Does Scientology Lead to Demonic Possession?

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Does Scientology Lead to Demonic Possession?

Post by J. Swift » Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:11 pm

Summary of This Thread:

In Scientology, people are called "thetans." A thetan is a spirit. In Scientology, a human is considered to be a thetan who is occupying a "meat body." The goal of the Scientology OT levels is for the thetan to live "exterior" to his or her body.

But what happens when a thetan is not inside of their body? Can that body be taken over by a malevolent entity who desires to live in the warm embrace of human flesh?

Many Magickal grimories, or textbooks, warn us that the spirits crave bodies and bodily sensations. This is why Magick teaches its practitioners to lock pentagrams, banish spirits, and cleanse rooms and spaces. In Magick, one is taught to control and inhabit their body. If one astral projects, they are taught how to guard the body and the silver cord that keeps them connected to their body.

Despite these precautions, L. Ron Hubbard's system of Scientology is designed to get people out of their bodies and keep them out. This is suspicious and suggests to me that the practice of Scientology at its upper OT Levels could lead to demonic possession. I will examine this subject n this thread and quote from LRH to establish my argument.


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A reading of LRH in his Technical Dictionary, 1978 Edition, shockingly revealed to me that Thetans are dead. These definitions have been removed from the new Tech Dictionary because DM is altering Ron's original work.

We first look at two definitions of Thetan, which word is defined on pp. 431 and 432:

Thetan: def 2) the awareness of awareness unit which has potentialities but no mass, no wave-length, and no location (HCOB 3 Jul 59)

Thetan: def 4) (spirit) is described in Scn as having no mass, no wave-length, no energy and no time or location in space....


Now we look at two of LRH's definitions for zero on p. 481

zero, the proper and correct definition of zero would be: something which had no mass, which had no wave-length, which had no location in space, which had no position or relationship in time... (Dn 55! p. 28)

zero, zero on the tone scale is equivalent to death. An individual with a zero tone would be dead. (DTOT, p. 59)


My theory is that L. Ronald Hubbard introduced these two words into his Technical Dictionary to embed a frightening conclusion: Thetans are dead, they are at zero. As one becomes a Thetan, they audit out all false beingnesses, false purposes, and false identities. The are aware of awareness, but, as we harmonize the defintions of Thetan and zero, Hubbard gives up his secret: To be a Thetan is to be dead, it is to be zero.

This is quite possibly the necessary precondition for an OT to be sent to Trementina: They have died, they are zero, and they have exteriorized just as Hubbard promised. Now there is a living human body ready for theta possession by an alien entity.

I can only conclude that an OT either blows or dies: They either decide to survive and so they blow, or they go to zero and die, they cease to exist as a being.

Once an OT goes to zero and fully exteriorizes, their body is an empty shell suitable for possession by another entity. The obverse function of exteriorization would be interiorization, in which case, another entity would go interior into the unoccupied body of an OT who has exteriorized and gone to zero. After all, a Bridge allows for two-way traffic, yes?

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I posit that in some other dimension there are non-human entities who are working at the Level Above OT. Their goal is the obverse of OT: They want to go interior and enter a human body. The non-human entity would telepathically audit an OT and begin to neurally map the OT. The non-human entity, or entities, also work to systematically and telepathically deconstruct the psyche and being of a Clear or an OT.

These entities do so by first erecting and embedding the "neural-psychic scaffolding" (hereinafter NP scaffolding) of LRH's teaching into the Scientologist's brain and beingness. The NP scaffolding is needed to support the psychic illusion that the Scientologist is attaining Clear or OT. There has to be NP scaffolding in place to replace the Scientologist's actual identity as it is systematically broken up by the non-human entity (or entities, as there are assistants). The NP scaffolding replaces the old pieces of identity that are erased and creates an illusion of a new being emerging: The artifice of the NP scaffolding serves as the illusion of an emerging Clear or OT Homo Novis. To this point, LRH had to posit Homo Novis in order to create the apparency of a new and higher level of man. This new order of man is unknown and so whatever the Clear or OT experienced could be explained as an evolutionary ascent to 40.0 and not a destructive descent to zero.

The NP scaffolding is put in place by gradients and so serves as net that will catch the Clear or OT when they fall. The NP scaffolding is invisible and is made, in part, from the Scientologist's belief in L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology's insistence that anything that goes wrong is the fault of the Scientologist.

It is important to note a synonym for the NP scaffolding: It can also be called a Bridge. The NP scaffolding is a Bridge that is used to allow the Scientologist, over time and by gradients, to exit their body and for the non-human entity to enter. Hubbard's "science" was the science of a Black Magician. LRH applied engineering, electronic, and computational terms to the mechanics of spirit possession in order to conceal his true aims. What LRH called auditing and processing is an ancient Black Art updated for the 1950's.

At the lower levels, LRH engineered wins and self-improvement into the NP scaffolding. But what is "self improvement" in Scientology except the making of a better Scientologist, a being more willing and able to surrender his will to Hubbard's will and the will of Scientology?

What is lost almost immediately in Scientology is one's will. This is ironic because Scientology teaches that one becomes self-determined and pan-determined even as they are heading to zero, to a state in which they have no, "no mass, no wave-length, no location in space, no position or relationship in time," per LRH's definition of a Thetan.

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When the Scientologist feels the loss of self, the NP scaffolding serves as a neural-psychic counterweight that compensates for the Scientologists loss of self. LRH's teaching defines the loss of self as a positive event and proof of progress, this although the Clear or OT feels like hell and is filled with doubts and fears.

