHILDREN IF THEY WERE TO STAY ON POST AND THE HUBBARD TECHNOLOGY WAS APPLIED TO COERCIVELY PERSUADE US TO HAVE ABORTIONS SO THAT WE COULD REMAIN ON POST.
7. On September 28, 1986, Gillaume Leserve, the Executive Director International ("ED Int"), put out an order binding on all Sea Org members. Within the Sea Org, these binding orders were called Flag orders. The September 28, 1986 Flag Order No. 3905 forbade Sea Org members from having any more new children. The reason given by ED Int. was that the Sea Org simply did not have the time, money and resources to raise children properly. In the event Sea Org members elected to disobey this Flag Order, they would be exiled to a non Sea Org Scientology organization of the Class IV level until the Child reached 6 years of age. Once the unauthorized child achieved 6 years of age, the parents could return to the Sea Org.
8. On April 3, 1991, an addition to this Flag Order was issued. Part of that supplement provided that anyone who did get pregnant would be sent to a non-expanding Class IV Org. The Commanding Officer of CMOI, Marc Yager, endorsed application of this supplement to all crew at the base and added to it. It stressed that Sea Org members were the top echelon of the Sea Org. As such Yager admonished us that we had the responsibility on our shoulders for the expansion of Scientology and freeing mankind. Scientology's Senior management determined, we, at this high level, could not afford the time and resources it would take to raise children. Having children was found to undermine our production and our purpose. It became an Ethics matter. An Ethics matter is an offense against Scientology. An ethics matter arises when a Scientologist does something which detracts from the spreading of Scientology. Ethics matters are dealt with through Scientology rituals administered to those who have "wandered off the straight and narrow". (See definition of "out ethics", attached as Exhibit 1).

9. Furthermore, Sea Org members would be exiled, would be sent to a non-Sea Org, lower organization called a Class IV Org to serve as a staff member. The only concession to our years of devoted service was the fact that we were entitled to keep our membership in the Sea Org.

10. The Flag Order established that Sea Org members who disobeyed it and chose to have children would not be allowed to choose which Class IV organization they would serve. Rather, Scientology's senior management would send the offending Sea Org members to a Class IV organization that was failing. This is a severe punishment. In a failing Class IV Org an exiled Sea Org member would have to fend for himself or herself and try and raise a child on the nominal compensation provided to the staff of a failing Class IV Org. In addition, the exiled Sea Org members would be obligated to revive the failing Org or suffer more Ethics conditions.

11. While at the base, I knew of several instances of staff getting pregnant and being coerced to get an abortion. Some instances were relayed to me by the victims themselves and others were relayed to me by another. In two instances, the couples to keep their child despite extensive course of ethics method and thus were banished to a failing Class IV organization. In every instance they had to go through ethics handling designed to prevent them that it would be far more advantageous to Scientology and the Sea Org for each of them to have an abortion. Some of these women went through extensive pressure methods to convince them to have an abortion. The severity of the Ethics handling was directly proportional to the prospective mother's desire and insistence to keep the child. I myself got pregnant in 1993 and gave up my child due to my greatly misguided obligation and dedication to the Sea Org.

12. During the year and a half before I discovered I was pregnant, I was incessantly drilled, along with all other Gold crew, on becoming perfect and on purpose Sea Org member who would always follow Command Intention. Command intention basically means the intention of the highest in command over all of Scientology and Sea Org. Like LRH, Mark Yager and David Miscavige were expressed in various forms of publication I was indoctrinated that I should never put my own personal desires ahead of the accomplishment of the purpose of the Sea Org. I was indoctrinated to believe that I should never put my own personal desires ahead of the accomplishment of the purpose of the Sea Org. Although I would have dearly loved to have had my child and the idea of abortion is abhorrent to me, I did not dare to say it would be nice to keep my baby.

13. I told the Medical Officer (Martine Collins) of my pregnancy. She immediately went into action to arrange for my abortion. She told me, that I would naturally be expected to pay for it myself, since it was considered Out Ethics to get pregnant. (Out Ethics in Scientology simply means your reasoning facilities are no longer thinking in a direction designed to promote Scientology and must be corrected).

