There certainly is a lot of talent and energy among these actors. It is hard making a living in the arts these days, even if your web of friends collaborate on your projects. CoS tries to claim their success is due to Scientology, but it's most likely a mix of inherited money, intense networking, favoritism / nepotism, looks, and, yes, talent.

Note the fields that the 2nd generation is avoiding: Advanced degree careers like lawyer, doctor, college professors, even dentists. (Yes, some first generation members have those credentials, but the second generation...not so much) Sure, some are teaching at Delphi Academy, but private schools are loose in their hiring requirements. Sports? That requires long dedication, and frequently being on a college sports team; those would interfere with auditing. Also, auditing doesn't improve sports ability, so it would be embarassing to the auditor to see how most of his sports students weren't mastering time and space to become Player of the Year.

Delphian lists some alums who are college grads on its website but I wonder if these are the non-Scientologists who happen to go to Delphian.

In the Spiderweb, there are (A,B) two definite disconnection, (C) a likely disconnection, and (D), (E), and (F), three possible disconnections.
(A) The first definite disconnection is Joe Reaiche, the second husband of Carol Masterson, who spoke against Scientology, https://whyweprotest.net/community/thre ... les.55675/ . Joe was living with his wife Carol and his biological children Jordan and Alanna Masterson (half-siblings of Danny Masterson), at least through 1993, when Alanna was about five. Jordan and Alanna:


(B) The second definite disconnection is Nan Bowers, (Nancy Herst Kugler Bowers), https://whyweprotest.net/community/thre ... xas.17393/ . Ex-wife of 1948 Ben Kugler. Mother of Brad, Todd and Ryan Kugler, from Nancy's father Stuart Herst's 2006 obit,http://articles.chicagotribune.com/keyword/american-jewish-committee/recent/2 . She married (2) Jim Bowers who is out of Scientology. Disconnected from Ben and especially her son Ryan over a Tom Cruise leak, http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/w ... -11.91.txt . Nancy is on CoS's Enemy List, http://www.xenu.net/archive/disk/enemy/nm_lst.htm

(C) The likely disconnection had the red flag of no named father on all biographic pieces on Alyssa Suede. In fact, unless you research, you would think that Alyssa's father is David Campbell. However, Alyssa's birth record says she is Alyssa Suede Weller (from ancestry.com's Calif. Birth Record, which does not give the father's first name). There is a Roger Weller who had Scientology completions right up until Alyssa's mother changed her name and started having completions as Raven Kane Campbell. Despite many articles on the David Campbell - Bibbe Hansen - Raven Kane family and its star, Beck, there is no mention of Raven's previous man, ___ Weller. The man seems to have ceased to exist in Alyssa's life. The saddest and most revealing picture, is that of Roger Weller, who names as his favorite music, that of Alyssa Suede. http://www.facebook.com/roger.weller3 . Alyssa Suede:


(D) The first possible disconnection may be that of Carol Masterson and her family of origin. The red flag is that her maiden name can't be found on-line. For example, Danny Masterson's Wikipedia page lists his father's full name but, for his mother, only "Carol." All other Internet hits for "Danny Masterson" + "Carol" also don't reveal Carol's maiden name; same for all her children. This doesn't prove anything, but it MAY BE that Carol has split from her childhood family and has obliterated their existence from her and her children's biographies. If so, Jordan and Alanna are cut off from their mother Carol's parents, AND father Joe Reaiche's parents. No grandparents. Just mom Carol-who-is-hiding-her-maiden-name. Carol with two of her kids and other young people: http://www.patrickmcmullan.com/site/sea ... +Masterson

(E) The second possible disconnection may be that of Craig Taylor's wife Yul, from her family of origin. Repeated searches in her "Yul Taylor" web pages leave out her maiden name, only stating she was born in the Ukraine. Why are Craig and Yul hiding her name? But they did leave a clue, that she won a NAMSB Foundation Award. A search for "NAMSB" + "Yul" gets her maiden name, Sokolova, at http://www.marymount.edu/newsEvents/new ... 456c6bc09a
Yul official photo at http://www.craigtaylor.com/yul-taylor/about .