The OT believes that he or she is auditing out BT's, and yet what is happening is the non-human entity is telepathically posing as BT's in order to get the OT to systematically assist in destroying their own neural and psychic structures that keep them embedded in the body and psychically anchored as a being.

This happens to a lesser extent with pc's and Clears as a non-human entity begins to silently and patiently groom them for possession by stripping away "engrams." Auditing out engrams is simply low level deconstruction of self. The pc levels are preparatory levels
and processes in which non-human entities can run various diagnostics and mapping on the Scientologist in order to optimize a program for full exteriorization. The pc levels are also those levels in which the beginnings of the NP scaffolding are erected.

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The use of the low level current of the E-Meter in a pc allows for non-human entities to map a pc's brain while simultaneously triggering an endorphin release in order to induce euphoria while concealing the mapping and initial deconstruction work. The initial deconstruction work on a pc would focus on eliminating any resistance to Scientology while focusing the pc's will solely on going up the Bridge. The use of addictive endorphins programs the pc's brain to become dependent upon auditing and Scientology. The increasing social isolation of the pc is also effected as the pc increasingly minimizes or ceases contact with non-Scientologist family and friends.

The low level current of the E-Meter also provides the needed power for the non-human entities to embed the NP scaffolding into the actual neurons and tissue of the brain centers and nervous system. The the low level current of the E-Meter acts as a welding torch that is used to weld the NP scaffolding into the brain tissue.

Why does Scientology not want the deceased bodies of Scientologists autopsied? Why does Scientology favor cremation? Is it to prevent brain scans or investigational work into the brains of deceased Scientologists?

The Ghetto of Scientology

Scientology is a ghetto. It is a world unto itself where almost everyone who lives therein is broke, in debt, and has little or no contact with the outside world. A Scientologist, especially SO, can spend years in the ghetto without ever seeing their family on the outside. At some point, some Scientologists could disappear to, say, Gold or Trementina, and never be seen or heard from again until their family is informed that the Scientologist has died and will be cremated and scattered by the Church per their wishes.

Like most ghettos, the Scientology ghetto is run by crime bosses who become rich by peddling drugs to the people in the ghetto, in this case, the electronic opium delivered by the E-Meter. The crime bosses have enforcers, hoodlums, who maintain order. In the Scientology ghetto, the enforcers are Sea Org and Ethics Officers. All businesses in the Scientology ghetto have to pay for protection, in this case they pay protection to WISE.

Outsiders are not welcome into the Scientology ghetto. Anyone outsider who comes in and starts asking questions gets a visit from OSA or some OSA hired thugs. The crime bosses have a good thing going and they will break some kneecaps if someone gets nosy. Likewise with squirrels who want to cut into Scientology's racket: They too will get a visit from the OSA goon squad as well as a lawsuit from the syndicate's lawyers.

Prostitution goes on in ghettos and is very profitable. In my schema, the crime bosses of Scientology are pimping bodies to non-human entities. The crime lies in the fact that the victim is paying everything they have in hope of obtaining the promised spiritual liberation when in fact they are heading into death, for the logical conclusion of Scientology processing is, in the words of LRH, a person who has, "no mass, no wave-length, no energy and no time or location in space." In other words, death is the EP of OT.

However, near the very end of OT, a Scientologist's will to survive may override everything. In this case, the neural scaffolding of Scientology will catastrophically collapse during a spiritual crisis of significant magnitude. The scaffolding is designed to collapse in such a way that it propagates the cognition that, "Scientology is all a lie" back into the neural network. Simultaneous to the cognition that, "Scientology is all a lie," the Scientologist is Declared, for the cognition is a coded signal to crime bosses to Declare any person who has the cognition.

To cognite that, "Scientology is all a lie" is a feedback loop engineered into the scam. Scientology would rather have former Scientologists and the public think that it is all a lie and a scam that to suspect its true purposes of providing empty human bodies to aliens.

Life in the Ghetto of Scientology is tough and then you die, and some Scientologists have apparently died before their bodies died.

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When an OT, or even a Clear, freewheels it means that that the non-human entity has destabilized the OT or Clear by too quickly erasing a critical junction in the OT's neural network. This causes a "ripple current" in which a cascade of identities and ideas upline in the network cascade downline too quickly. This is why LRH warns against overrunning a process.

When an OT, or even a Clear, has a psych break it means that the non-human entity has destabilized the OT by prematurely destroying an anchor point. This causes an "Psychic Avalanche" in which some substantial bulk of the OT's being and identity suddenly and catastrophically breaks apart and roars downline into the neural network utterly destabilizing the OT as a being. This is why RTC imprisons OT's, or any other Scientologist, who experiences a psych break.

The Introspection Rundown allows Scientology to hide its disasters within Flag or some other safe location. A psych break is a Scientologist in a full blown meltdown and the Introspection Rundown is a containment vessel that does not allow the rapidly disintegrating Scientologist to contaminate other Scientologists, which would happen if the Scientologist were simply seen by others.

A Scientologist who has had a psych break, or what I call a Psychic Avalanche, may well have seen the other dimension, which is the terminus of Scientology. In such a case where the Scientologist is unprepared, key anchor points will be forcefully destroyed. The Scientologist is "blown away" and may even die. It may even be desirable to Scientology to have them die -- especially if the person had a look at the other side before a key anchor point blew and the Psychic Avalanche began. Witness the way in which Lisa Mc Pherson's psyche unwound when she saw something that was frightening enough to trigger a Psychic Avalanche:
"I can't confront force. I am dramatizing it."

