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 Post subject: Keeping Enturbulation Working -- Reissued
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In Ron's Journal 67 LRH said:

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We have learned that technology does not thrive in an area which is enturbulated and which has many suppressives and factors which are hostile to the better side of life.

It is for this reason that we are enacting a new policy called Keeping Enturblation Working (KEW).

The purpose of KEW is to generate maximum levels of enturbulation and suppression and other factors, well, just telling the truth about Scientology actually, that are sufficient to prevent Scientology from thriving. "Enturbulation" and "Suppression" ar just LRH and DM code words for saying, "Scientology can't thrive when the truth about it is known."

DM admitted that Scientology cannot thrive in suppression:

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Yet, as Mr. Miscavige pointed out, at any and every level of The Bridge, there is one factor that could sabotage one's swift progress to Clear and OT, and that's suppression.

ref: http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=16279

Scientology cannot thrive when the truth about it is known. This is why Scientology calls the truth about itself, "Entheta", "Enturbulation" and "Suppression." In Scientology, lies become truth, and, the truth becomes entheta and suppression.

The logic of KEW is LRH's admission in RJ67 that Scientology, "does not thrive in an area which is enturbulated and which has many suppressives and factors which are hostile to the better side of life." By "the better side of life" LRH meant better for Scientology. However, KEW correctly defines "the better side of life" as Scientology codespeak used to disguise its criminality and lies. We have the high moral ground with KEW.

Here is the draft of KEW for review and comment:

The stable datum of KEW is as follows:

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Scientology is enturbulated when the truth about Scientology is communicated in any manner or by any means. Therefore, the “Keeping Enturbulation Working� order requires that the truth about Scientology be communicated in any manner or by any means possible including the internet, the media, law enforcement, lawsuits, and protests in order to keep Scientology enturbulated. Non-enturbulation orders from Scientology are therefore invalid at issue as regards KEW.


The ten points of Keeping Enturbulation Working:

1. Know that Scientology is a for-profit mind control business that tells lies; commits crimes against nations and persons; seeks to do grave harm to its perceived enemies by use of Fair Game; enslaves its members spiritually and financially.

2. Know and communicate the stable datum about Scientology’s lies and crimes with the intention to enturbulate, retard, and arrest the growth of the criminal organization known as Scientology.

3. Know that the Suppressive Person and Fair Game technologies of Scientology are crimes against humanity by their very definition. Use KEW on a very broad global basis across all dynamics in order to stop the application of Scientology's Suppressive Person and Fair Game hate-technologies which are classed as crimes against humanity by KEW.

4. Apply KEW as a truth process across all dynamics to exposes the lies and crimes of Scientology.

5. KEW keeps Scientology working to handle massive and widespread enturbulation across all dynamics and so prevents Scientology from thriving or being upstat. Ron admitted this fact: Scientology cannot thrive in enturbulation. Therefore, produce KEW as your VFP.

6. Scientology is at the effect of KEW because KEW removes Scientology from cause. When Scientology cannot be at cause it goes downstat across all dynamics. Scientology can only react to KEW.

7. Disconnection is a Scientology crime against families hate-technology and not a religious doctrine as Scientology falsely claims. Apply KEW to hammer out of existence the Scientology crime against families hate-technology known as Disconnection.

8. Knock out incorrect applications of the “Keeping Enturbulation Working� by spotting and declaring known and/or secret OSA agents, trolls, private investigators and all other Scientologists guilty of engaging in the crimes against humanity known as the Suppressive Person and Fair Game
hate-technologies.

9. Close the door on any possibility of Scientology perpetrating the crimes against humanity that Scientology calls the Suppressive Person and Fair Game doctrine. These are not doctrines as Scientology claims. They are rather black Scientology hate-technologies designed to destroy people. Use KEW to expose them as the technologies of hate and do not allow Scientology to define them as religious doctrines in public forums. Always counter the cult's efforts by the rigorous application of KEW.

10. Keep the doors open to any and all Scientologists who decide to leave or blow once they see the truth about Scientology revealed by KEW.


Please review and comment on using KEW to stop the hate-tech of Scientology.

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LRH claimed to be a great humanitarian.

Yet at some point, LRH had and ARC break with humanity as evidenced by KSW. Further, LRH had an ARC break with Scientologists as evidenced by Ethics and RPF.

Rather than getting processed on his ARC break with humanity -- as well as his ARC break with other Scientologists -- in order to locate and handle where he went out of ARC with both groups, Ron instead made humanity and Scientology wrong.