(F) The third possible disconnection may be that of Chick Corea's first wife, who is unnamed in Chick's biographies, and is only referred to as his first wife and the mother of both his children Thad and Liana. The now-grown children's pages on the Internet mention their father but not their mother. Chick's parents and second wife are fully named, so this is unusual. Her name Joan M. was found only after an extensive search. Ancestry.com showed her at the same address as Armando A. Corea, Chick's original name. Joan Corea has one page with a link to Thaddeus Corea.

Added Juliet Simms, finalist on The Voice, and Stacy Francis, finalist on The X Factor. Stacy is an example of not being able to wash away the Scientology. She removed references from her own websites, but of course Kristi Wachter's site will always have her and her ex-husband Darwin's course completions, and the video of her performing at the Tom Cruise birthday party will never go away. CoS critics have long memories, Stacy. When you appear in the public eye and especially when you lie about your supposed poverty, discussion sites will stir up your entire past. Critics also connect the dots that a singer may not even know are out there. If Stacy publicly quits Scientology, that will end the is-she-a-Scientologist rumors. Just being a quiet inactive member isn't quite enough to end the rumors. Do it, Stacy. Quit.

Wrong Scott Weigand. The child pornster, Scott Martin Weigand is 47 (born on 3/26/65). The Scilon, Scott Robert Weigand (ex-husband of convicted felon, Libby Eagleton Wilson Weigand Regan) is 54.

http://www2.suncoastnews.com/news/2007/ ... ar-188763/

Pornster was released in 2009.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/InmateRelease ... =429030269

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... regan.html

Libby is now married to David James Regan. http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/st ... regan.html

Last address I have for Scott is the Big Blue on Fountain Ave.. (323) 936-6281.

Thanks, Smurf. I was too hasty. I'll look harder for the age so I can compare, next time.
I apologize to the Weigands for my mistake.

You, no doubt. made the assumption because the porn guy was arrested in Clearwater and there aren't alot of people im Florida named "Scott Weigand". It's an easy mistake.

I still get emails from people asking why I don't talk about my past as an ex-Moonie deprogrammer....confusing me with the ex-Moonie,, Gary Scharf, an attorney in Portland, OR. I learned recently there are actually 2 other "Garry Scarff"'s living in the U.S.

Edgar Winter had the perfect canned response this week:


Translation: I still perform at CoS events (like Christmas Stories** at the Celebrity Centre), where people are nice to celebrities so that means they're nice to everybody. I did the Mission Earth CD because they motivated me by twisting my arm and I thought at least Scientologists would buy it, and maybe a few people will buy it if I mention it here. People are still cool there, but I'm not going to drop names (I don't want to put Chick Corea on the spot), except CoS likes it when I mention L. Ron Hubbard, and say he's the founder (just like Buddha and Jesus and Mohammed). Buy Scientology books! They want me to say Church of Scientology to undercore that it's a real religion. I'm not a fanatic or trying to convert anybody, so you non-Scientologists keep buying tickets to my concerts. I'm not a spokesman even if they use my name to promote Scientology.*** I'm just a humble member and my religion is personal. Scientology IS a religion (and not a high-pressure group). So don't ask anything more about my dainty pure religion or you'll be a big old meanie bigot.
(Sigh of relief when Scientology questions end).