14. Medical Office Collins told me to call for the appointment to have an abortion myself. She told me not to give the address of the base as my address or to acknowledge I was from the base. She said the reason for this was because there were too many woman going there from the base for abortions and it was probably becoming "out PR" (out Public Relations, which means your public relations have gone bad).

15. The day after I returned from my abortion, I was weak and sore and had cramps. I proposed a light work load that I felt I could accomplish. My Senior, Megan Rae, refused this and instead gave me a target that literally would have taken about many people to accomplish in one day. I attempted to let her know what an impossible task it was and that her order must have been a joke. I soon learned that she was completely serious. My obvious protest on this was met with the barked threat, "If you use this abortion cycle to dramatize inefficiency and thus not accomplish your production targets, I will have you comm-eved." A commev is short for Committee of Evidence. It is one of the severest Ethics actions you can level at someone.

16. A friend of mine, Betty Hardin, who works in the treasury division of Golden Era Productions, told me that she used to transport the pregnant women at the base to Riverside, California for their abortions. For about a year, she transported women almost weekly to the Planned Parenthood Center, in Riverside, so that they could have their abortions and follow up check ups that were needed. She said it just became routine. Pregnant Sea Org members were sent to the Planned Parenthood Center to get their abortions. When they returned to the base they went to Ethics.

17. The term "Ethics" is used to name the place you go to have your ethics be back put in. To explain this in regular terms, you are sent to ethics any time you've gone off the rails, like went against Command Intention, mistakenly or purposefully, and the ethics officer would then work with you until you were again unswervingly dedicated to advancing Scientology and had made up the "damage". I will explain more about Ethics and its methods later.

18. Betty Hardin said, once formerly pregnant women were back from having their abortions, they would be sent to Ethics and made to do "lower conditions". Lower conditions are, from the lowest on up; Confusion, Treason, Enemy, Doubt, and Liability. Each one of these lower conditions have an exact set of steps you follow. once you get through all the steps of all the lower conditions, successfully, and only the Ethics officer can officially determine if you have gotten through it correctly, and thus let you go on to the next higher condition, you are a gung-ho Sea Org member again with new and revitalized determinism to never make a mistake again that would cause or threaten any harm to your group.

19. My senior made me do the steps of the condition formula called "Danger", which is the next higher condition higher than liability. This was to handle my ethics on the fact I got pregnant. The reason I didn't have to do treason and all the lower conditions is I professed that the Scientology auditing I had prior to my pregnancy had healed my body to such a degree that I was able to get pregnant despite the fact that a doctor told me years earlier that I probably would never have any more children. This wasn't altogether true but it was my only solution to avoid going to Ethics and being put through those lower conditions again. I knew eventually in my future confessional, it would come up and I would have to come clean on it and then do the lower conditions, but I simply was not up to it at that time. This was really quite unusual for me too, as I had made it a constant necessity in my life to always be very truthful.

20. Also, to preserve my own integrity and dignity in my own mind, I professed to myself and to a couple of friends that my husband and I had a real fear of either me or my baby not living through a birth due to complications in an earlier unsuccessful delivery I went through. But the truth was and is, had I been in my normal frame of mine, I would never have considered abortion. My husband and I still wish to have another child.

21. I asked Betty how many women she had actually taken to Riverside to have their abortions. She didn't want to tell me. From the way she had been talking, it sounded like quite a few, so I asked, conservatively, "Was it more than 20?" She waived her arm and said very emphatically, "Oh yes!"

22. Betty also told me how she finally flat out refused to be the driver anymore and it was getting to be quite an embarrassment as there were often anti-abortionists petitioning going on in front of the Planned Parenthood center and they kept seeing her bringing woman to get abortions.

23. The following are the brief stories of women I knew who had abortions after undergoing coercive ethics sessions and being threatened with exile to a Class IV organization. Because this topic wasn't something that we were supposed to talk about, for the sake of Public Relations, within and outside the Base to protect the women involved from retribution and to preserve their privacy, I have not given their names.

