Kabir/Jack: "I just didn't feel right about not mentioning to you that you don't really know if death will achieve whatever you believe it will no matter how much you try to convince yourself that you do.
I don't know what it will achieve. I'm hoping its OBLIVION the same as before I was conceived. As I'm quite a spiritual person I have to say the evidence doesn't point that way (as an aside, does anyone have the link where the American Scientist and Insurance Actuator did an assessment weighing all the odds if God exists or not? It was about two years ago and the odds for God existing were in the high 70% region. I was discussing this with someone who doesn't believe in God and I thought it would be an objective piece of research, they might find it interesting). I said on the first page of this thread that:
I believe in a Loving, Forgiving Christian God, who'll ever forgive me knowing the isolated loneliness and totally no where to go from here situation I'm in, Left by organised religion and especially the suicidal inducing and promoting Church of Scientology
That or Oblivion is the best I can hope for.
What I'm not prepared to accept anymore is spiritual "gobbledegook" even given with the best intentions, from yet another so called "spiritual master/guru who believes they have all the "answers".
You mean like that guy who started that cult a few years back... what was His name again? Oh yeah... Yeshua... I think they call Him "Jesus" now...
I'm not personally wanting you to follow or believe anything. I put those quotes out there so you could make a more informed decision. I just made you aware of the theory. You have to decide whether you believe it or not. Meher Baba doesn't want anyone proselytising and I don't. I wouldn't off handedly dismiss everything every "so called master/guru," says though or any human for that matter, unless I had all of the answers myself. I use my own powers of discernment to learn from everyone as best as I can.
I've told you I was a monk for 6 years. I've spent time in Buddhist monasteries, I've met and listened to some very highly respected people, sometimes spending months at a time with them. In other words, through a large part of my twenties, I followed a strict and unusual path that few ever experience or could even understand.
I don't belong to any religion. God and me don't need one. We get along just fine. Not that there's anything wrong with someone who follows religion... but infinite God can't really be confined to rules doctrines, etc... by His very definition, God is beyond the limits of everything...
But Hubbard was right when he said: "What's true for you is what you've observed to be true."
With all due respect to you, Toney, of course he was right when he said that because it's pure redundancy... It basically says "What's true for you is true for you."
Who can argue with that?
But I would add that what's true for us may not be THE Truth... the Truth/God doesn't need someone to believe it. It is what it is regardless. The same can be said for non-truth... no matter how many believe it, it won't make it so. I would have to have more than a HOPE for oblivion to gamble on suicide, but that's just me.
So I have my remnants of Christianity, which I've "observed" to be true. These are love, compassion, and forgiveness.
Yes, but where do love, compassion, & forgiveness fit in with killing yourself?
I had my blood tests results through yesterday. My liver (no surprises there, is damaged). My reaction to that was, well I'll simply drink more. You see, my life is one long experience of inner pain. It's been there too long to change and so, quite simply I want out. Did you ever see "Leaving Las Vegas?" (Yeah, crap film I know, especially the "whore", but I always enjoy Nic Cage), well that's how I'm feeling right now. Now I know my livers damaged and it's only going to get worse (I've repeatedly stated I'd never accept a liver transplant. I don't believe drinkers who purposefully destroy their own liver deserve one, usually at the expense of someone else on a very long waiting list, so they may die, whilst the Alkie gets it to start boozing again!) so I may as well hasten the process.
Geez, Toney... at least base your end on a decent film! That was one of the most boring deaths in screen history... Nic Cage can be good sometimes and terrible other times... Maybe you could make your exit like "The Iron Giant" saving the world from nuclear destruction...