"I created time 3 billion years ago and now I am dramatizing it. . . ."

"I am LRH [L. Ron Hubbard] and I didn't confront it because I didn't confront that power."

Right out of Hubbard's teachings. Hubbard taught that 'time' was somehow 'the sole source of aberration,' I guess because without time, things, including bad mental or emotional states, wouldn't persist In order to suffer from something, one had to at some point in the past have created it, at least for oneself. Later on, having become unaware of an earlier creation, one could involuntarily 'dramatize' it through the influence of one's own reactive mind or the reactive minds of others. In auditing, Scientologists search endlessly for the past life inceptions of their 'aberrations,' (mental barriers) hoping that by viewing these points, the barriers will vanish and they will return to Scientology's promised state of god-like ability, invulnerability and serenity. Again, the statement would have made sense to anyone trained in Scientology.

ref:http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/lisa_mcpherson/

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RTC emphasizes making Scientologists word clear and clay demo in order to strengthen the NP scaffolding so that is there an explanatory function for the Scientologist to fall back upon when some part of the self has just been destroyed and irretrievably lost. This is the sense of, "I will never be the same way ever again" and needs to be counterweighted with the statement, "This is a waypoint on the way to OT because Ron said so." This is where Scientology camouflages its destruction and annihilation as, "Progress up the Bridge."

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Any failures in the process result in the Scientologist either blowing, being Declared, or both. There is no middle ground in Scientology and no Q&A is allowed. Q&A cannot ever be allowed or tolerate. Unlike the great traditions of spirituality and science that demand free and open questioning and investigation, Scientology is an intellectual and spiritual ghetto whose crime bosses punish anyone who gets nosy.

Hubbard wanted a lot of things: Your money, secrets, time, home, your family, and your soul, and the souls of your family. He wanted everything and gave nothing in return. The only time that Scientology is ever nice to anyone is when they wander into the ghetto and think that they might want to become a Scientologist. In this case, Hubbard gives clear instructions on body routing them:

When the prospect comes in, see him or her at once (no waiting). Be courteous, friendly, businesslike. Rise when they enter and leave. Call Reception to show them out if they stay too long. Be willing to take their money. Always prefer cash to notes. We are not a credit company. Always see the student or the 'pre-clear' before they leave the place after service. You can often sell more training or processing. It is a maxim that unless you have bodies you have no income. So on any pretext get bodies in the place, and provide ingress to the Registrar when they're there.


I think it no accident that Hubbard used the term "body routing" for Scientology appears to be ultimately, and secretly, all about routing bodies into Orgs and then routing Scientologists out of their bodies so that they are at zero on the Tone Scale:

Thetan: def 2) the awareness of awareness unit which has potentialities but no mass, no wave-length, and no location (HCOB 3 Jul 59)

Thetan: def 4) (spirit) is described in Scn as having no mass, no wave-length, no energy and no time or location in space....

zero, the proper and correct definition of zero would be: something which had no mass, which had no wave-length, which had no location in space, which had no position or relationship in time... (Dn 55! p. 28)

zero, zero on the tone scale is equivalent to death. An individual with a zero tone would be dead. (DTOT, p. 59)

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Post by radieux » Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:43 pm

How do you accommodate the extended lower tones that Hubbard introduced later? The tone range of 0 to 4.0 is what's observable with the naked eye and manifests itself on this plane, as I understood it.

That is to say, a tone of 0.0 is death of the BODY and only the body, as the thetan is supposed to be eternal.

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Post by ntheta » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:04 pm

I'm curious. How did L. Ron handle this paradox, or did he?

We are thetans, OK. We are possessed by clusters of other thetans, OK. Now, is each thetan in each of those clusters possessed by other clusters of thetans themselves, and if so, what about those thetan's thetans? i.e. Exponential and infinite thetans? Or, are the thetans in the thetan-clusters that posses us actually thetan-free thetans? If so, wouldn't it be better to be a thetan-free thetan possessing another thetan than to be a thetan posssessed by thetan-free thetans?

I really need to understand this!

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Post by StormBringer » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:19 pm

Swift you have presented us with two things in your post.

First, You have shone that LRH had little idea of what he was writting from one time to another. He used what ever sounded good at the moment and wrote it down.

Second I believe you have put more thought and reasoning into making LRH philosophy work in the real world then LRH ever did.

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Post by J. Swift » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:26 pm

L. Ronald Hubbard's "applied religious philosophy" is not internally coherent in many places and it often at odds with itself. IMO, Hubbard does this deliberately in some places to send a hidden messages: A thetan is zero is dead. In other places, LRH was probably on pinks and grays and babbling into a tape recorder. That DM just did a massive reissue of LRH basic books tells us how COB RTC sees the old writings of LRH that have now been banned due to "alterations" by mysterious "transcriptionists" who seemed to have pulled the wool over COB RTC's eyes for two decades.

One example of LRH's hidden meanings and mistakes is this matter of clustering of BT's. Look at this LRH definition:

One With The Universe , one of the control mechanisms which has been used on thetans is that when they rise in potential they are led to believe themselves one with the universe. This is distinctly untrue. Thetans are individuals. They do not as they rise up the scale, merge with other individualities (Scn-8008, p.25)[b] ref: op. cit.