A. Case I: She was my friend and also worked in my department at the time of her pregnancy and abortion. She appeared very upset about it and really wouldn't talk about it at first. I got her to talk about it one day when we were alone. She said she would have loved to have kept her baby but after she got through her ethics cycle (which I remember lasted for at least a week) she realized she wasn't ready to have a child. (She was 20 years old). She said her husband was completely thrilled she was pregnant and wanted so much to keep the baby. He was very adamant on keeping the baby. But after the ethics cycle he looked at the fact that he would probably never be able to come back to the base and he would lose his beloved job and position in Gold. He would have to go to a Class IV Org. At any rate, the ethics actions convinced them to be "good Sea Org members" and abort the child so they could stay "On Purpose" in the Sea Org. "On Purpose" in the Sea Org just means you are being and doing what is needed and wanted in furthering the purpose of the Sea Org. 1 (Note: I will later explain the coercive methods of the ethics techniques in Scientology).

B. Case II: Her husband worked in the same area I did at the time of her first pregnancy. He confided in me as a friend, that his wife was pregnant and had decided to keep the baby again! She had been talked out of it once already by ethics but now decided again to keep it.. I talked to her later and asked her if she was pregnant. She said yes and that she was going to keep it. She said it very adamantly. I said good. We discussed the reference in Hubbard's book, Dianetics. the Modern Science of Mental Health, where Hubbard it very clear that he is against abortions. (See Exhibit 2) She was clearly glad to have someone on her side. Sometime later, I heard she went ahead and had the abortion. She also landed on the Rehabilitation Project Force ("RPF"). The RPF is basically a prison camp in the Sea Org. Some months later, I was told she got pregnant again. The fact she became pregnant against while on RPF is remarkable because RPFers' living quarters are segregated from those of other Sea Org members on the base (including spouses) and by her husband was under guard because he was believed to be security risk during her incarceration. This time rather than submit to an abortion she successfully escaped from the base and never returned to the Sea Org. We later found out that she went to England and had her baby there. I read the letter Tina sent her sister. She had sent pictures of her beautiful baby girl. She was a very proud mother and very much in love with her baby.

C. Case III: I was told that sometime in 1986, Case III got pregnant. It was a huge flap because she had always, up to that time, been a top Commodores messenger (meaning L. Ron Hubbard's messenger). She and her husband were very determined to keep the baby. She was put through very extensive ethics, with heavier and heavier threats and penalties until She finally submitted and had her abortion. Around 1990, I saw that he had gotten pregnant again. Coincident with her pregnancy I saw her off post and only doing manual labor. Her husband told me that they were determined to keep their baby. Months later they both successfully escaped. They have not returned to the Sea Org, and I understand that she and her husband have been blessed with an adorable son.

D. Case IV: I was told she was pregnant. She went through Ethics Procedure and had an abortion.

E. Case V: She appeared to be going through hell. She often looked as though she'd been crying. She often looked to be in a state of emotional collapse. I tried to be extra friendly and tried to get her to talk, but she just put on a smile and changed the subject. She and her husband were taken off post and put through extensive ethics handlings because they were determined to have the baby. Then one day I saw them both looking happy and back on post. I asked the husband about what had happened with their baby. He said they had both gone through the lower ethics condition formulas and came out of "Doubt", and she had gone ahead and gotten an abortion. Months later I saw her looking like she was in shock and mentally destroyed after being thrown in the lake with about 6 other Qual staff for not making a target of what they were assigned to accomplish that day. She later blew with another man who was also on staff in the same division.

F. Case VI: I was told Case VI got pregnant and had her abortion while married to one of Scientology's senior managers. I saw her break up with and divorce her husband. Later, she married another Sea Org member at the base. After that she was sent to the RPF.

G. Case VII: I was told Case VII got pregnant and was made to get an abortion by the use of ethics procedures. She mentally collapsed. Having the abortion destroyed her emotionally. She has never been the same since the abortion. She used to be happy and fun to fool around with but after her abortion, it was hard to ever get her to cheer up and joke around anymore. This was related to me by Case VII's best friend.

H. Case VIII: This couple managed to maintain their own sense of integrity and not give up their child. They were undergoing Ethics handlings for about a month before they were finally allowed to go to a Class IV Organization, and thus keep their baby. Ethics was trying to coerce then into having an abortion. They were considered in Treason when they left, and they were talked about spitefully at staff meeting, basically being labeled, deserters. It was as if they left the Sea Org which is considered about the worst crime you can commit amongst, Sea Org members.

I. Case IX: This couple opted to leave, due to her pregnancy. They were sent to the Santa Barbara Class IV Organization in total disgrace for choosing to leave the Sea Org group and go off and have a baby. They were also spoken very critically of at a staff meeting.