Rather than handling his overts and withholds across all dynamics, Ron made everyone else wrong and used the Black Scientology processes of Fair Game, Disconnection, Ethics, and RPF against humanity and Scientologists.

Instead of looking at the FDA charges regarding the E-Meter and honestly asking, "Have I made false claims about the E-Meter?" Ron instead decided to Fair Game people in the FDA and declare it an enemy organization.

Instead of looking at the various legal challenges to Scientology and asking, "Are we really breaking the law and harming people?" Ron instead declared war on various goverments and had the GO commit numerous felonies. Ron did not bring Scientology into compliance with US laws, but instead had Scientology break US law in an attempt to purge the US Government files of all knowledge of Scientology's crimes.

Ron issued KSW as an expression of his own ARC break with humanity and the laws designed to protect people. Ron issued KSW as a way to legitimatize his crimes against nations and peoples. He stayed within Scientology and wrote a policy that made him right and everyone else wrong.

KSW is a massive ARC break that can only cause cascading ARC breaks. KSW paradoxically causes Scientologists to have ARC breaks with Scientology. KSW is, ironically, one of the main reasons that Scientology cannot work. I say this because KSW created a police state within Scientology and it is not possible for Scientologists to obtain freedom within a police state.

Scientology died as a religion with KSW and instead became a police state. A police state and a religion are unlike things and LRH failed to make this distinction because of his overts and withholds.

As contemporary Scientology seeks to establish itself as a legitimate religion in the West, it finds opposition everywhere because free peoples recognize Scientology as being a police state and not a religion. When Scientology asks, "Can we be friends?" the answer has to be no because it is not possible to have friendship with a police state that has surveillance and contol of others as its main preoccupation. It is not possible to have friendship with a police state that will seek to destroy you, your family, your income, and your name if it decides that you are its enemy.

Scientology has to stop communicating to the world that it is a dangerous adversary if crossed. Scientology will not be be welcomed into the community of the West if it threatens that it can and will, at any instant, become a dangerous adversary if crossed. This is like trying to be friends with a savage and unpredictable wild animal: Could you be friends with a wild lion? No, you cannot trust a wild lion. Scientology is perceived to be like a wild angry lion that wants to be your friend. No one will take Scientology up on its invitation to be friends until it tames its own savage nature.

The legal system in the West is adversarial. When KSW was issued, LRH began to shape Scientology in terms of the adversarial legal system of the West. LRH confused the legal system of the West and religion and these are unlike things. DM followed Ron's direction and intensified the effort to make Scientology identical to the adversarial legal system of the West. Having done this, Scientology became an adversarial legal entity to both Scientologists and non-Scientologists. This is what happens when you have lawyers running a religion instead of philosophers. Scientology is a religion guided by attornies; how can this ever bring about enlightenment? It can't because lawyers are adversarial and do not know peace; they only know war and fighting as a way of life.

Scientology long ago ceased to function as a religion. Scientology functions internally and externally as an adversarial legal system. Worse, because it is a police state, there is no presumption of innocence or civil rights for the accused. There is only the pronouncement of sentence and the execution of sentence.

Scientology is a fusion of the adversarial legal system of the West and a police state. That Scientology has a technology only serves to allow it to prosecute its own members with greater rapidity.

As you can see, Scientology's ARC break with humanity in general and Scientologists in particular has become deep and unconcious in the leadership of the organization. This engram is buried and contains great pain and unconsciousness. Instead of getting some auditing for it, Ron chose instead to write KSW as a way to not be responsible for handling the problems he had himself created.

The irony is that Scientology has the technology to reform itself and does not use it. Scientology does not handle its institutional engrams in order to go Clear. Thus, it perpetuates its institutionalized adversarial relationship with the world and calls us SP's. Scientology accuses the world of being SP, tries the world in absentia, and then executes its sentence upon the world.

I wrote KEW simply as a spiritual and intellectual exercise to reflect back to Scientology what KSW looks like to the world. If KEW looks hostile to Scientology, well that is what KSW looks like to the world when we read it.


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Somewhere in there should be "We would rather have you dead than know the real truth of Scientology.


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I don't think it's such a great idea to acknowledge Hubbard's nomenclature. To adopt the term "Entubulation" is to propogate Scientology jargon, and lend the term a legitimacy it doesn't deserve.


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 Post subject: Acronyms
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Tsar von Humbug wrote:
I don't think it's such a great idea to acknowledge Hubbard's nomenclature. To adopt the term "Entubulation" is to propogate Scientology jargon, and lend the term a legitimacy it doesn't deserve.