Here LRH is emphatic that, "Thetans are individuals. They do not... merge with other individualities." So how can it be the case that BT's can attach themselves to Thetans if Hubbard has ruled out the possibility of "other individualities" merging with Thetans?

LRH defines a Thetan as having, "no mass, no wave-length, no energy and no time or location in space.... " So a Thetan has no location in time or space according to LRH. However, LRH then contradicts himself by localizing Body Thetan's to the bodies of humans. How can this be the case if Thetans have no location in time or space and if Thetans cannot merge with other individualities? As I read Hubbard, it would be logically impossible for BT's to merge with a human being or to even be present in spacetime.

If a Thetan has, "no time or location in space" then Thetans should logically be discontinuous with the spacetime continuum. Thetans should not be here in spacetime.

Hubbard tries to get around this by positing a physical body and then localizing a Thetan in a physical body. However, Ronald cannot have it both ways. If a Thetan has, "no time or location in space," then it is logically impossible for a Thetan to appear in spacetime as this would violate the conditions that LRH defined for a Thetan. So many people have shown so many inconsistencies and errors in Hubbard's work that what my observations here only add to the scrap heap.

Still, that $166 million dollar fortress out in Trementina bothers me. That is why I have postulated a "Level Above OT" and theta possession as one of the EP's of OT. I could be completely incorrect, but I do think that there is something occult, extraterrestrial, and deranged at the top of OT.

There are ghosts in the attic of Scientology.

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LRH's denial that a person can become one with the universe is contrary to the consistent testimony of spiritual adepts in all ages. The gurus and great teachers all testify of the realization of unity with God, or the universe, while yet being functionally differentiated by the temporal body mind. LRH wants to keep a person alienated and cut off from the Source and Condition from which all phenomenal existence arises, and that is the universe or God.

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Post by StormBringer » Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:19 pm

Swift ever read Orson Scott Card's book. He has a series call Alvin Maker. The first one I have read is his 6th book called The Crystal City. Alvin maker has the ability to control the physical universe in certian degrees. I think Card does a good job with describing what OT think they should be able to do.

I will have to spend some time looking for the rest of the books at the libraries that I go to.

Back in high school I started to write the Physics of Magic. It was going to be an article I was going to submit to Dragon Magazine. I tried to rationalize how magic worked in the worlds of Dungons and Dragons. I never got very far but it was an interesting mental exersize.

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Post by rawl » Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:40 pm

I always thought Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land was a quasi-parody of Scientology - in fact given that RAH was a loose friend of LRH, I think the Jubal Harshaw character in Stranger was directly based on LRH - and certainly Michael Valentine Smith exhibits OT powerz ;)

Swifty, I think you're a bit off with this hypothesis, it's a kind of dog is god spelled backwards observation that is only truly COSMIC when you're having a drunken conversation with friends

Still, keep pushin'

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Post by xenusuncle » Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:59 am

Very industrious thinking J. Kudos to you (again).

You wrote: "It is important to note a synonym for the NP scaffolding: It can also be called a Bridge. The NP scaffolding is a Bridge that is used to allow the Scientologist, over time and by gradients, to exit their body and for the non-human entity to enter."

My question is along the lines of this: If a non-human entity wanted to enter into a human form, what would be the motivation, or reward, in entering into a human form that is living under an oppressive regime, ran by a seeming egomaniac, dieting (quite possibly) on rice and beans, being socially disconnected from the most common of human-culture, being financially in debt or in total ruin, and otherwise confined to a body that has it's human existance in a most unpleasant, if not miserable condition?

If such an (inhabitable) human-body scenario is indeed "better" than what a non-human entity has going for itself (prior to its new habitation) then being a non-human entity must really really suck. So to speak.

On the other hand, I am reminded of the near countless examples of human beings whom were convicted of a crime wherein the death penalty was an option, that literally begged the court to spare their life, and allow them to live out the balance of their human life in a prison cell.

So maybe *any experience* of physical being is better than being a mere awareness of the possibilities of it (whilst being a big fat physical zero)?


Who knows, I do admire your creativity though, J. Thanks for the post.

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Post by barky » Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:07 am

Wow, Swiftie, that's some pretty good logic! I likes your post very much!


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Post by J. Swift » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:11 am

"What will the social order of the future be like? ... I will tell you. There will be a class of overlords, after them the rank and file... in hierarchical order, and then the great mass of anonymous followers, servants and workers in perpetuity, and beneath them again all the conquered.... And over and above all these will reign a new and exalted nobility of whom I cannot speak. But of all these plans the militant members will know nothing. The new man is living amongst us now! He is here. Isn't that enough for you? I will tell you a secret. I have seen the new man. He is intrepid and cruel. I was afraid of him."
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Swifty, I think you're a bit off with this hypothesis, it's a kind of dog is god spelled backwards observation that is only truly COSMIC when you're having a drunken conversation with friends

Rawl, I'm sure it would seem this way to a Scientologist who isn't quite prepared to open the door to all possibilities. Still, I am very glad that you are here. Please allow me to explain the elements of my hypothesis. This is all purely speculative in nature. Think of it as an alternative history.