I spoke to the husband before they left, in order to get his viewpoint on leaving. He said it was partly for personal reasons, in that he felt that this way he would have a chance to possibly make it go right to get through his OT III (one of the most advanced levels in Scientology) review, and finally get through OT III. He said he'd been stuck in it for 3 years and hadn't been able to get the auditing due to lack of staff auditors. He said, it was literally driving him nuts and felt his only hope was to make it go right on his own to get this.

About four years later, I saw them at the Advance Organization of Los Angeles ("AOLA"). AOLA is where Scientologists attend advanced levels in Scientology). They were both extremely thin. Their daughter, who was now about 4 years old was also extremely thin. The mother had some sort of skin disease that covered half her face. The marriage was destroyed and they were getting a divorce. She tried to keep up a good front. But she did tell me that the Santa Barbara Org was very broke. This meant they were also very broke and barely making it. Class IV org staff members are paid out of the receipts from sales of Scientology literature and courses as the org. Seeing them in this way really convinced me that anyone would be a fool to go to a Class IV Org to have their baby. It seemed to have caused them untold hardships. This lasting impression I formed was one of the things that affected my thinking about a year later, when I discovered my own pregnancy. It's interesting that the only other alternative in keeping your baby, other than go to a failing Class IV Organization was to actually route out of the Sea Org entirely. It's hard to describe how completely unthinkable this would be to someone as completely indoctrinated and dedicated to the Sea org as my husband and I were. A way to describe it is with the analogy of the feeling you would get if someone put a gun in your hand and told you to go shoot your family. You would feel that there is just no way in the world, for whatever reason whatsoever, that you would ever do that.

J. Case X: She apparently didn't put up much of a resistance to getting an abortion because her pregnancy was making her constantly very ill.

24. I can see now that the act of getting my abortion along with the harsh treatment from my seniors afterwards, began jolting me out of the indoctrinated state of blind dedication to the Sea Org. Another thing that jolted me was, just before going back to the Riverside Planned Parenthood, for a check up, 2 weeks after my abortion, I was getting administered to me something called, False Data Stripping. This action was opening my eyes to some real craziness that were going on at the Base, to which I had previously cast a blind eye. The biggest craziness being the fact that, Miscavige, the highest leader in Scientology, was regularly (about once a month or so) angrily yelling at us in staff meetings about how inept and incompetent and inefficient we all were. Sometimes he would even say, "WOG's could do better." (WOG is a derogatory term used in the Sea org to mean someone in the outside world who probably hasn't even heard of Scientology.)

25. These same Miscavige had the crew of Gold at their various posts and functions performing their duties. The video portrayed Gold Crew as demigods, in their levels of proficiency, perfection and skills.

26. Another oddity was I would sometimes note how poorly many of the lower Sea Org Organizations were doing and some of the lower Class IV Organizations. Despite this, Miscavige would portray the International Scientology Scene as doing fantastically well and booming, at all the major Scientology events where he and all his immediate juniors called IG's (Inspector Generals) would talk. Each portraying their area of responsibility as doing fabulously well!

27. I was never able to complete the false data stripping, because I had to leave in the middle of it to go to my doctor appointment for a check up (which was 2 weeks after my abortion). This was lucky as I had been able to complete all the "false data stripping" steps, I would have made complete sense out of everything again and been well on my way of getting back to my thoroughly indoctrinated, very dedicated Sea Org self again.

28. My husband picked me up after my check-up. It was then that he told me of his big argument be had just had with Miscavige and how Miscavige had greatly insulted him. After he told me the whole scene that occurred, he told me, if he had it his way he would just get in our pick-up and leave the Sea Org right now. I daily basis and that "this is a better utilization of productive time.

32. Attached hereto as Exhibit C is a copy of a communication from Fred Swan to Scientology Administration dated November 9, 1989 and complaining about the Executive Directive on family time. Specifically, the communication complains of being deprived of the one-hour per day that parents had been previously permitted to spend with their children.

33. Attached hereto as Exhibit D is a copy of a Scientology Executive Directive dated November 21, 1989 regarding pregnant couples in the Pacific Area Command of the Sea Org. Such couples were to be reposted to "a small and failing Org."

