Regarding Tori Schell Goodwin, when I left in 1998, she was the Costumes I/C in the Cine division of Gold. Her husband Neil Schell, the former HAS of Gold, blew in the early '90s. It sounds like Tori remarried and then got busted after I left in '98.

Goodwin is Tori's maiden name. (I knew her before she was married.)

UR Free - great to see you here - one person I have been trying to catch up on for a long time is Jens Uhrskov - he was D/ED Int back in the eighties but seems to have disappeared from view

Hi U R Free,

I would *love* to ask you some questions about the "Golden Age of Tech" and the alterations of the "basics" (like instant reads). I don't want to take away from this thread, though. Could you start another thread?

As for Bitty and Don Jason...I was on the base until late spring '97 and he was definitely not there. Or if he was, he was kept out of sight. I never saw him again after his Goldenrod was handed out at muster, just around Christmas '95 (I'm pretty sure it was '95). I remember Bitty's arrival there, but only vaguely. I couldn't tell you what year she made an appearance. She didn't take an active roll in the trainee program that I knew of.

Dee Dee

Dee Dee, I started a new thread on Golden Age of Tech. I'll be glad to answer any questions you have...

Hi U.R Free,

Thanks for coming out. I can tell you first off,
that the 5 former Int Base staffers who all
helped recently providing firsthand anonymous
material to reporters (ABC News, Nat Public Radio,
Glamour Mag, Salon.com, NY Post, and others I
don't recall at the moment), NONE OF THE FORMER
INT BASE STAFFERS HAVE BEEN HARASSED BY ANY
OSA OR SEA ORG PEOPLE.

I think to the Sea Org leadership's credit,
they are NOT harassing people, including me.

In the Salon.com article, the press were
even noted to NOT be getting the same level
of Private Eye activity, as in the 90's.

This to me, is a key threat keeping more
people from coming out.

I think it is so important to have people like
yourself come out.

I highly highly thank you for coming out.

Your opinions and sharing your observations
is so important to giving a good look at what
is the actual history of the movement.

I am sorry to hear about Diana.

She I think is truly in a pretty extensive
predicament.

Her father is L. Ron Hubbard, first off. We
each have to respect our parents.

There is no question that L. Ron Hubbard has
written for the Scientology movement policies
and advices which are not in his, nor anyone's
true best interests.

The Guardian's Office tactics that ended up
with MSH and the top loyal Guardian's Office
leadership "biting the bullet" and going to
jail, but protecting and covering for LRH, so
as to save him from jail, is a serious
issue that historically has happened many
times in history, with valid views on both
sides.

So Diana's mom, MSH, in MSH's loyalty to
LRH, decides to cover for Diana's dad.

I think we all have to step back, look at
a woman or the Hubbard children, as people
who have to also personally look at their
parents' lives, and reflect and come to grips
with the faults of their parents.

It is truly a story that should be told on
a 12-part (12 hour) TV series, by some honest and meat and potatoes TV journalists not obsessive with all the slanderous charges that have been
hurled in all directions, from Hubbard, back
at Hubbard, at the Scientology leadership, back
from the Scientology leadership.

There is just a human ongoing tragedy that L. Ron
Hubbard has put his family and untold tens of
thousands of at least temporarily "loyal" Scientology movement followers through.

Diana's story is a big one. Her story goes right into the bigger story of Hubbard, of all that surrounds LRH, and the official and unofficial movements claiming allegience to the Scientology "tech" today.

Thank you so much for coming out.

If you are "HIT" in any way, call me, and I will get media to come to your aid.

Media I have recently dealt with, have also promised to come to the aid of ANY recent defectors who are providing background info for the recent media that is making it public.

Could you start filling out the interrogatory here: http://alley.ethercat.com/xint/

More answers and questions for you in other posts to come.

Thanks for coming out!

I so hope more and more people continue coming out!

I hope Marty Rathbun goes to the authorities, gets immunity, and just unloads, and also that he unloads in public too.

The ongoing coverups and wrongnesses, which sadly almost all trace back to L. Ron Hubbard, are better to come out in the open, for all to see.


My goal is work with anyone coming out, to help
get enough of the raw material of the movement out in the open, so that the truly wise and better writers have the most largest body of raw material to sift through, and get the whole damn big story of the Scientology movement, and L. Ron Hubbard, and all the participants who have played major and minor roles in this whole long historical movement.

