A Call for Reformation of the Church of SCN

[programmer_guy]

1. All statements made in writings of L. Ron Hubbard, or any other
similar statements in Scientology publications, that Scientology is a
science shall be regarded as false until proven otherwise. A public
statement by the Church of Scientology shall be made in retraction of
all such previous claims, whether explicit or implied.

2. All statements made in writings of L. Ron Hubbard, or any other
similar statements in Scientology publications, that any of Scientology
practices or "processes" cure any physical or mental maladies shall
be regarded as false until proven otherwise. A public statement by
the Church of Scientology shall be made in retraction of all such
previous claims, whether explicit or implied.

3. Any and all statements, theories, and "processes" of Scientology
shall be regarded as open to free debate and even disagreement, in
private or public forums, without consequent harrassment from the
Church of Scientology or its related organizations or agents.

4. The Church of Scientology shall abolish The Rehabilitation Project
Force nor reinstitute it under another name.

5. The Church of Scientology shall abolish the "Disconnection" policies
nor reinstitute them under another name.

6. The Church of Scientology shall abolish the practice of
"Suppressive Person" declarations nor reinstitute it under another name.

7. The Church of Scientology shall prohibit enforced abortions of
pre-born children by its staff or agents.

8. The various organizations of the Church of Scientology shall pay
wages or salaries that are commensurate with the laws of the nation,
state, or province in which they are located.

9. The Church of Scientology shall cease and desist from infiltration
of local police departments that is done to influence selective application
of the law to its critics and to garner special favor to themselves. To do
otherwise is a perversion of proper and good government.

10. The Church of Scientology shall cease and desist from privately
imprisoning any staff or public for any pretence whatsoever, even if individual
staff or public is willing to submit to this.

11. The Church of Scientology shall cease and desist from claiming or
implying that their Operating Thetan levels of auditing or training will
embue a practioner with supernatural abilities.

12. The Church of Scientology shall prohibit its members or any agents
from committing criminal acts (even petty acts of vandalism) against anyone,
especially, but not limited to, those who criticize or disagree with its teachings
or practices. The Church of Scientology shall permit the right of free speech
without repercussions.

13. The Church of Scientology shall stop publishing or promoting false
statements about the life history of L. Ron Hubbard.

14. It is not the critics of the Church of Scientology, nor the public at
large, that needs to adjust their attitudes about the Church of Scientology;
it is the Church of Scientology that needs to change their attitudes about
their critics and the public at large.


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codo ergo sum.

[programmer_guy]

Care to add to this list? Don't make it weird, just make it sound professional.


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codo ergo sum.

[programmer_guy]

I started this in the spirit of Martin Luther.
(That should be obvious.)

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codo ergo sum.

[barky]

How about:

15. The Church of Scientology shall cease acting like a for-profit business and begin acting like a true religious institution under the spirit and intent of the laws regarding not only the separation of Church and State but also the sections of the tax code regarding 501(c) Corporations. The Church shall also provide full disclosure regarding settlements with the IRS and any favors obtained therefrom.

16. The Church shall restructure itself into a standard framework and shall not use shadow organizations and special practices to hide a true accounting of its finances from its members.


Barky

[programmer_guy]

Excellent!

I would really like even more input from all of you.


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codo ergo sum.

[magoo1]

You sort of touched on this, but I think this should still be said, as it's a bit different than one which has to do with auditing:

17. The C of S shall cease and desist practicing any and ALL medical malpractice activities, including the covert implication that people who need medication should not, or are degraded for needing such.
Also, ANY interruption of medical treatments should be completely halted.

Tory/Magoo~
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[magoo1]

PS: Good list, PG

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[magoo1]

18: The organization known as The Church of Scientology shall cease and desist stopping their members from practicing free thought, and free speech, which are actually part of their own Codes, although continuously altered to stop these freedoms.

Tory/Magoo~~
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In for 30+/Escaped out in 2000
Declared SP (SP 6^with Cumulative Cluster)
Free at LAST!

