Ex-Scientologists (now they are wogs and SPs) and the wogs who never joined CoS do not think that Hubbard was Buddha in one of his past lives. But the Scientologists who read Hubbard’s idiotic poem, Hymn to Asia, believe that our cretin was the incarnation of Buddha.

In this article I am going to compare and contrast Scientology with Buddhism to show that they have very little in common. In fact, these doctrines have only one thing in common -- they ascertain that the past lives exist. But their similarities end right here.

1. A core Buddhist belief is that an individual after his/her death either goes to Heaven or finds himself in Hell or returns to the earth in a new physical body.
But “Hubbard the Buddha” wrote that Heaven and Hell do not exist.

"A sign on one (the left as you enter) says 'This is Heaven'. The right has a sign 'Hell' with an arrow and inside the grounds one can see the excavations like archaeological diggings with the raw terraces, that lead to 'Hell'. Plain wire fencing encloses the place. There is a sentry box beside and outside the right pillar. The roadway 'leading up' to the gates is deeply eroded. An effigy of Joseph, complete with desert clothing is seen approaching the gates (but not moving) leading a donkey which 'carries' the original Madonna and child from 'Bethlehem'. The implanting boxes lie on either side of this 'entering' path at path level."
“Further, we have our hands on an appalling bit of technology where the world is concerned. With rapidity and a Meter it can be shown that Heaven is a false dream and that the old religion was based on [a] very painful lie, a cynical betrayal."
HCOB, 11 May 1963

The above description of Heaven does not look like a Buddhist paradise to me.

2. Buddhist do not believe in existence of the soul. Their denial of the existence of souls is called the “no-atman doctrine” (the word “atman” means “soul” in Sanskrit). According to Buddha, only the mind and the physical body exist.

The term “physical body” has the same meaning in all languages.

The Buddhists see the mind as a conglomerate of two parts -- intelligence and memory.

The term “intelligence” has the same meaning in all languages.

For the Buddhists, the term “memory” designates the sum of all past experiences. This is a very interesting topic, but it has nothing to do with Scientology.

The words “souls”, “spirits” and “thetans” are, obviously, synonyms. As one can see, the Buddhists do not believe in existence of the thetans.

3. The most evil person in the history of our universe, Xenu, is not mentioned in the Buddhist literature. Apparently, when Hubbard was Buddha, the notion of Xenu eluded him.

4. Buddha said that the hypnotism has only a brief influence on a person. But this also means that the implants do not exist. Apparently, LRH the Incarnation of Buddha contradicted LRH the Buddha. Perhaps, Hubbard could not recall correctly his life as Buddha. What else did he recall incorrectly?

5. There is a disagreement among the Buddhist denominations about the origins of the Universe.

5A. Majority of the Buddhist denominations believe that the Universe always existed, which means that it does not have a creator.
This notion runs contrary to the “Scientology doctrine” which states that the thetans created the Universe.

5B. Several Buddhist denominations hold the view that the entity known as Adi-Buddha (primordial Buddha) created the Universe. The Adi-Buddha was not created by anyone, he always existed. Instead of saying that Adi-Buddha created everything, the Buddhists say that everything “emanates” from him. But the differences between “creation” and “emanation” are insignificant.

Obviously, the Adi-Buddha is not a thetan, but an entity similar to Judeo-Christian God.

The Adi-Buddha has several names; his widely used name is Vairadhara.

Was LRH the incarnation of Vairadhara? If he were, the Scientologists might as well call him God Jehovah! Perhaps, this is how he wanted to be called. Well, in this case he was not alone -- there were mentally ill people, including David Koresh, who believed that they are God.

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Although I was an atheist when I joined CoS in search of new Dianetics methods, I knew few basic things about Buddhism. Unfortunately, I learned that Hubbard proclaimed himself as Buddha after I left CoS. I wish I have read Hymn to Asia when I was a Scientologist -- that would have been enough to send me packing and leaving CoS in a hurry.