One has had to have studied and followed ufology and WWII for much of what I am saying to make sense, but I can quickly connect some dots in a hypothesis:

1. Germany falls in 1945 and the OSS (CIA) captures Nazi rockets and data, occult research papers, evidence of contact with extraterrestrials, and prototype German Tesla weapons and devices. Hitler's Reich was based on the occult, which informed Nazi ideology:*
http://www.livingstonemusic.net/hitlerandtheoccult.htm

2. Jack Parsons is CIA and evaluates the rocket data at JPL. He is also selected by the CIA to evaluate Himmler's occult studies. There is evidence is these docs that Hitler was in fact possessed via his association with Dietrich Eckart, the leader of the Thule Society and one of the most powerful occultists in the world at the time.

3. The CIA tasks Parsons to develop a way to experiment on some small sector of the US Public using these occult techniques. The CIA also wants to experiment widely on the US public using and Goebbels' mass-persuasion techniques, just as it would experiment with LSD in the 1960's. The mass-persuasion techniques are given to the radio networks and later the television networks in secret deals.

4. The CIA wants to use an expendable surrogate for the occult techniques experiments. Parsons meets Hubbard in 1945. Hubbard is then suicidal, has an ulcer, is broke, and has a name as a SciFi writer. LRH is also occultic. It is obvious to Parsons that Hubbard is an amoral opportunist who will do anything to get back into the money and the limelight. Parsons begins to groom LRH via the OTO. LRH never knows, and will never know, the roots of what will become Scientology.

5. In the period 1945 - 1950 LRH undergoes a profound personality change based on Parson using secret occult techniques on him. Parsons also uses surrogates to leak data to Ron, which he knows Ron will plagarise.

6. The US Gov't first contacts extraterrestrial races in 1944-45 via Parsons and others.

7. LRH is possessed in 1947 in New Mexico. Hubbard's is an "intermittent possession" in which the possessing entity allows Hubbard to work and act in a normal manner. However, when required, the entity comes forth and takes over Hubbard. This entity seeks human bodies for his colleagues. LRH promises to serve the entity, and, in exchange for wealth and power, LRH promises to deliver up fully prepared bodies. Hubbard gets his first taste of real occult power in 1947 - 1949. Despite all of Parson's help, Hubbard majorly screws over Parsons.

8. The actual origins of Dianetics is shrouded in mystery. There is no A to B showing how Hubbard developed auditing or the techniques. He did not do 280 case studies as he claims in Dianetics. It was all shown to him by the entity and by Parsons. Despite all of Parson's help, Hubbard still majorly screws over Parsons.

9. Dianetics is released as a book and gets much bigger much faster than the CIA or Parsons calculated. In fact, Dianetics and Hubbard take off like a rocket ship. Parsons is ordered to disconnect from Hubbard and Dianetics and he does. Even after Parsons seeks to disengage from Hubbard, Ron still screws over Parsons. LRH began as Parson's student and yet he had to prove that he had become better than his teacher by screwing Parsons over and over and over.

10. For many reasons, it was convenient that Jack Parsons blew himself up in 1952 in the garage workshop of his Pasadena home.

11. LRH and Scientology become a renegade project. With Parsons gone, the CIA infiltrates. The entity possessing LRH detects this, and LRH initiates Sec Checks and an internal security apparatus in Scientology. The entity needs bodies and does not want CIA interference.

12. President Eisenhower secretly meets an alien race in 1952 at Muroc AFB. In exchange for advanced technology, the US allows this race to harvest humans. This is a different race than the race LRH works with. These two races are in competition.

LRH goes mad over time and becomes a megalomaniac. LRH's conduct makes no difference to the entity. When needed, the entity takes over. This explains LRH's erratic behavior: Brilliant, lucid, and charismatic one moment when the entity is at the helm and insanely Ron the next. It just depends who's piloting the body.

Scientology grows to be a big machine that LRH can't control so he cranks down on ethics and issues KSW in 1964. The entity doesn't care so long as bodies are prepped. It is a very small number of bodies for the entity only needs a few each year. The infiltration has to be subtle.

LRH gets insanely greedy and can't get enough cash. He is in complete scarcity about money and is grabbing it as fast as he can. The entity doesn't care so long as just a few bodies are prepped each year.

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Post by J. Swift » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:12 am

Scientology works on three levels: The public, the secret, and the invisible. The invisible level is only known to a small part of people who are in the secret level.

Scientology has a public purpose, a secret purpose, and an invisible purpose. The invisible purpose is the highest and primary purpose of the entire group. In order to finance and support the invisible purpose, a large public base is needed as well as a smaller private base. This is the classic pyramid of any heirarchical group.

The public purpose is claimed to be humanitarian and has broad appeal.

The secret purpose can only be reached by publics who have worked their way through all of the public levels. Most people in the group will never reach the secret level. In fact the public levels are a culling mechanism. Only the worthy reach the secret level, and only the worthiest of the secret group ever find out about the invisible and true purpose of the group. However, once a person discovers the invisible level they are taken over. The invisible level is a trap. It is the "Body Shop" and that is why LRH wanted bodies in the shop!

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The Level Above OT -- The invisible group and true purpose of Scientology. There are purportedly only 200 beds at Trementina, which is part of a "preservation project" that cost at least $166,000,000. Trementina is a very remote 43 acre compound which sits inside a buffer zone of 4,570 acres owned by Scientology. Here is the now famous Google satellite imagery of the Trementina site with the secret Scientology symbol gouged into the face of the Earth:

http://perljam.net/google-satellite-maps/id/7365/United_States/New_Mexico/Trementina/Scientology_landing_strip_and_symbol

Scientology, always greedy to use its religious tax exemption to enrich itself, strangely forgoes its tax exemption on the 4,570 acre buffer zone and pays property taxes on this acreage. However, Scientology does claim tax exemption on the 43 acre Trementina compound itself. BTW, the only ground access to the compound is a dirt road. It is sixteen miles from the gate to the compound. A 6,000 foot runway is available at the compound for, say, Scientologists who own b-jets.