* Edgar Winter, Renaissance Man, St. Augustine.com interview by Nick McGregor, 22 May 2012, http://staugustine.com/surf-drift/2012- ... ssance-man
** 2009 performance, http://luana1980.wordpress.com/2009/12/ ... -children/
*** Edgar Winter named by CoS as one of their celebrities on http://scientologist.blogspot.com/

The above list is only a small percentage of the acting and show-biz community. The newly merged Screen Actors Guild/AFTRA will have 150,000 actors world wide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Actors_Guild

CoS actors make up a poor percentage of noted actors:

IMdb Top 30 male actors under 30 has no Scientologists. http://www.imdb.com/list/bdbqM81gX8o/

Top male actors under 40 has no Scientologists, http://www.imdb.com/list/7O2gZ3Yx4NM/

Top male actors under 50 includes Tom Cruise and possibly-married-to-a-Scientologist Will Smith. http://www.imdb.com/list/QX018pOPtoU/ Cruise's 50th birthday this summer knocks him off THAT list.

Entertainment Weekly had the top 30 actresses under 30; none were Scientologists.
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,2017903 ... l#20415913

IMdb's Most Attractive Actresses Under 40 Top 100 had only Sarah Shahi, at http://www.imdb.com/list/LtkOkwJodNw/

Things I've been learning doing this research:
There are many people with the same name. There are lots of ladies over the years named Marjorie Dewsnap, for example. For really common names, there can be a number of people with the same name, born in the same year, in Los Angeles. This is why it is so important to get the birth year, the middle name or initial, and the spouse or parent or siblings.
(Many people without Ancestry.com's expensive subscription can get it at their local public library. My library even has Ancestry's Canadian and English records. Ask your librarian.)
Mylife.com and Ancestry's "Public Records" are great places to get birth year and city of residence. Prosperous Scientologists are often found in Clearwater or its northern fancy suburb, Palm Harbor, in Florida. In California, they are often found in Tujunga, Glendale, Studio City, Burbank, Los Feliz, North Hollywood, and plain old Los Angeles, all convenient for show biz and trips to the Celebrity Centre. Another cluster lives in Orange County near Tustin. Some have ritzy homes in Malibu or La Canada Flintridge. CoS musicians often live in Glendale or Laurel Canyon, Los Angeles. A person who lives in LA, then Clearwater, then back in LA is likely a Scientologist, so zero in on names in those places first.
Ancestry.com then can give California births and marriages. Florida doesn't have birth records on Ancestry.com; Luckily many Scientologists were born in California, though the records take years to get to Ancestry.
There are surprising spikes in years. For example, The late 1940's birthed a lot of money-making businessmen with financial scandals. 1971 had a lot of actresses.
The "I Am A Scientologist" pages from around 1978 have lots of useful information. "I am the mother of X children." " I have been married Y years." "I am Z years old."
Wikipedia is way out of date, and many of its sources have broken links. Even Tom Cruise's page still shows him owning part of United Artists. Wikipedia is more "interested" than IMDb in getting birth year or birth date and parents, but it is occasionally wrong.
Marriages between Scientologists and non_Scientologists have a very poor track record.
Lots of Los Angeles and Sea Org Scientologists have married in Las Vegas.
Musicians rarely give their birth year and parents, but happily give their birthplace.
Old Myspace pages are often publicly readable, with useful posts like "Happy Birthday."
Tweets are pretty revealing, too. Google "Jill Actress" + "new baby" for leads, and it may lead you to a Twitter page. I'm not listing the babies on this Spiderweb, just saying "child under 18."
If you want to look for girlfriends or boyfriends and can't find any text about them, use "Google Image" and that person's name in quotes. For example, Google-Image for "Erika Christensen" gave hundreds of photos with just her; therefore, no boyfriend.
If you are looking for marriages for say, a young woman named Jane Clear, just google "Jane Clear" + "wedding" and you may get her wedding registry and the name of her groom-to-be, and use further research to verify she is the right "Jane Clear."
Auditor Magazine lists births and other vital statistics. Cerridwen helpfully transcribed many of the magazines. To find them, Google "The Auditor Issue" + "Scientology" You'll find several hits by Cerridwen on "Google Groups." When you are finished with that page, click "Get More Discussion Results" to find many more Auditor Magazines.
When they die, Scientologists rarely have old-fashioned obituaries which list every parent, sibling, children and granchildren. I believe this is because so MANY of them have disconnected family members. However, many Scientologist's parents or grandparents were Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish, and those obituaries were very helpful. Ancestry.com has many obits, but others are freely available on the Internet. To see if "Joe Babyboomer" is named on an obit, Google "Joe Babyboomer" + "grandchildren," since an obit of "Joe Babyboomer's" parent would name Joe and usually several grandchildren.
In one case, Google found an older sister with useful info, from http://www.findagrave.com . That site focusses on gravestones, which deceased CoS members rarely use due to preference for cremation, so it mostly helps with non-Scientology relatives.
What's ironic is that this Spiderweb, if it persists long enough, will become a genealogical source for people just emerging from their Scientology bubble and not knowing the names of their own grandparents.
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Special note: I took out the names of the adult children that, despite the Scientology involvement of their parents, had no hits when you Google "their name" + Scientology.
I'm only giving a separate entry to those over-18 second-generation offspring that have their own career going. Those who haven't made a splash yet, but took or are taking CoS courses, will still be listed under their parents.
Anyone who really wants off the list, please tell me.