My advice to the current Scientologists is to acquire some knowledge about Buddhism. You do not need to learn it in depth, but you should educate yourselves about its basics; a good book on Buddhism history will do.

Then you will come to inevitable conclusion that the motherfucker whom you see as the mankind’s Savior was either a retarded piece of shit or a piece of shit who was a conman. Which one of the two he was is not terribly important. But seeing yourself smarter and morally higher than the Founder is your way out of the Scientology scam. You have been fed a pack of lies, and because of that your mind is not functioning the way it should. But you are not stupid -- some day you will leave Scientology behind.

Some day you will join the ranks of ex-Scientologists, I am sure of that.
May your recovery from the Scientology scam be fast. The real Buddha is on your side.

I really appreciate when someone does a Buddhist thread because I think Buddhism completely dismantles and exposes $cientology.

When Buddhist gurus teach they constantly reference previous Buddhist masters. They repeat teachings, and they expand on them, and they pay tribute.

L. Ron never references ANYONE from Buddhism EVER. There is a TOTAL OMISSION.

The only time Hubbard talked about anyone else, it was to talk shit about them.

He wrote "Hymn of Asia" which is a stupid poem that came out-of-nowhere claiming to be "Metraya" (Buddha Reincarnated) but you have to immediately juxtapose that with "Deliver an effective blow to your enemies" "Fair Game" "Always attack, never defend" "Make money, make more money"

In other words, there is no way anyone can reconcile $cientologist's militarism and greed with Buddhisms most basic tenet "Cause No Harm."

So I think that anyone who asserts $cientology resembles Buddhism clearly has never spent any time studying Buddhism.

Moreover, I think $cientologists need to be challenged on their glibness of Buddhism considering how so many head shaking whoppers in $cientology make you go "Are you sure this isn't the mafia?"

It's important to point out that there various Buddhist groups out there, and to say that the practice of Buddhism is not militant like Scientology, is a generalization. The Soka Gakkai movement is militant & cultic, and a far cry from traditional Buddhism.

Like Scientology, SGI has it's celebrity members, like Tina Turner & Patrick Duffy of "Dallas" fame. I still remember a TV interview with Duffy, after his parents were murdered during a robbery of the Montana tavern they owned, saying without a lick of sympathy that they brought their death onto themselves for running a bar, and that the murders was "karma".

http://peacefulturmoil.blogspot.com/200 ... akkai.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dka_Gakkai

The original Cult Awareness Network referred to SGI as a "destructive cult" and several ex-SGI were CAN members.

I am a practicing Buddhist. Actually I do believe LRH did steal ideas from quite a few places including Buddhism. Some of his axioms though stated in BlowHards terms about creating, going to the effect or being at cause etc ... do correspond with some teachings. Doing bad acts/overts and becoming PTS/karma but these are dumbed down, twisted into something he could use against people. Confessionals honestly come from Christian doctrines such as Catholicism and a few other Christian denominations hence the old saying 'confession is good for the soul'.

Yes, there are cults in almost any religions one knows about even in Buddhism which was a fact a kind soul and very educated Buddhist warned me about long ago. But so are there Christian Cults as many of you are aware of.

One thing I like about being Buddhist is we are encouraged to ask questions and find out if something is true for ourselves. At least the branch I practice. Scientology not only is one not allowed to question, one cannot even question DM's words actions. He's not LRH himself.

You have to be careful when one says Buddhist just believe there is just the mind and body, they have a great many names for the mind in Sanskrit with complex meanings foreign to us and also in other languages that don't precisely translate. They absolutely believe there are experiences beyond the physical body after death. That I can assure you.