It is clear that Scientology wishes to be uncharacteristically scrupulous with the Trementina site in order to avoid any problems from the County government in which the Tremenentina compound sits at Latitude North 35 degrees 31 minutes 56.59 seconds, Longitude West 104 degrees 37 minutes 45.48 seconds.

The Albuquerque Journal noted in a 1994 article:
The Church of Spiritual Technology, which stores Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard's archives in a San Miguel County mountainside, quit paying property taxes on its central compound in 1995, about two years after it was granted tax-exempt status. But the San Miguel County Assessor's Office says the church has not sought tax exemptions for 4,570 acres surrounding its isolated compound in the headwaters of the Rio Trementina...

The Church of Spiritual Technology... began buying parcels of land near Trementina, some 50 miles east of Las Vegas, N.M., in 1984. During the early 1990s, it built a Y-shaped tunnel -- a 200-foot horizontal shaft and two 150-foot legs -- into a mountain, plus an airplane landing strip and three luxury homes, the largest with 12,000 square feet and 12 bedrooms... San Miguel County Deputy Assessor Albert Padilla said the Church of Spiritual Technology last paid property taxes in 1994 on its central 43 acres with three houses and the cave, collectively valued at about $3 million. Padilla said this week that the church continues to pay some $8,500 a year on the surrounding 4,570 acres, valued at about $600,000...

Monique Yingling, an attorney representing the Church of Spiritual Technology in Washington, D.C., said Monday the church did not seek tax exemptions for the surrounding land because it is vacant and does not meet the requirements of the federal statute. (Albuquerque Journal)
ref: http://www.skeptictank.org/gen3/gen01920.htm

This appears to be more than a records storage facility. The 4,570 acre buffer zone is certainly curious.

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If you think about it, auditing is mapping. Auditing maps the reactive mind, a person's upsets, past lives, and body thetans. All of this goes into the Confessional Folder as a record, or a map of a person's psyche. Scientology is fanatical about this aspect of its record keeping. After 55 years, it would be very easy for Scientology to have developed personality profiles of key indicators:

1. The optimal personality type best suited for theta possession. We will call these type 1's.

2. The type to drain of cash and then Declare.

3. The type who will work and not question

4. etc.

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DM needs cash flow and knows the situation is like this:

Bodies In --> ( X value cash flow ) --> Bodies out (declared, blown, etc). As long as DM can keep his X value cash flow, he can run his operation and also cull for Type 1's to develop. This is why recruitment and good PR are so crucial.

This is also why bad PR and a flood of entheta is bad for Scientology. For decades, as long as LRH or DM hit the magic number -- the X value -- on Thurdsay at 2:00 PM, they could act like monsters and treat people like crap.

Now it has all changed.


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LRH dies and DM takes over and starts construction on Trementina as one of his first formal actions.

DM began as Hubbard's student and yet he had to prove that he had become better than his teacher by screwing Hubbard over.

Parsons died in 1952. What if he picked up a new body in 1960 whose father would become a Scientologist? That would put Parson's new body in proximity to Hubbard in 1976 way out in the desert....


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Post by Markus G. » Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:27 am

J. Swift wrote:L. Ronald Hubbard's "applied religious philosophy" is not internally coherent in many places and it often at odds with itself. That I can use LRH's own work to equate Thetan and Dead demonstrates that LRH did not think through the intellectual problems of his own definitions.

For example, this matter of clustering of BT's is problematic when we consider this LRH definition:

One With The Universe , one of the control mechanisms which has been used on thetans is that when they rise in potential they are led to believe themselves one with the universe. This is distinctly untrue. Thetans are individuals. They do not as they rise up the scale, merge with other individualities (Scn-8008, p.25)[b] ref: op. cit.

Here LRH is emphatic that, "Thetans are individuals. They do not... merge with other individualities." So how can it be the case that BT's can attach themselves to Thetans if Hubbard has ruled out the possibility of "other individualities" merging with Thetans?


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LRH's denial that a person can become one with the universe is contrary to the consistent testimony of spiritual adepts in all ages. The gurus and great teachers all testify of the realization of unity with God, or the universe, while yet being functionally differentiated by the temporal body mind. LRH wants to keep a person alienated and cut off from the Source and Condition from which all phenomenal existence arises, and that is the universe or God.

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Indeed, Hubbard's fixed idea that thetans are individuals, that there is no unity, is at odds with the great spiritual traditions (which Hubbard never understood). But I can't see how it is at odds with his own BT/cluster theory, since the exorcism techniques used in OT III - VII are addressed to the BTs as individuals, with the wanted result that they will leave when they realize that they are separate beings.

This is another Scientology dogma that I just can't accept. For me, spirituality is about unity, and not about a vast number of entities separated forever.

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Part I

In my view, one must adopt the Two Ron's-Two Scientology's model in order to understand LRH and Scientology. If one attempts to understand LRH or Scientology as being one man and one organization it drives people to an "all or nothing at all" conclusion.

The "Con Conclusion" sees LRH and Scientology as a completely useless con and a lie. There is no value in Scientology and none of it works.