I think more info, first person, about the Int Base and the ongoing activities, the continuing mindset, any ongoing coverups, the sad true events on the ground, the personal animosities, the fads, the trends, the ups and downs of the people, is just so important to getting the picture of the whole movement correctly written up for anyone who really wishes to have an overall thorough good look at the Scientology movement!

Excellent on coming out!

Another Answer for Dee Dee regarding Paul
Schobel, an incredibly good person, no
question about that.

In late 1995, Paul was just completing
his decks for whatever his screwups were
for at the FLB, and like I said above, he
volunteered to be my initial decks buddy,
to ensure I had a study time twin.

I asked another ex-Int Base staffer and in
the late 90's I got this report on Paul:

The latest I know is that he had a medical situation (kidneys) and he wasn't working
but was out at berthing all the time. I
think he was giving others assists and
stuff, but wasn't on post. I don't know
what the prediction was in terms of it
getting better and/or going away completely.
It didn't seem real hopeful based on the
progress I observed. I mean, I don't know
if it was going to be terminal, but he
wasn't able to be on a post. Sorry I don't
have anything more concrete.

Chuck, did Marty Rathbun leave again, recently?

I recall Paul Schobel was a great guy. I know that he got removed from Qual Gold and posted in Estates back in the late 90s. He was invalidated so much (like most of Qual Gold who audited and trained the staff) I am sorry to hear he got ill. I liked Paul.

Chuck, I appreciate your comments and encouragement for speaking out, and all the things you said above. I may fill out an interrogatory--I hope you can save it and come back to it instead of completing it in one sitting!
I wanted to post something that would be interesting to many readers here. In some post I read a question someone asked about Danny Sherman, which reminded me of something that triggered my desire to leave Int and Scientology:
Danny Sherman (former GO) had been working at the Int base for about two years prior to 1998, as the writer/researcher/LRH Biographer, although he was a public. He got treated with kid gloves, i.e. COB made CMO INT buy him a car, we bought him a wardrobe for his speaking engagements, etc. Andy Lenarcic was in LRH PPRO INT up at Int, in charge of the LRH Biography, so Andy and Danny worked together. Andy made an announcement one night at a CMO INT staff meeting, explaining why it was taking him so long to complete the LRH Biography. He said that he and Danny had interviewed a lot of different people in LRH's past, and had come up with conflicting or completely different information that contradicted what he had already released about LRH in many of the prior LRH Magazines they had put out, i.e. Ron the Writer, Ron the Cinematographer, Ron the Philosopher, etc. What he was saying was that he had falsified various things in those publications. In my own naive way years prior, I had thought that the Ron Mags were real accounts of LRH's life. So to hear Andy admit he had concocted some of the information blew me away. I realized I had swallowed the PR line that information released about him was true, as authorized by RTC. I had heard this after I had found out about numerous HCOBs being altered by various staff at INT and released in OEC vols as if LRH had written them. These observations are what made me realize that there was no such thing as 100% standard tech or truth about Hubbard's background. I saw it as a scam and despite everything else I hated about sea org life, particularly the human rights violations, I realized I was part of a lunatic organization and had to get out. People need to know about this. The Int Execs work diligently to keep the wool pulled over their publics' eyes about "pure tech" and the sanctity of materials about Ron, it's pathetic. I don't know how they sleep at night, much less live from day to day with any kind of a conscience at all.

Chuck, I appreciate your comments and encouragement for speaking out, and all the things you said above. I may fill out an interrogatory--I hope you can save it and come back to it instead of completing it in one sitting!
I wanted to post something that would be interesting to many readers here. In some post I read a question someone asked about Danny Sherman, which reminded me of something that triggered my desire to leave Int and Scientology:
Danny Sherman (former GO) had been working at the Int base for about two years prior to 1998, as the writer/researcher/LRH Biographer, although he was a public. He got treated with kid gloves, i.e. COB made CMO INT buy him a car, we bought him a wardrobe for his speaking engagements, etc. Andy Lenarcic was in LRH PPRO INT up at Int, in charge of the LRH Biography, so Andy and Danny worked together. Andy made an announcement one night at a CMO INT staff meeting, explaining why it was taking him so long to complete the LRH Biography. He said that he and Danny had interviewed a lot of different people in LRH's past, and had come up with conflicting or completely different information that contradicted what he had already released about LRH in many of the prior LRH Magazines they had put out, i.e. Ron the Writer, Ron the Cinematographer, Ron the Philosopher, etc. What he was saying was that he had falsified various things in those publications. In my own naive way years prior, I had thought that the Ron Mags were real accounts of LRH's life. So to hear Andy admit he had concocted some of the information blew me away. I realized I had swallowed the PR line that information released about him was true, as authorized by RTC. I had heard this after I had found out about numerous HCOBs being altered by various staff at INT and released in OEC vols as if LRH had written them. These observations are what made me realize that there was no such thing as 100% standard tech or truth about Hubbard's background. I saw it as a scam and despite everything else I hated about sea org life, particularly the human rights violations, I realized I was part of a lunatic organization and had to get out. People need to know about this. The Int Execs work diligently to keep the wool pulled over their publics' eyes about "pure tech" and the sanctity of materials about Ron, it's pathetic. I don't know how they sleep at night, much less live from day to day with any kind of a conscience at all.