One thing I told someone who was raised but never seriously practiced Scientology who believed some of it was good or useful was yeah there's stuff in it that makes sense or wouldn't be bad to use in theory. At the time I asked this person what he thought was beneficial about Scientology and they said "Ethics". I pointed out that ethics and morality were not LRH's unique ideas. To a very large degree it has been part of most religious doctrines and if you didn't want to go that route it was huge part of Socrates teachings. And I asked him what someone once asked me. Why would you just believe a single person's take on such matters when there are other sources one could study and decided for oneself including the originals? Most Buddhists I have met aren't hardcore fundamentalists. If you just want to take or use what is useful and practical in one's daily life or just mediate its great with them. Or one could just take some of the parts just as a philosophy as a way of life. Nor are they so arrogant to say theirs are the only way. In fact not only do they say don't drop good ideologies in former practices but encourage one to keep them if they are good.

Buddha himself warned about what he termed extreme beliefs and practices way long before LRH existed. He said the middle of the path is the best way to go. I find that almost commonsense advice.


Buddha is viewed more as a teacher, not worshiped precisely as a God figure as in other religions per say. He is honored, respected and points the guide marks with his teachings and example along the way to becoming a more enlightened being. The teachings and beliefs were stated a bit simply above and much is missing so to me it seemed a little misleading.

Bottom line for me, anything that constrains one's intellectual, emotional welfare and freedom should set off warning bells because I've stated this in other posts, to other ex'es or people curious about Scientology. Our intellectual freedom is the most precious gift we have. Scientology is the antithesis of that.

Every religion has its fringe, or extremist, denominations. Buddhism is not an exception from this rule. But the mainstream Buddhist denominations preach tolerance, which is not the case of Scientology.

Everyone please read Psuedo-Buddhism and Scientology at http://searchlight.iwarp.com/articles/P ... tology.htm

The Hymn of Asia (see thread A Question for those who have read the OT levels , at viewtopic.php?t=21414) , attributes the "flames about the noble head" to the artist Nicholas Roerich.

Buddhist Art News shows a Nicholas Roerich painting of a saintly horse rider with flames about his chest and head, bringing some sacred stone, at http://www.buddhistartnews.com/ban07/?tag=mongolia
It's possible the "flames about the noble head" came from this religious-fantasy painting, and were written somewhere, and Hubbard interpreted that, in his me-me-me thinking, as a flames=redhead=Hubbard=reincarnated Buddha.

One needs to go to the Pali Canon, a major Buddhist source document, not a gullible fantasist like Roerich, and not even the Encylopedia Brittanica, for important claims like being a reincarnation of Buddha. I skimmed a translated Canon and found nothing about red or golden hair or "the West."

IS Hymn of Asia a rip off of Light of Asia, 1879, by Edwin Arnold, ? Both were written by Westerners about Buddha. See http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/boo ... asia-1.htm . Light of Asia would have been kicking around theosophy and occult bookstores in mid-twentieth century America, along with Roerich's books and art. Hubbard's flat, simplistic, carnival-barker style in Hymn of Asia compares poorly to the lush, intelligent poem of Edwin Arnold. In fact, Hubbard's "poem" is merely a long commercial for Scientology.

Philosophically and morally, Ron could never be a reincarnation of Buddha. See Buddha was a skeptic who never tooted his own horn. L. Ron is no reincarnation of Buddha! at viewtopic.php?t=3799

I've read Hymn of Asia and that article, thanks DC for posting it. LOL, LRH also thought he was a war hero, a novelist(technically he was but imo a really lousy one), he also allegedly was said to practice occult with Jack Parsons(a roommate of his at the time) pre Scientology-Dianetics day. He's also made claims somewhere in his writings or lectures that Jesus was a pedo(ugh I hate even typing that) and all religions are an implants ... so how could he be Buddha in the first place if it was an implant ... and if it is truly a trap why did he write such a great poem about himself as Buddha and then coming back. The truth revealed, OT8, should be LRH is nothing but a flim flam man with an incredibly huge over-inflated ego and very possibly delusional and mentally ill. He died paranoid the government was out to get him with an anti-psychotic med in his ass screaming about body thetans. At least that is another rumor out there.

"Mr Hubbard, I served with Buddha, I knew Buddha, Buddha was a friend of mine. Mr Hubbard, you're no Buddha!"