34. Attached hereto as Exhibit E is a November 27, 1989 Scientology personnel order regarding Jill Graham. She was in violation of Scientology policy by having a child and remaining on the advance organization of Los Angeles staff instead of being transferred to a more menial post.

35. Attached hereto as Exhibit F is a letter dated December 5, 1989 from Ken Shapiro to Scientology administration regarding the order that parents stop spending time with their children. He complains that it is not enough that a parent can only see his/her child once every two weeks.

36. Attached hereto as Exhibit G is a communication dated December 8, 1989 from Scientologist Mya and Leif Bergman regarding the cancellation of Scientology time. It complains about the Scientology canceling the one hour per day that Sea Organization members are permitted to spend with their children.

37. Attached hereto as Exhibit H is a Scientology communication dated December 30, 1989 regarding Karen (Jentzsch) Barter. In pertinent part, at the bottom of the second page there is a statement "Dear Sue: Do you know anything in regards to getting Karen Barter handled on wanting to have another child?"

38. Attached hereto as Exhibit I is a Scientology communication dated January 29, 1990 disciplining Yolanda Avila for objecting to the cancellation of family time and calling for a board of investigation that had the result of creating enturbulation or upset in the Pacific Area Command of Scientology. Furthermore, that "there has been cross criminality found on the reg lines in all PAC Orgs." (Para. 2).

Treatment of children in Scientology
and particularly the Sea Org

Part of Tax-exempt Child Abuse and Neglect by Mike Gormez. Visit the message board.




From: stacy8@gte.net (Stacy Brooks Young)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.support.ex-cult,alt.abortion
Subject: Re: New Hampshire picket and forced abortions [in Scientology]
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 23:46:56 GMT
Message-ID: <6t1ro9$327$1@news-1.news.gte.net>

What Jesse and Warrior have described is absolutely accurate. The treatment of
children in Scientology, and particularly the Sea Org, is utterly heartbreaking.


I had a dear friend, Andy Lenarcic, with whom I worked for nearly ten years,
beginning when I first recruited him into the Guardian's Office in DC in 1979
and continuing when we both worked in the FREEDOM Office in the Office of
Special Affairs and later in the LRH Biography Unit under Pat Broeker and
Vaughn.

Andy and his wife Ann, also a dear friend of mine, used to live in a small,
shabby room in the Hollywood Inn building on Hollywood Boulevard. They lived in
this room with Ann's teenage daughter Heather and Andy and Ann's young daughter
Jennifer. Andy used to worry terribly about living in such close quarters with
his wife and these two young girls.

Family time was extremely important to both Andy and Ann. At that time, parents
were allowed to see their children for one hour during dinner, as long as it did
not cut across any production and as long as their stats were up. I was Andy's
senior at the time and I always covered for him so he could see his kids,
regardless of what supposed production "crisis" we had at the time. For God's
sake! There was always a production crisis, because we were always given too
little time to get our assignments done, which meant we were never able to get a
full night's sleep. Andy was never able to see his children at night, because
they were always asleep when he got home. If we were lucky we would be allowed
to leave post at 11 or 11:30 p.m., but usually it was much later than that, if
at all. So the only time he could ever see Jennifer was over dinner. Whenever
possible Andy and I conspired to make sure he could see her, for at least that
hour ever day. Often our production "crises" were so extreme that it was out of
my control and he was forced to go for days at a time without seeing his
daughter.

This was the situation for all the parents in the Sea Org in Los Angeles. They
would be forbidden to see their children and then they would be blamed when
their children got in trouble or got sick. It was a totally insane situation.

Although I didn't have children of my own, I heard about the problems in the
Cadet Org because I was in OSA, and it was OSA that was responsible for taking
care of the "flaps" caused by the children. For example, it was a huge flap when
all of the Scientology children showed up at their public school with lice. This
happened frequently. It was a flap when there was a health inspection and the
children's quarters were so filthy that an "all-hands" had to be called to clean
up the filth before the inspectors arrived. It was a flap when a Cadet Org staff
member was caught forcing sex on the children. This happened several times that
I can remember. It was a flap when parents wrote reports complaining that their
children -- including babies -- were being left totally alone all day long and
into the night because there were no personnel to take care of them.

Many people routed out of the Sea Org because they were unwilling to allow their
children to be treated this way. Many others "blew" (meaning that they did not
just leave staff or the Sea Org; they left Scientology altogether).