U. R. Free, even amongst the ex-Int Base
staffers already out, you're coming out
is incredibly appreciated.

If you wish to hook up, or stay low, do
what you feel right.

People are extremely happy you are coming
out and I am elated to say the least.

1 year ago when I finally got the nerve
to post, I saw the complete lack of info
from the Int Base viewpoint of history,
not since Jesse Prince has anyone given
good continuous info.

In the past year, and just now today, my
count is 19 former Int Base staffers have
come out to me, to media or on Clambake,
this is a serious good flow.

I think truly, things are being tolerated
and allowed, it just is slow to reach
people's minds, that we CAN speak out, the
legal docs we signed are NOT going to be
enforced, and if they are, believe me,
the media will broadcast ANY tactics OSA
or RTC orders against anyone coming out
now!

People who did get a tiny bit of harassment,
me and 1 other person, after getting sound
legal advice, have chose to continue speaking
out. The church of course could still legally
harass anyone, I think going openly to media
is such a key key safety valve.

There are so many smarter understanding people
who DO know the sad wrongful legacy of LRH's
worst policies, and there is such extensive
multiple hours of coverage detailing all the
past harassment, the media are wise, and will
continue to point out Scientology's wrongful
tactics if they do choose to continue to
employ them against ANY of the persons
coming out.

I think it obviously is the right thing to do
to speak out one's opinions and thoughts about
one's experiences in life.

We bought into the un-freedom of speech as
Sea Org members, and it takes some living
and interacting to undo it, and see that the
world, luckily, is on our side in doing the
normal thing of expressing our opinions and
thoughts about what we firsthand experienced
in our lives.

I hope more and more come out obviously like
you, and your material above you wrote is my
personal dreams come true, I so hoped people
would come out, and tell about the daily
frank briefings we as staffers get from those
working, like Andy Lenarcic did on Danny
Sherman.

This is just more raw data tracing back to
LRH's rules Andy and Danny were caught up
trying to carry out, another in my opinion
of the unwitting bad ramifications that
LRH failed to see would follow LRH's
faulty orders and policies.

The learning curve staff go through trying
to execute LRH's faulty rationale as ordered
in LRH policies and directives and advices
is all we are seeing in ourselves and others
still in.

This is the exact history of the slow
hopefully positive evolution of the official
Scientology movement, as it changes and hope-
fully discards peice by peice those policies
and orders of Hubbard that prompt all these
mistaken steps staff take trying to pump
up LRH and the whole Scientology world.

Your words above are so excellent.

I am posting them on ARS, where more ex's
can see them.

Thanks for rising up and getting the courage
to speak out what are simply your opinions
and experiences, which any human being is
fully within their rights to openly discuss
with their fellows!

There are plenty of fellows here, listening
to your words!

Thankyou more than you can imagine.

Another anonymous former Int Base staffer
came forward and gave this info I
give below on Paul Schobel.

19 former Int Base staffers have contacted
me in the mere 1 year since I started
hunting and asking former Int Base
staffers to come detail as much as
possible their opinions and experiences
at the Int Base for all observers of the official Scientology movement's top ranks
to share the wealth of info about what is happening there.

Latest I heard on Paul Schobel:

Kathy [Schobel] did end up back on tech
lines after the RPF over at CC Int. She
is currently back in ANZO living out her
life with her husband [Paul who is
universally liked by anyone who's worked
with him] who was not in such
good physical health.

I have to apologize to Kathy for cutting
in line on the PAC RPF chow line one time,
and pissing her intensely off. Sorry
Kathy. The PAC RPF chow lines were
disgraceful at times, just animal-like
behavior.