Very interesting article, Don Carlo.

To my knowledge, there is no prediction in the vast Buddhist literature about the color of the future Buddha’s hair. But some historians and theologians believe that Jesus had red hair. Perhaps, Hubbard identified himself with Jesus as well. If he was crazy enough to think that he was Buddha, what would stop him from thinking that he was the Christ? After all, he believed that he is Satan!

Yes, my Scientology friends -- L. Ron Hubbard Junior said in one of his interviews that his father believed that he is Satan

Not only did L. Ron Jr. say his dad thought he was Satan, there's the OT 8 bulletin where he claims to be Lucifer. ....And I bet the 2 Douches, Mike and Marty, could verify this little tidbit instead of going around talking smack about people they fair gamed.

So, you have on one hand you have L. Ron claiming to be Satan/Lucifer and on the other he's claiming Buddha's reincarnation.

To me this explains why you hear stories of Fatboy screaming and frothing at the mouth about BTs before he stroked out.

I could give a rat's ass whether Hubbard thought he was Buddha, Satin or Charlie Sheen for that matter; let people believe whatever the hell they want to believe!

What is important though IS letting people know about disconnection, fair game, human trafficing and the other shenanigans the CofS is involved with and getting people to demand some indictments and seeing some of those schmucks like Miscavige, Davis. . . spend some time in the slammer.

If only it were that simple.

But alas, it is far from it, as "belief" seems to be a catalyst for the most inhumane treatment of others.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire

I wrote this article for the Scientologists.

When I was reading the Dianetics book, I came across this evaluation of Buddha’s abilities: Buddha was slightly above the Clear level. I was an atheist at that time who knew nothing about Scientology; I thought that Hubbard was a certified psychologist. “Why would a fellow atheist make such strange comparison?”, I thought.

Usually the Scientologists explain this awful assessment of Buddha’s abilities by saying that Hubbard the Buddha wrote Hymn to Asia after he had written Dianetics. Let’s assume for a moment that this explanation is correct. When did Hubbard finish writing Dianetics?

He claims that Dianetics procedures cured him from horrific wounds that he received during the World War II. The war ended in 1945. Let’s assume that Hubbard had self-audited himself in 1944, and right after that completed the Dianetics book.

In 1944 Hubbard was 33 years old. Jesus was crucified at that age! But Hubbard still did know at that age that he was Buddha!!

I do not know when Hubbard wrote Hymn to Asia. Perhaps, it happened on his 40-th birthday.

According to the Buddhist Scriptures, Buddha knew who he was since the day of his birth; there were miraculous events that preceded his birth and continued throughout his early childhood. Nothing of that sort happened before Hubbard’s birth; he was born on a regular unremarkable day.

More importantly, Buddha said that someone of his calibre is destined to become a historic/religious figure. Indeed, Buddhism is one of the major world religions. But Scientology is a small group not known to the world. Hubbard the Buddha died in obscurity, no one was saved during his life and after his death.

Scientology is an invention of a sick and twisted mind that has no relation to real world. Scientologists are trapped in the world of Hubbard’s nightmares with its nonexistent villain, Xenu and his minions. Time has come to wake from this nightmare and return to the normal world.

The only way to preserve your sanity is to leave the Scientology cult. Do not let Hubbard drag you down to his insanity abyss.

Jefe...It is interesting that you bring up Sheen, after all he of the Winning mode does compare well to those deluded members of the cult. For all of the failure and damage he was engaged in he still felt that he was indeed winning, much like the victims in this cult who leave the organized church, but still see the value in the practice. eLwRONg thought he was buddha, satan, god, Godzilla, you name it, but those who think they are on top dont see the contradictions nor will they care about disconnection, fair game, etc.

I know very little about Buddhism, but it is obvious to me that the "effect" of the two ways is very different. My impression is that a Buddhist would be happy to effect positive change in his/her environment in an organic way.
And a Scientologist is taught to coerce, smash and grab or infiltrate, make it go right.