When you leave Scientology, you have to give up sloppy accusations, half-truths, and long-believed lies. This is hard but essential. The critics understand when you were in CoS, you had to lie. When you're out, do your research and tell the truth.

As if “victims” of black PR care what their enemies say about them…

If you are in Sea Org, the KR material, which is an equivalent of black PR, coupled with unsatisfactory stats, could send you to RPF. But in a real world all this black PR shit looks very immature to me. Mike the Spoiled Brat is still wearing Scientology diapers; it is impossible to take him seriously.

It's almost incredulous that people who suffered Black PR from Scientology albeit they feel unjustly(M&M's), they both feel free to do same to someone who already fought and suffered same themselves. Why? Cuz Jerry doesn't fall into the party line with them and buy LRH's teachings. I can't believe they don't see how or that they can justify "HOW" that's not the same as when DM does to them? Come on Indies, wake the hell up or you'll be next one day.

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I guess it's hard to give up that knowingness of LRH's superiority, even though LRH's superiority is just as spurious as the non-word "knowingness."

Thanks for this Peter.
I stopped going to Martyr's blog a while back because I was tired of vomiting in my own mouth at the sheer bullshit he puts forth.

Yes, HCOPL's excuses him because LRH wrote it.

Mark "Marty" Rathbun, you are beyond redemption. I wouldn't want to be you, for the simple fact that if there is a supreme being watching, you cannot imagine the despair and pain in store for you, for the pain and suffering you inflicted upon so many and accept no accountability/responsibility for.

See how you OTness can handle retribution. you scumbag.

I was hit by a car just under 2 weeks ago Martyr, and I tell you this......we (even LRH)have not an iota of what is really happening.

I only recently saw that video clip of Rinder and I was quite disgusted with his comments. I couldn't believe my ears. In my opinion, both Rinder and Rathbun firmly believe in black pr and disconnection. Like others have mentioned in this thread, they only left the "church" when the abuse was inflicted on them. Even though they've admitted some wrong doings, they both still have the cover up mind set. Everytime I've heard either of them admit abusing others or taking part of black PR'ing someone, it's always followed by the same words "As ordered by DM". I get it, how at the time, you're totally "IN" ,but I just wish,just ONCE, one of them would genuinely accept responsibility for their actions and show some remorse. I have a lot more respect for Gerry and Graham than these two anyday. It's quite obvious they have a personal vendetta against DM and not the crimes, pain and suffering the cult of $cn has and still is inflicting on others.I appreciate what they've revealed,but they are holding back way too much.