I know several women who are former Commodore’s Messengers. These were young
girls, usually in the early to late teens, who waited on LRH hand and foot when
he was on the ship, the Appollo. Some of these young girls had as many as six
and eight abortions -- in fact, the messengers required so many abortions that
it was part of the routine whenever they docked in a port for all the girls to
go to the local hospital and stay in a ward together for their abortions.

Later, these messengers ended up mostly at the secret international management
compound (known as "Int") in Gilman Hot Springs east of Los Angeles. Children
were forbidden at Int, so these young women were forced to have abortions in
order to remain there. I know several former Commodore’s Messengers who are no
longer in Scientology specifically because they were unwilling to have any more
abortions. Some of them now have lovely children; others less fortunate are
unable to have children because of the damage they suffered from repeated
abortions.

Something else that used to happen all the time was that parents would be sent
on mission to Europe or New York or Clearwater or wherever, and no provision
would be made for how their children would be cared for. Parents were supposed
to "make it go right," although how they were supposed to do this was always
maddeningly unclear. A parent couldn’t ask a fellow staff member to care for
their child, because only parents were allowed to have family time. So there was
no way a parent could ensure their child was going to be cared for while they
were gone. Often these missions lasted for months at a time, and the children
were simply neglected the entire time.

Parents who refused to leave their children were subjected to relentless
screaming, cursing, sleep deprivation, ethics conditions, and security checking
to uncover the source of their "counter-intention." Basically, as in any other
situation in the Sea Org, the parents were simply beaten down into apathy until
they agreed to whatever they were told to do. Psychologically they were forced
to dissociate from their children completely so that they would no longer feel
any responsibility for them. This had disastrous consequences for these
children.

But this is how it could happen that Mike and Kathy Rinder’s baby died (the
scientologists say of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, or SIDS, others who were
there say it was from neglect and dehydration) and Mike never went to Clearwater
for the funeral or to be with his wife. This is the state of mind that is
required of parents in the Sea Org. Had Mike protested, he would have found
himself in lower conditions or worse. The truth is that some losses are so
profound, you just keep them private, because you don’t want your seniors in the
Sea Org to come anywhere near you. For Mike, I’m sure he was terribly saddened
by the death of his child but never showed it to DM, because he had no desire to
have DM degrade the memory of his child with his Sea Org attitude that
"production is more important," or that "the kid can just pick up a new body
anyway, so what’s the big deal?"

Many former scientologists that I have spoken to feel terrible guilt for the way
they allowed their children to be treated while they were in the Sea Org. One of
my dearest friends was pregnant when she was assigned to the RPF. She was on the
1977 RPF in Los Angeles, when the RPF was used as slave labor to renovate the
newly purchased Cedars of Lebanon Hospital, which is now "the Complex." These
people were forced to do hard labor for thirty hours at a time, and then allowed
only three hours of sleep. They were not provided any beds; often they had to
sleep on the top floor of the parking structure, even when it was raining. My
friend was desperately afraid that her baby would be damaged by this physical
treatment which she was forced to undergo, but when she tried to get a more
lenient schedule because of her pregnancy she was assigned lower conditions for
"putting her own welfare before the good of the group."

To protect her baby she finally escaped from the Sea Org, but by then her child
was already damaged. The doctors thought she had been a heavy drug user during
her pregnancy, because her baby was so seriously ill when he was born. In truth
it took several years before her child finally caught up with other children his
own age. Today, he is a wonderful, charming young man, but his mother will never
forgive herself for putting him at such severe risk in the first few months of
his development.

There are many, many such horror stories that parents could tell about life for
children in Scientology. For those of you who have such information, I urge you
to come forward and tell your story. Only in this way will we be able to save
the next generation of children from similar abuse and tragedy. If any of you
are afraid to come forward for fear of harassment from scientology, please write
to me privately at stacy8@gte.net or call me at 206-463-6809. If you would
prefer to write to me via the mail, you can send me your story at PO Box 2698,
Vashon, WA 98070.

Please help us save the children.

Stacy Brooks Young

PS: The addresses for Stacey are old, but please, if you have information to share, please post it here or contact someone you trust. Many critics post their #s and email, or you can PM me.