Juliette Lewis' brother Patrick is back in. From what I have gathered, he was disconnected for many years by the family and rejoined through NarcAnon and is active.

Hi, Tornado contest. Welcome to the board. Make one more post and you're free to post as you want.

It's striking how many actors/artists in Hollywood have been in Sea Org or who have family that has been (or is) in Sea Org. Yet they only had second-hand contact with L. Ron Hubbard himself. None of the Celebrity Spiderweb actors/artists was on the Apollo ship, as far as I know. After the Apollo days, Ron was in semi-hiding and then total hiding so it would have been hard to meet the celebrities that are still alive in 2012. Some of the older celebrities rubbed elbows with people like Yvonne Gillham Jentzsche (now deceased), founder of Celebrity Centre, who worked on the Apollo with LRH, and of course all ages had lots of chances to see Miscavige as a speaker, who was with LRH when he died. Dr. Denk treated LRH and was a doctor to Los Angeles public members, but is also now deceased. A few older Sea Org execs also knew celebrities AND had worked under Ron, but many of them are:
deceased, like Annie Broeker
out like Mike Rinder, or
virtually imprisoned in the RPF.
isolated from the public at Gold Base but not in the RPF.

LRH became a recluse around 1979*, so that anyone who trained under him before that, as an auditor or (rolls eyes) as a musician or filmmaker, say, age 13, would be 46 today. So there may be a few auditors today, aged 46 or older, in Sea Org who "knew LRH" and are still delivering services to wealthy Los Angeles public members. If anyone knows of any, please comment. http://antidianetics.wordpress.com/2010 ... 1911-1986/

So, the celebs are two degrees of separation from (1)Miscavige to (2) LRH. Even then, Miscavige has been friendly to only a select few, like Tom Cruise. Paying millions to stand on stage with him is hardly friendship. After Miscavige goes, it will be 3 degrees of separation for most celebrities. The celebs will know a person like (1) Anne Archer or Tommy Davis, who knew (2) Miscavige, who knew (3) LRH.

Perhaps more important than direct contact is enthusiasm among the public members. This is distinctly lacking these days. The latest anniversary balls have few celebrities. Those willing to actively promote CoS are a handful.
* http://antidianetics.wordpress.com/2010 ... 1911-1986/

Juliette doesn't have a brother named Patrick. Her 3 brothers are Lightfield, Peter & Matthew, and there's been no info showing that any of her brothers attended Narconon.

Beau Patrick is her half-brother through her mother 1945 Glennis Batley, whom I called a "prodigious mother" for having 11 kids by three different husbands.

Yup, you are correct. Beau's father is Charles Edward Coulon (age 72) from Shawnee, OK (where there is a Narconon center). Beau used to reside in New Orleans & Clearwater as well.

Here he is with his mother, Glennis, and young relative (relationship edited by mod).



https://www.facebook.com/beaupatrickcoulon