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 Post subject: ESMB
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:33 am 
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I get a 403 message when I try to access ESMB (You don't have permission to access / on this server.). Is the site down?

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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:41 am 
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Same for me. This has happened at least twice since the inception of ESMB. As I recall, both were server problems that took up to a week to solve. AFIK, this is NOT a permanent shutdown of ESMB. I HOPE this is not a permanent shutdown of ESMB.


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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:12 am 
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It's back up (for me).

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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:19 pm 
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It's working. Cancel the emergency.

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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:15 am 
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Something is wrong with the ESMB servers again. I am getting error messages and the messages saying that the ESMB database is not working.

Emma said that she will be retiring in Oct. Perhaps, this has something to do with her decision to step down.

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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:19 am 
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Demented LRH wrote:
Something is wrong with the ESMB servers again. I am getting error messages and the messages saying that the ESMB database is not working. Emma said that she will be retiring in Oct. Perhaps, this has something to do with her decision to step down.
Nope. I've been posting on the board all day.


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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:16 am 
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For a layperson like me, will someone please explain the difference between this message board and ESMB? I've been loyal to this board since I've been posting about two months ago, but I'm curious, is one better than the other for information, in your experience - is it most of the same people. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:22 am 
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I'm no expert on the differences, but I'll give an opinion. ESMB is considered a warm and supportive place for ex's to tell their stories, and give and receive advice on life outside the CofS. I think this board would be more analytical in nature. But both boards also cross over and are analytical and supportive at different times.


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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:27 am 
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whitesand wrote:
I'm no expert on the differences, but I'll give an opinion. ESMB is considered a warm and supportive place for ex's to tell their stories, and give and receive advice on life outside the CofS. I think this board would be more analytical in nature. But both boards also cross over and are analytical and supportive at different times.


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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:34 am 
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barbiedoll wrote:
For a layperson like me, will someone please explain the difference between this message board and ESMB? I've been loyal to this board since I've been posting about two months ago, but I'm curious, is one better than the other for information, in your experience - is it most of the same people. Thanks.
There was a period of time, before the current mods came on board, that there was no new registrations allowed here for over a year, so naturally, people went to ESMB where they could register & join.

There would likely be alot more people posting here if this board hadn't prohibited new registrations for a long period of time. ESMB, IMHO, is alot more user friendly than it is here, but I post to both boards.


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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:28 am 
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Barbie, I am (marginally) more active on ESMB than I am here, in part because the greater number of active participants just makes it seem a little livelier, and the consequently greater number and diversity of ideas helps me to think through issues I may still have with $cientology. I just seem to have greater insight as a consequence of participating there.

Something I never thought I'd see as a positive is the tolerance that ESMB has for indies, people who reject the "church" but adhere to LRH's ideas, and of course want to use the tech to improve their day to day lives. They provide counterpoint to my skepticism and occasionally give me food for thought, though I am in no danger of picking up the cans again.

I would characterize OCMB as more hardcore.


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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:00 pm 
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I still cannot reach ESMB which is rather strange. I do not have this problem with any other website.

There are practically no FreeZonres and Indies among the WWP members.

The number of OCMB Indies is small.

Probably, 1/3 of ESMB members are Scientologists not affiliated with CoS.
Debates between ESMB Scientoilogists and anti-Scientologists are common.

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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:40 am 
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I would say the main difference between OCMB and ESMB is that ESMB is more for ex-members. On ESMB people discuss old friends, the technology, family still in, how being in affected each person, etc etc etc. Some people there are not necessarily critics, they are just going through the process of leaving the organized church.

This board is more philosophical, and addresses the subject from a lay-person's point of view (not using much scieno-speak).

In its hay-day, this board was the place to come for information about Scientology. If someone was going to make an important announcement, it was made here. In the archives there are plenty of posts that were made by people who were among the first to find their way out of the church...and into this group of critics. The posts were shocking and eye-opening.

As the board grew, there was a mix of exes and never-beens, and that mix was uncomfortable for some. People who had never been in just didn't understand what it meant to leave the church.

So a poster here named itsaline/Emma started ESMB to give exes a place to decompress.

Simultaneously a few unfortunate things happened. First, there was a huge falling out with Anonymous, who had their own board (back then it was called enturbulation, now it's call whyweprotest. People here were given the name "OG" for Old Guard. Some of us didn't get the culture of Anonymous at first (e.g. "Anonymous is not your personal army," and "Pics and docs or it didn't happen.") Some anons thought the OG saw themselves as rockstars, whereas Anons didn't like personal credit or attention. Some anons got mad at some members here, and for several days spammed the board with porn and gore. Added to that was a massive, unrelated wave of spam (that continues to this day). And finally, the owner of this board who has generously kept it running for almost 20 years, wanted to do less day-to-day work maintaining it.

This is why registrations were closed for a long time. Mainly it was the spam, but the attacks also took a toll.

There is much more to this...this is just an outline basically. There have been lots of squabbles and disagreements. There have also been friendships, activism, and even shared joy(!). People have come and gone. I have personally met at least a dozen people who post here, including Andreas who came to California a few years back.

There isn't really any animosity between the boards, because they all serve a different purpose. I read ESMB all the time. I don't post much because I don't feel like I have much to say that is relevant, since I am not an ex.

I have a lot of friends on WWP, too. Many people on this board joined with Anonymous to protest the church, starting in 2008. We protested every month for over 3 years, and still do so, but less frequently, if the mood is right, and there's some reason.

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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:39 pm 
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I am in Manhattan Library now (Fifth Avenue), which is not far away from the place where I work. I am trying to log in to ESMB but nothing is happening.
Smurf does not have a log in problem, as he wrote, but I do. I wonder if someone else cannot reach ESMB. Perhaps, this problem is limited to the East Coast.

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 Post subject: Re: ESMB
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:21 pm 
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Demented LRH wrote:
I am in Manhattan Library now (Fifth Avenue), which is not far away from the place where I work. I am trying to log in to ESMB but nothing is happening. Smurf does not have a log in problem, as he wrote, but I do. I wonder if someone else cannot reach ESMB. Perhaps, this problem is limited to the East Coast.
PM me your user name on ESMB. I'll contact the admin to work it out. :-)


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