Ladybird

Since the enforced abortions started in 1986, let's assume the last Sea Org baby arrived in 1987, so he or she would be 18 by now. This becomes a demographic squeeze for Sea Org as

First, by 2007 there will be NO "born in Sea Org" teenagers anymore.
Second, CoS employees outside Sea Org can hardly afford housing and groceries, let alone children.
Third, the CoS public (let's call them the first generation) is already middle aged and THEIR children (the second generation) have either joined Sea Org already or staff already, or are struggling with poor job skills, a bizarre vocabulary, and (mostly) no college education. Thus the second generation won't be producing, in the period 2005-2025, many members of the THIRD generation.

Fourth, fewer "new" Scientologists will join Sea Org since
(a) teens today will never give up their cell phones and Instant Messaging
(b) They see websites and comedians telling OT 3 secrets
(c) To an 18 year old, Tom Cruise is OLD.
(d) Gay 18 year old actors will more likely just come out of the closet, rather than run to CoS for a "cure" of their gayness.
(e) Straight 18 year old men don't want a religious full of jokes about "The heterosexual Tom Cruise"
(f) The public members of CoS are increasingly middle-aged which is boring to young people.

So, even if CoS continues, by 2025, Sea Org will be populated by 38 year-olds-and-older, sucking money out of a public that is in their 70's and 80's. Not a viable situation.

Good points, Don Carlo! Many of the current "Executives" in the Sea org are in fact 2nd or 3rd generation scientologists. Including the asthmatic dwarf David Miscavige.

The forced and coerced abortions actually started way before 1986 though.

The fact that scientology preys upon teenagers as recruits and signs them up for lifetime after lifetime billion year contracts, and forbids them from dating or any kind of "2D" (second dynamic, or sex and family) contact, sets the stage for young marriages, and frequent divorces.

How you are supposed to get regular health care let alone birth control with no health care insurance and a pay of less than 50 dollars a week I just don't know.

Also, how can a young teenager decide he or she will NEVER fall in love and want a family and children?

I personally know of 2 young people who decided as part of an ethics handling to become permanently sterilized at their own expense. I know of others who did as well.

I know this decision was later regretted deeply.

From the scientology Admin (green) dictionary:



Scientology does all of these things.


Ladybird

Dear Ladybird,

I am so unwell right now dang it. POO. Thank you for pointing me at this thread, although I really don't think I can do it justice. I have a lot to say about it, and I hope I make some kind of sense.

L. Ron's Son was the product of a botched abortion and he witnessed his father engage in an abortion as well, didn't he? I will have to refer to his interview with Penthouse to get the exact reference, but I have heard it before. L. Ron was seemingly fascinated by abortions, but this is a manner of destroying God's works and therefore falls in line with the general destructiveness of satanic practice. Ah, here it is...

From Penthouse June 1983:

"L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., is a survivor. His appearance on earth, May 7, 1934, was the result of failed abortion rituals by his father, and Ron, after only six and a half months in the womb and at 2.2 pounds entered the world. His mother, Margeret ("Polly") Grubb, was to have one more child, Catherine May, before her husband ditched her in 1946 to enter into a bigamous marnage with Sarah Northrup. A half sister, Alexis Valerie, survived that union. Soon after that, the founder of Scientology married Mary Sue Whipp, the current Mrs. L. Ron Hubbard, Sr., who at this writing is serving four years in federal prison for stealing government documents. There were four childrens: Diana and Quentin, who died under mysterious circumstances in 1976; Arthur, who has been missing for several years; and Suzette.

Ron Jr. says that he remembers much of his childhood. He claims to recall, at six years, a vivid scene of his father performing an abortion ritual on his mother with a coat hanger. He remembers that when he was ten years old, his father, in an attempt to get his son in tune with his black-magic worship, laced the young hubbard's bubble gum with phenobarbital. Drugs were an important part of Ron Jr.'s growing up, as his father believed that they were the best way to get closer to Satan --the Antichrist of black magic."

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I have interviewed a number of ritual abuse survivors and alien abductees who have this in their backgrounds as well. One common element is that they lived in SoCal where a number of mind control fronts run by Clandestine Services were active. A very few operators cause a huge number of casualities.

I commonly see reproduction control, because some of these cults are fronts for black eugenics programs and enacting Nazi-style race policy. Anthroposophy is one such cult which doesn't bother to hide it's übermensch agenda in the more advanced levels.