The "Freezone Conclusion" sees the "Tech" as being very useful and splits it off from what it sees as the corrupt and criminal CoS, RTC, and CST.

I take an intermediate position and argue that one has to understand the
schizoid nature of LRH and Scientology in order for any of it to make any sense.

After years of study and reading and talking to people, I wish to offer my "Two Ron's-Two Scientology's" model (TRTS):

The TRTS model asserts that:

1. There are two Ron's:
A. Ron the Human -- LRH1
B. Ron the Possessed -- LRH2

2. There are two Sientology's:
A. Public Scientology -- Scn1 - 97.5% of the group
B. Secret Scientology -- Scn2 -- 2.5% of the group

The numbers here - 97.5% and 2.5% are a guess, however they refer to LRH1's assertion that 2.5% of the world's population are the most evil. I use the the premise that Ron spoke truths about himself and Scientology when he codemned others to conclude that 2.5% of Scientologists are purely evil and have evil intentions and crimes. These 2.5% form Scn2.


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LRH1 was an amoral pathological liar and conman whose rich and fertile imagination and high intelligence both served him and tortured him. LRH1 cooled the heated output of his prodigious imagination using alcohol and drugs. LRH1 craved fame and money and found it easy to use people to get it. LRH1 had an enormous ego that, once wounded, would take revenge far out of proportion to the he offense. LRH1 did not just get even: He ruined people who crossed him.

LRH1's personality contained all of the preconditions a possessing entity would desire: Ego, vanity, greed, insecurity, untrained intelligence, and an amorality that allowed the entity to drive LRH1 to do anything that was wanted and needed.

LRH1 demanded love and adoration from the very people he would con and hurt. This was the essence of his mental aberration: He needed to brutalize the people who loved him and he needed to ruin his friends. For
LRH1, love and the infliction of pain were inextricably linked and he never saw his own sickness. LRH1 hated his own servility and yet that is what he ultimately needed to offer to LRH2 in exchange for power.

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LRH2 was the possessing entity and was far more polished, deliberate, calculating, and seductive. LRH2 would handle your case, repair you, and make you feel like you were the only person in the world when he fixed his hypnotic gaze on you. When LRH2 handled you, you felt complete, empowered, and at cause. When you were at your most euphoric and in a state of gratitude, LRH2 would ask you for repayment in terms of money, labor, and risk.

LRH2 would say brilliant things and could charm and dazzle a room full of people. LRH2 had a feral nose for danger, spies, and SP's. LRH2 would brook no disobedience or Q&A. When, for example, LRH2 fired a .45 pistol into the floor at a lecture in 1952 to demonstrate the R245 exteriorization process, he was sending a clear message that people who crossed him could be killed.

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Coming from an alien race as he did, LRH2 did not fully understand human beings and had troubles being in a human body. If we study Scientology, we see that its lower grades and processes are concerned with spotting things repeatedly or picking up objects and putting them back down repeatedly. Looking at these processes in terms of modern medicine, I realized that these sorts of processes are how the motor skills of post-stroke victims are rehabilitated.

It is of interest to me that so much of the lower levels of Scn1 are concerned with the motor skills of the body under the guise of putting a person into PT or of noticing things. I think these motor skill processes represent a covert remapping of the brain in preparation of possession. If you think about possession, a possessing entity cannot simply enter a strange body and understand how to operate it. The case seems to be rather that an entity selects a new Scientologist early on and possesses the Scientologist by degrees, and this begins by the entity mapping the motor skills of a given body and then slowly integrating itself into those motor skills via repetitive processes of Scn1. The motor skills processes of Scn1 are clearly meant for Scn2 beings. However, they will benefit certain humans who are repressed about the body. In my schema, I see Scientology as a process whereby the human personality is systematically deconstructed while a simultaneous remapping of the brain occurs that will allow the gradually-possessing entity to perform simple and necessary human tasks such as using utensils to eat.

Think of it this way: If you were going to take over someone else's computer, you would first systematically eliminate virtually of their data and programs as you would neither want them or need them. Say you favored Linux and hated Windows. That means a replacement of the OS. In like manner, an alien (and here the words "alien" or "demon" are interchangeable, for all that matters is that we have an entity that has counter-intention on a particular human and wants to possess that human.) needs to delete the psychic contents of the human it wants to possess. In Scn2, it does this by gradients over time so as to avoid scaring its victim. This is "gradual possession by gradients" and is a much better method of possession than "sudden possession" which usually results in tragedy and the suicide or sudden death of the himan victim.

In Scientology, there is a methodical removal of humanity from a body. The humanity is replaced by a mechanical personality that will take orders and has been programmed to repeat trivial tasks over and over so that the possessing entity can enter the body and quickly orient itself to the motor skills of that body.

One clue that a Scientologist may be in a gradual possession mode is to look for mechanicalness and artificiality in bodily movements and facial gestures. If the forced smiles of Scientologists creep out wogs, it is because these look and feel unnatural to us.

When a Scientologist rehearses a TR, it is likely a shadow Scn2 process in order for the entity to learn how to act and respond in a given social situation. Real humans act naturally and spontaneously according to their nature. When a Scientologist does not act naturally and spontaneously but instead uses TR's, this is hint that perhaps gradual possession is occuring.