Very interesting point!

I don't know about anybody else... but as somebody who is fairly new to the critics of scientology world... I find the use of the acronyms to be really disorienting.

Granted, the shorthand is probably easiest for people... but there is a psychological mechanism at work which I think bears some thought:


"Propaganda" was invented by the Catholic Church. It has it's roots in the "Congregatio de Propaganda Fide ("Committee for the Propagation of the Faith") instituted by papal bull in 1622. Of course, this is not where it ended... the whole idea that "reality" could be supplanted by fantasy by mere constant droning repitition of falsehoods has been practiced in many different forms and variants by adherants of many different religions, or political movements.

""Proletkult" was a movement founded in the early years of the 20th century by Anatoli Lunacharsky, who became Lenin's Commissar of Enlightenment. Alexander Bogdanov, Lunacharsky's brother-in-law, became the chief theorist of Proletkult, which was an indulgence of Lenin's, who had actually rejected all the premises of Proletkult and had kicked Lunacharsky and Bogdanov out of the Party in 1911, only to re-admit them in 1917. In the Commisariat of Enlightenment, Lunacharsky and Bogdanov found free rein to completely re-shape every aspect of daily life under the regime. For instance: Bogdanov, an adherent of Frederick Taylor's time-motion studies of industrial production in the west, had it in mind to "mechanize speech", and when you use an acronym today, you might bear in mind that you're working with a Bolshevik invention."

From here... http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php?id=P1033

Another few thoughts I have on it, is how Shibboleth is used both in the cult, and in the critics movement.

The one thing I have noticed is that the deeper and more advanced one is, in a particular field of study, the harder it is to communicate to casual observers the precise and detailed knowledge that one has aquired...

Much like computer programmers can speak in a lingo that completely insulates them from non-programmers... and tends to make them and their programs or explanations or "help manuals" for their programs inaccessible to the average user...

This is almost near farce, when a newbie is trying to understand something complex, and they ask a question at an on-line forum of programmers and they are greeted with the "RTFM"... (Read the Fing Manual)... as if it's simply understood... what the RTFM acronym would mean... and even more funny when the reason the newbie is asking, is because they have read the manual, and they still can't make sense of what it's saying.. because of techno-jargon, and arcane geek-speak.

In my work, prior to my current occupation, I was an expert on a particular subject... and when interviewed by media, I constantly had to remind myself that if I used acronyms or phrases, or words that people who were also involved in this work would understand...I would not be understood by laypeople.

I find it most interesting how the use of acronyms has in someways helped discussion in this community in resolving disputes which probably could be argued for hours...
If everybody uses the CoS or Co$ acronym... it can be read as either Church or Cult of Scientology.. no need for a long discussion everytime somebody uses C instead of Church or Cult... right?

I do however find it hard to read some posts... where try as I might to understand what somebody is saying... I can't make out what they are saying... when a whole series of acronyms are used....

I'm wondering... and maybe this has already been done... but is there a lexicon available for both the CoS and the Critic's movement?

Something that the newer users could print off and keep beside our computer as a handy quick refference to the acronyms?

My take on the efforts of the cult to insulate it's people deeper and deeper within the brainwashing is that by making people adopt these arcane acronyms and phrases and words... it acts as a kind of "cipher"... and makes the Scientologists feel comfortable... because they are "speaking the language" of scientology.

Here's an example of how it might work to the unintentional detriment of the critics...

On various political websites and blogs... the right-of-center bloggers constantly call anybody who disagrees with George Bush a "moonbat". As somebody who is actually more conservative than liberal in background... I find this practice to be extremely disturbing. Whenever I see the word "moonbat", I immediatey turn off of reading the website, or the post.. because the use of the epiteth tells me that their post is more propaganda, rather than thinking critical analysis.

If I want propaganda... I can go read Bush's speeches, or I can turn on fox-news... right?

I'm curious.. for those of you who are reading who are still scientologists... what is your immediate emotional reaction to the kinds of epiteths that are regularly applied to scientologists...

I know, based on my reading of the Dead-agenting and "fair-game" doctrines that there are certain words and phrases that scientologists similarly use against critics, which immediately have the same effect for me, as "moonbat" does when I read far-right websites...

So, I would ask the critics as well... what are the common phrases that scientologists use to denigrate critics... what are the "ciphers" or "code-speak" phrases that pop up over and over again?