Anyhow, reproduction control is practiced in numerous cults and is considered to be a defining aspect of a "dangerous mind control cult". In Satanism, there are "bloodline" members who are allowed to procreate (this accounts for lack of intellectual and physical vitality amongst the inbred practitioners, leaving the world with such people as the homonculous DM and the cretinous GWB), but the raw meat is made infertile by invasive repetitive abortion procedures or by contract (see Heaven's Gate).

Sometimes, they allow them to breed, then remove the fetus in the third month for uses which you would not believe. Many female "UFO abductees" report having been pregnant for one trimester, and then losing the baby with NO PRODUCT. Believe me, it's not aliens who are administering both the conceptions and the abductions. The women are also farmed for valuable ova which fetch about $2-3000. on the black market, and they are left sick and scarred from repeated hormone injections and invasive procedures. Some die. Sometimes, the cults and operatives use fertility clinics, and one such facility in Irvine CA was shut down a few years back. That is the tip of the iceberg, as these facilities were peppered all over SoCal last time I was there.

I consider Scientology a mind control cult which employs trance induction in order to create compliant states. Unfortunately, people are encouraged to enter into delusional thought processes and believe in the most unlikely scenarios. If someone had rape or abortion experiences while under hypnotic control, and remembered artifacts of these events as memories, flashbacks or dreams, they would probably be handled by their auditors to believe these artifacts were the result of past lives or body thetans etc.

A child brought up in such an environment does not stand a chance for a bright future. Except for the elite inner circle, they are raised in poverty and kept in constant trance states. I have not been inside Scientology like I have the satanic cults, UFO groups and New Age orgs that I have observed. I ASSUME these children are at risk of more than just their future procreative opportunities and the hope of having a loving normal family of their own. They are potentially slaves, and this is why they are kept in the cheapest possible circumstances. They are there to generate wealth, not to use it for themselves.

The modus operandi appears the same, so the risk is real. Somebody should do a serious field investigation of the lives of children in Scientology. I understand the testimonials of ex members are good evidence, but what about those who are more easily controlled? Surveillance by a non member is needed because not all people who are entranced are reliable to be good reporters, and it is easy for Scientology to discredit people as some of you have found out.

I will compare raising children in Scientology to the Hitler Youth. I will also compare Delphi Academy to Waldorf Schools. I hope people google these and raise public awareness about communities which engage in trance induction of children. It should be AGAINST THE LAW. It should be EXPOSED ON NATIONAL TV and people who engage in it should be PROSECUTED as CHILD ABUSERS. Nobody should be hypnotized unwittingly. It is a form of rape and assault that leaves no marks and is very difficult to prove because the VICTIMS do not know what hit them and are often programmed to discredit themselves in various ways.

Gotta lie down. Bye for now, I will come back on this issue believe me.

Love,

P.S.~ I am pretty sure that the individual over on the other thread who is smearing his schite all over the place will now visit this thread to continue engaging in his coprophilia. If he does, we can take this discussion over to the moderated forum if you wish, or onto a moderated group I belong to wherein Scientologists are not allowed to play such games. I should also point out that I neglected to mention Rosicrucians in addition to the other cults I named.

Sigh.

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I agree you should go lie down Oz.

I don't see any elite group in Scientology that is actively producing junior Sea Org "leaders," unless you count the Feshbachs (who are rich and controversial CoS public members) and their daughter, Jessica Feshbach Rodriguez. And her big "leadership" role is just following Katie Holmes around and protecting her from the cold hard facts of Scientology. Plus, as a Sea Org worker, Jessica won't be producing any Feshbach grandchildren.

It's important to talk about the abuse and neglect of Sea Org children in the past tense. Like I said, the youngest person raised as a baby in Sea Org would be 18 years old today. No more babies = no more baby neglect in 2005.

Furthermore, public scientologist parents aren't anything like the Sea Org nurseries. Sure, public parents had a lot of bad habits, like barley milk for infants and dumping their kids with underage babysitters so the parents could get their auditing fix. But I saw kids raised by public Scientologists and they seemed normal and clean.

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OK, its better, but I'm really not into girls, not even valley girls.

So what do you think about teenage girls signing billion year contracts and being coerced to have abortions and /or permanent sterilizations?