Burbank, CA
http//www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
(818) 841-3632

[Sarah]

Martin Luther worked to Reform the Catholic Church from within. When he didn't succeed he started a new Christian Church. He remained a Christian to his dead.

Who do you suggest should try institute the reforms in CofS?

Or are you planning to start a reformed Church of Scientology?

Sarah

[programmer_guy]

Do you remember when we did the info pack?

I was thinking that we could collaborate on
this also. (And make it a good one.)

I started this thread thinking that we could
make this statement of desired reformation that
could be another contribution to the info on
this website.

I wanted this to be another contribution that
others (lurkers and surfers) would see.

No? Yes? Do you know what I am talking about?


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codo ergo sum.

[programmer_guy]

Sarah,

No. I don't really expect CofS to reform from within. But I really think it is VERY important that we state EXACTLY what our beef is. And edit it, and refine it to some degree (not going overboard about it).

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codo ergo sum.

[woogy]

PG, Sarah
PG - very constructive!

Sarah, hello

I understood PGs vwd work, completly different. I see it as an attempt, of saving the belief, which is behind that terrible organization, for those who joined CofS in a search for spiritual home. They have thought, that they have found it, but all what they got, was a big fraud. Their idealism was abused. One can abuse a person in so many ways, the abuse of mind is within the worst. It is to me a rape of the soul. It should be punished like I don't know what- And the people now hang in this criminal organization and think, they do their belief wrong all the time. I cannot start this, I am becoming too angry.

I think, there should not be any backholded contents of that church. I mean, they should have to publish the complete content of their faith officially. No secrecy anymore for religions! (could that be a point? Or has PG that fixed already, if not, I would like to ask PG to put it on the list, I can't check it right now, due to my programm, which will forget what I've written).

PG, as I understood him, is looking for any way out of the dilemma, in which we critics (I am a wog btw and not attracted by the content of the CofS faith) are:

Freedom of belief must be guaranted in our wog world!

We critics must clearly state out the goals we have.

This is, what the true critics of CofS lack a bit, as I have found out. Not their fault, but maybe the effect of one or the other strategy of that awful organization. Please check Senior Nec's - sorry Nec, but that Senior-worrying postings were toooooo sweet, and I can understand you so well!! - Scienoborg/Wog Dictionary. There is this "third party" thing and we true critics should not allow ourselves to fall into that trap.

PGs posting is maybe in your eyes just an initial stage statement, but I say, a very strong and powerful one! That is constructive criticism, IMHO.

I hope, you will at least in one or the other point agree with me, Sarah?

Have a nice day, OCMBers


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"Woogy...You are covert and malicious canal slime... You are a filthy and diseased OSA whore" (J. Swift, 13 Nov 2005 21:36)
"One tactic they use ... is to accuse the critic ... of their own beingness and doingness."(Truth Seeker)

[programmer_guy]

Tory,

Someone like you (or Chuck or Dan) would be someone that I would want to spill their guts about this sort of thing (reformation). I would like you long-time people to just spill it out... then I would like to categorize it and rewrite it... and then see what you would think about it.

Is that okay?


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[programmer_guy]

moody woogy.

"PG, as I understood hall.im, is looking for any way out of the dilemma, ..."

I think that we have a language/understanding problem. I know about this because I have to deal with this at work quite often.

I have NO dilemma at all. I desire to send a clear message to the Church of Scientology about what is wrong with them. Now do you understand me?

Best regards

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[woogy]

I've posted something else and in my browser it looks ok. I try it again:

"PG, as I understood him, is looking for any way out of the dilemma, in which we critics (I am a wog btw and not attracted by the content of the CofS faith) are:

Freedom of belief must be guaranted in our wog world!

We critics must clearly state out the goals we have."
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:moody:woogy:
"Woogy...You are covert and malicious canal slime... You are a filthy and diseased OSA whore" (J. Swift, 13 Nov 2005 21:36)
"One tactic they use ... is to accuse the critic ... of their own beingness and doingness."(Truth Seeker)