I'm interested in this from the standpoint of examining the overall culture of both the Scientologists and the critics.

Thanks for taking the time to read this


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My take on the efforts of the cult to insulate it's people deeper and deeper within the brainwashing is that by making people adopt these arcane acronyms and phrases and words... it acts as a kind of "cipher"... and makes the Scientologists feel comfortable... because they are "speaking the language" of scientology.


If one is going to be an effective critic of Scientology, they have to learn the language of Scientology. They don't have to use it out in everyday life, but they need to study Scienospeak in order to intelligently discuss Scientology as well as to reach those in the cult. If one is not willing to learn some basic Scientology terms then I have to conclude that they are really not that interested in the subject. If you have internet ennui, if you are mentally fatigued by obtuse neologisms then that is quite a different matter altogether than the use Scientology jargon. I would say you may be dealing with information overload and should take a vacation to the south of France where I am presently staying.

Simply stated, the internet, pop culture, and science all spawn a proliferation of jargon. A modern person has to be adept at the acquisition of linguistic jargon in order to be intellectually proficient in our globalist pop technoculture, you dig?

There are plenty of other posts and articles here at OCMB that use everyday language to explain Scientology. You have do some work to understand Scientology. Everyone at OCMB understands the problem of language. You can use google to find Scientology terms and look up phrases or policies. It is all very easy to find.

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My post which opened this thread was, as I said, a way to reflect back to Scientologists how they are perceived by outsiders. For example, what if this were published as a US Law:

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ENEMY Scientologist Order. Fair game. Any Scientologist may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any US Citizen without any discipline of the US Citizen. Scientologists may be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.


That would have a chilling effect on Scientologists because it means that they would be subject to ruination without penalty. Of course, this is not the case and US Scientologists enjoy freedom of religion. However, Scientology declares that all of its critics are subject to Fair Game. In his Fair Game policy, LRH said it was permissible for Scientologists to ruin and even murder those people Scientology deemed to be its enemies, or what it calls SP's (Suppressive Persons):

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ENEMY SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by
any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the
Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.


LRH:jp L. RON HUBBARD
Copyright (c) 1967 Founder


When we mirror back to Scientology Hubbard's own violent language, Scientologists can see just how murderous and genocidal in intent Scientology looks to outsiders. Certain of Hubbard's writings are simply a call for hate crimes and even murder formalized as Church doctrine.

Thus, the use of linguistic mirroring in their own language might help some Scientologists reading this to realize the brutal nature of that with which they are involved.

I was not advocating the use of Scientology jargon in everyday life. I was using Scientology's own language in a structuralist sort of post to make a point to lurking Scientologists.

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I don't think it's such a great idea to acknowledge Hubbard's nomenclature. To adopt the term "Entubulation" is to propogate Scientology jargon, and lend the term a legitimacy it doesn't deserve.


I was using the word "enturbulation" only in my post and it was perhaps too much of an inside joke for newbs. One can't really discuss LRH or Scientlogy without using LRH nomenclature. I think critics can and should freely use and explain LRH nomenclature in order for the public to understand just how deranged LRH and Scientology can be.

To reach Scientologists in the cult, one has to speak the language in which they have been indoctrinated. Being a Scientology critic is somewhat like being an anthropologist because one is dealing with a tribe that speaks a modified language and believes all outsiders are probably of ill intent. To speak their language demonstrates that one understands their reality to some extent. In any case, on a human-to-human basis what we need to really understand and identify with is the suffering of the Scientologist. The compassion of reaching out to a suffering person surpasses all constructs of language.

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The critics here use Scientology jargon as a shorthand at times. I have had to use my Scientology Technical Dictionary to follow the dialogue at times and still do. It has made me a better critic to be able to learn the language of Scientology and I still am learning.

Go buy a cheap Scientology Tech dictionary at a used bookstore like I did. Scientology wants something like $300 for a new copy. I got a used copy for $4.00.

$4.00 allowed me to get my hands on the secret Hubbard cipher. However, I still need to buy a magic L. Ron Hubbard decoder ring:

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J. Swift wrote:

If one is going to be an effective critic of Scientology, they have to learn the language of Scientology. They don't have to use it out in everyday life, but they need the precision of Scienospeak to reach those in the cult. If one is not willing to learn some basic Scientology terms then I have to conclude that they are really not that interested in the subject.

Look, the internet, pop culture, and science all spawn a proliferation of jargon. A modern person has to be adept at the acquisition of linguistic jargon in order to be an intellectually proficient in our globalist pop technoculture, you dig?