Secret Scientology is covert program that seeks to "alienize" a human -- i.e. remove human characteristics and replace them with alien characteristics -- in order to allow an alien to more easily enter a human. Once the entity is interiorized, the entity would seek to humanize its presentation. Yet an alien is not a human and a human can "read" an alien in a human body when we see "something strange." This perhaps explains why Scientologists stay in the Ghetto of Scientology for protection as well as allowing entities cover. If everyone acts like a Scientologist -- i.e. TR's and mechanicalness in lieu of natural human mannerisms -- this allows the entities who are gradually possessing bodies to blend in more easily.

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LRH2 could not fully live as a human and had problems being in a body. LRH2 was aberrated about being in a human body and so had to run a lot of processes on himself. So much of Scientology concerns itself with bodies and the problems of being in a body because aliens have problems interiorizing with full perceptions into human bodies. LRH2 formalized his problems with being in a body into Scn1 scripture.

For instance, I think that the Tone Scale was LRH2's invention and it reflects an alien entity's attempts to understand human embodiment. The Tone Scale is unnatural and is nothing that a psychologically healthy human would ever devise. The Tone Scale is preoccupied with bodies and reflects an alien consciousness that does not experience human emotion but rather analyzes and quantifies emotions. LRH2 never learned how to be human and in fact his work turned humans into robots, or Ronbots. The mechanicalness and artificiality of Scientologists reflects conditioning and not enlightenment.

The Tone Scale is nothing to be proud of. Instead of explaining emotions as Scn1 claims, the Tone Scale retards human emotion by reducing to a point scale. This bespeaks of aliens who need to articulate a "quantification of affect" so they will know how they are supposed to emote in a given context. The Tone Scale betrays emotional poverty. It is Scale for an entity, or a human, who does not know how to have feelings or how to regard feelings. It is noticeably absent of any mention of love, because love baffles entities and emotionally impoverished humans.

The "Borg Mind" of Scientologists reflects the existence of an alien group during the duration of a long duration space flight in confinement where ethics must be strict and enturbulation cannot be tolerated. This is the alien sense that LRH2 instilled into Scientology and reflects what long space flights of confinement and isolation -- years or decades of flight -- does to beings. Earth is not prison planet as LRH2 described it. Rather, LRH2 was never able to be processed on the aberration of long space flights and so he transferred this feeling of being confined to the universe, the Earth, and to human embodiment. LRH2 and the alien race from he came has a group engram on being imprisoned. This engram persists in Scn1 and Scn2 to this day and that is why Scn1 often feels like a prison and in fact concerns itself with the imprisonment of RPF and the incarceration of the Introspection Rundown.

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In a happy coincidence for LRH2, the introduction of Dianetics and Scientology coincided with a heavily repressed Judeo-Christian Western world in 1950. Humans were repressed about sex, the body, and self expression. In other words, many Westerners were as aberrated about being in a human body as aliens were.

As Secret Scientology under LRH2 worked out the mechanics of embodiment for aliens, repressed humans benefited in some ways by these techniques. Humans who were not repressed saw these techniques as being ridiculous: Why would anyone who was not repressed pay money to perform repetitive commands? OTOH, a repressed person could have breakthroughs by performing repetitive commands and processes that allowed them to be in PT and to simply communicate with other people. The model of "Two Scientology's" allow us to see why Scientology works for some people and is seen as absurd by other people. It does not have to be an "all or nothing at all" interpretation on the level of technique and process. However, on the level of money, we can allow for one view: Scientology is enormously greedy and rapes people financially. This will be discussed in further detail later.

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When LRH2 took the helm of the body, LRH1 would often be sent exterior for days. LRH1 did go exterior and did wander around space. LRH1 had developed a taste for the occult and for being possessed, so no spiritual phenomena bothered LRH1. It seemed all quite natural to him. However, LRH1 could never duplicate this in others. He could talk about it, but he could not duplicate it because LRH2 never showed LRH1 the techniques. LRH2 jealously guarded interiorization and exteriorization techniques from LRH1. When LRH2 had important work to do on the tech, LRH1 would be sent packing. Only when LRH2 was finished would LRH1 be allowed back into the RonBody.

LRH2 cared about Scn1 only to the extent that it prepped a few people a year for takeover. LRH2's focus was on Secret Scientology and the problems of how to induce perceptions and ideas into humans that would allow Scn2 to delete an OT's psyche from their body with their full cooperation while simultaneously reprogramming and remapping the brain and body of the human victim.

This was not a simple undertaking. The fact that LRH1 and LRH2 worked cooperatively to extract maximum amounts of money from people while they were being deconstructed and prepped, shows that both Ron's had enormous cash needs. LRH1 needed cash to grow Scn1 and LRH2 needed cash to build and finance Scn2. It does not occur to people that any entity on Earth in a human body incurs all of the common human needs for money, shelter, food, rest, etc.

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In Part II, I will continue my overview of the TRTS model and also examine LRH2's plans for the time when the body of LRH1 died. Remember, this is all speculation offered as an alternative to what Scientology says about itself.

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Post by lermanet_com » Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:07 am

In the effort to make sense out of what Hubbard called "OT"
a number of old ex-OTs also discussed the scenario of
What if all this weird stuff is just to prepare your body for
being taken over by another entity? But until I read your
speculations, I hadn't heard this mentioned in 7 years.
Do you THINK scientology works?
Then read [url=http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=20255&start=285]THIS PAGE[/url] here on XENU.NET

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Post by barky » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:37 am

Apologies for sounding flip, but this theory sounds like one of LRH's pulp novels. :lol:


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