There are plenty of other posts and articles here at OCMB that use everyday language to explain Scientology. You have do some work to understand Scientology. Everyone at OCMB understands the problem of language. You can use google to find Scientology terms and look up phrases or policies. It is all very easy to find.

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My post which opened this thread was, as I said, a way to reflect back to Scientology how they are perceived by outsiders. For example, what if this were published as a US Law:

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ENEMY Scientologist Order. Fair game. Any Scientologist may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any US Citizen without any discipline of the US Citizen. Scientologists may be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.


That would have a chilling effect on Scientologists because it means that they would be subject to ruination without penalty. In his Fair Game policy, LRH said it was permissible for Scientologists to ruin and even murder those people Scientology deemed to be its enemies, or what it calls SP's (Suppressive Persons):

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ENEMY SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by
any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the
Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.


LRH:jp L. RON HUBBARD
Copyright (c) 1967 Founder


When we mirror back to Scientology Hubbard's own violent language, Scientologists can see just how murderous and genocidal in intent Scientology looks to outsiders. Much of Hubbard's writings are simply a call for hate crimes and even murder formalized as Church doctrine.

Thus, the use of linguistic mirroring in their own language might help some Scientologists reading this to realize the brutal nature of that with which they are involved.

I was not advocating the use of Scientology jargon in everyday life. I was using Scientology's own language in a structuralist sort of post to make a point to lurking Scientologists.



I agree with much of this.. and I thank you for the tips. I did some more surfing and did find a lexicon of sorts at the main site.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/dictionary/

The only area where I would disagree is in the following.... Reading Tory's story is fascinating.. because she describes in no uncertain terms what it was that brought her out of the darkness.

She had this image that Andreas was like the anti-christ... evil incarnate... right?

And Andreas demonstrated that he was not out to denigrate her, or shame her, or harm her. That he cared about her... and had respect for her as a human being, an individual.. a person with a mind that was capable of functioning.

It was in the simple gesture of kindness, that (from what I have read of Tory's story) that the switch in thinking began.

Maybe that won't work for all. But I think somebody like Tory is a remarkable asset to the critic community because she can offer a blue-print as to what really "works" in jarring people gently out of the lies and deciet that they have been sold by the cult.

From what I can gather... and what I see, most of Scientologists really have bought into the idea, hook-line and sinker, that they are on a mission to save the world.... and as such, their mind casts them in the role of the good-guys, battling evil foes.

Mirroring only works, if somebody looking into a mirror recognizes the image they see reflected back at them, as themselves.... Otherwise, what they see when they look into the mirror is a projection of every terrible boogeyman that the cult has conjured up about "religious bigots" and so forth.

That's just my own take on it. I still don't know where the line is.. (as I discussed on previous thread) between compassion for the individuals conned by the cult, and contempt for the cult itself.

Like I said.. I'm new, and just getting my feet wet.

A long time ago, when I was involved in AA, somebody pointed out to me that the biggest failing in human relationships is that we tend to judge ourselves by our intentions, while the world can only properly judge us by our actions.

I am trying to apply that here, as I delve more deeply into the action.

One last thing...

"Look, the internet, pop culture, and science all spawn a proliferation of jargon"

Agreed... and not to drag another esoteric thinker into the discussion...
"When words lose their meaning, people lose their liberty" - Confucius

There is something really disturbing to me about the way that Scientology invents it's own language... and foists it upon it's members, and indeed does all it can to imbue it's own meaning into language... In a way, it allows the lies peddled to remain unchallenged... because it invents tautologies that can give people the impression that somebody has said something terribly profound.. when it's actually terribly self-contradictory.

I mean... honestly... I've read some of Hubbard's words, and listened to some of the audio files of him.... and how he strings together complete abject bloody nonsense.... and yet... to the members, this horse-puckey is treated as if it is devine wisdom.

I'd love to ask some of the Scientologists sometime, about whether they read something by Hubbard, or listened to something he said, and had absolutley no freaking idea what he meant by it... and how they dealt with that...

In any case J.Switf (one of my favourite writers BTW!)
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. :)


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Interesting ideas.

I do believe that you need to be careful not to give Scientology to much positive credit while trying to wittle down the management.
If people believe that Scientology might actually be useful it will be harder to show them how it is being distructive.

In a differnet tread I had put out the idea of using aspects of the TR drill and other course work against Scientologist that are confronting you. I dont have the exerience to do this myself, but it seems these ideas are inline with the ones in this thread.

Keep up the good work all.

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Maybe this is one way to look at it:

Scientology is both brilliant and original.

Unfortunately for Scientology, Hubbard stole all of the brilliant parts from other writers and his original material is both dreadful and violent.


The critics fall into two main camps: Scientology is all a lie, or, some of it is useful and the present management is evil. I fall into the latter camp.

I don't think that there has to be an "all or nothing at all" as regards Scientology. I accept the testimony of people who said they got value out of and then were harmed. The consistent testimony of former members is that Scientology has some initial value and then becomes destructive. There are large internal failure mechanisms at work in Scientology that are beyond repair at present.

Scientology obviously needs major internal and management reforms if it ever hopes to be viable in culture. In PT, Scientology is perceived as a hostile, threatening, and dangerous mind control cult that has left a wide swath of ruined human lives in its wake. Those people who were harmed by Scientology testify on the internet and in the media and millions and millions of people listen, take note, and act accordingly by staying away from Scientology in droves and telling their friends and family to do so as well.

As if that weren't enough, Tom Cruise has become the poster child for all of the many reasons not to do Scientology.

Tom says that Scientology helped him to learn how to read, so I accept that Tom got that value from Scientology. However, billions of people have learned to read without needing Scientology, so Tom's testimony here is inconsequential -- unless of course Scientology is targeting illiterates, which it may be as thinking people would never walk into an Org. Conversely, Tom now has two divorces under his belt and has impregnated a woman out of wedlock. So while Scientology helped Tom to learn to read, it really did nothing for his ability to stay in a marriage or to abstain from sexual promiscuity. Scientology comes off looking limp when we see Tom Cruise's demonstration of OT powers. Tom seems positively like every other Wog movie star in Hollywod.

Except for asserting copyright complaints or using hired thugs to intimidate people, Scientology has lost any ability to control the exponentially spreading criticism of itself on the internet or the media.

The irony is that while Scientology claims to know the OT processes whereby it may control MEST, it has no control over MEST except when it resorts the the very old and unenlightened Wog methods of using violence and threats.


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Tsar von Humbug wrote:
I don't think it's such a great idea to acknowledge Hubbard's nomenclature. To adopt the term "Entubulation" is to propogate Scientology jargon, and lend the term a legitimacy it doesn't deserve.


Out of context this is a generally true statement, HOWEVER

The bridge OUT of Scientology starts INSIDE Scientology

Its foundation, has to be built upon that same jargon and nomenclature

When bringing a true believer OUT of Scientologuy, one has to use that same jargon, to get close enough to the person, that one can become their emotional escort... and then walk them OUT of the trap that Hubbard built.

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Shmoodles wrote: "There is something really disturbing to me about the way that Scientology invents it's own language... and foists it upon it's members, and indeed does all it can to imbue it's own meaning into language... In a way, it allows the lies peddled to remain unchallenged... because it invents tautologies that can give people the impression that somebody has said something terribly profound.. when it's actually terribly self-contradictory.

I mean... honestly... I've read some of Hubbard's words, and listened to some of the audio files of him.... and how he strings together complete abject bloody nonsense.... and yet... to the members, this horse-puckey is treated as if it is devine wisdom."



Hubbard's linguistic trickery is a covert way to build a wall, tougher than the finest steel, around the intended victim.

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J. Swift/Arnie, I completely agree that sincere dialogue is the best way to reach out to the other side, and that the Scientology 'dialect' has to be understood before the values of Scientology can be examined (confronted - ugh). One of the things Ron is really going to burn for is the violence he has perpetrated against the English language.

It was a point Orwell made again and again that the use of sloppy, vague, and pretentious language is an obstacle to critical thinking, and that this sort of language is the deliberate choice of people who want to deceive and manipulate, but apparently Confucious has already made the point - thanks Shmoodles. This, by the way, was the whole point of Newspeak, which bears some interesting parallels to the special use of language that happens in all cults.

The problem I have with adopting Hubbards language is it's more than just a tribal dialect. It's also an intrinsic part of the house of mirrors that people inside are struggling with. I like your metaphor for mirroring the language back. It's necessary to show people that the Scientology jargon, instead of being a signpost out of the house of mirrors, is itself part of the trap. It may also start people wondering about times when they used to be able to express their inner thoughts and feelings, in a language the wider world understood.


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Interesting thread, swift, I don't think I had read this before. It seems you have some good ideas here which fit in well with your other threads.

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