This is GREAT news, Chuck! Thanks, U.R.Free for sharing all of this, too.

I was 'In" When Danny began all the BS about L. Ron Hubbard---and as it got worse and worse each year. I could barely stand it towards the end, and I was still "In". Most people I knew were grossed out by his one H O U R presentations of endless junk.

I have found great joy and peace in posting on the Internet, connecting up with others, learning all the amazing stories, and I love hearing others as they wake up!

Last night 2 more "OT's" called me, thrilled to have their lives back, in full. It's quite amazing, isn't it?

I love the Internet, and everyone who takes the time to expose this insidious organization. The more we speak, the less they have ((and I'm not saying all is bad, just the abuses)).

Hail Tom Cruise! The Golden Boy has royally opened up ALL channels for the media, and thus the world. I knew it would come...I just had no idea it would be their golden boy. Hi DM
hahahahahha.........Gavino: Keep up the Terrific work!:lol:

Lots of love

Tory/Magoo~~
(818) 841- 3632

Paul Schobel is for sure a fine person. He unfortunately had a kidney condition which was possibly congenital. He had it at least as far back as 1986. The S.O. lifestyle, the stress of being an int base staffer, and/or the "tech" (he was on NOTs) evidently caused a deterioration. The opposite of what is supposed to happen if you believe their PR.

Kathy Schobel is also a very good person, who got stuck with a virtually untenable post -- Snr C/S CC Int. She lasted longer than just about anybody in that position before getting RPFed.
Goofs on celebrities were generally treated more severely than those on regular public, and auditing and training of celebs was given greater scrutiny. Very likely this is still the case.

Dan Sherman has worked at the int base (on the so-called biography, writing speeches, helping on certain publications, appearing in international events) at least since 1993. It is interesting that DM gave him, a non-S.O. member, such royal treatment.

IMPORTANT INFO FOR EX-SEA ORG!!!!

Here is another great post from Chuck Beatty, (who I wish would come back and post here! BTW, Ladybird=Tammy in this thread.)

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The unstated internal feeling even in the top ranks, that DM's reign will someday end.

From: chuckbeatty77 @aol.com - view profile
Date: Fri, Feb 10 2006 9:56 am


There was a meeting, XSO chat group reunion, at Las Vegas, for between
10-20 ex Sea Org members.

The rule was and is, that what happens in Vegas, stays at Vegas. Lots
of drinking, eating, and sharing old stories. For 3 days for some, and
2 days for me.


There is plenty of years to come, for what I'd like to do, which is
spend some weeks interviewing each of all of the old principle figures
who are now out of the movement, and record whatever they are willing
to share about their experiences and their opinions about it all, and
then get that information put somewhere for history's sake.


I think I can share these general things, which I learned from this Las
Vegas reunion:


1) Probably abvanced observers of the Scn movement already know
firsthand stories of this, but this was new news to me. I learned
that people like Greg Wilhere, who is still in the top ranks of the Sea
Org (he was last known to be busted out of RTC and now working in next
lower Int Base organization in the Int Base pecking order of
organizations called CMO Int), that Greg in years past expressed
indirectly that he understands, in effect, the "bad" things that DM has
brought about.


Several stories I heard relate to Greg using the ploy to say "things
will get better" with the implication that if people just wait it out,
etc., and that David Miscavige's bad influences will be outlived and
smoothed out by others once David Miscavige somehow makes his exit from
the stage.


Of course, that hasn't happened. DM has just not let that happen.
DM's marginalized and effectively beaten down all competition to
replacing him.


But the important fact to me is that people like Greg Wilhere who
worked for years doing DM's biddings, that he possessed this thought,
whether he was conveniently using it, or he has levels of awareness
where he actually recognizes DM's insanity. Greg's sticking it out
inside the movement, still near the top ranks, but demoted to CMO Int,
down from RTC, in 2005, the last word.


I don't think Greg's the only person feeling that way either. All the
others who were in the former clique of "senior execs" (Norman, Ray,
Mark Yager, Guilliaume), have all been hammered in recent years, and
almost universally, in my opinion, share that hope that DM will vacate
the top spot, and things will inevitably improve as a result. They're
sticking in there to put the pieces back together, my impression, once
DM's out of the picture.


Again, that isn't happening, and looks more unlikely. But as things
worsen, it might just jog DM out.


(That's why I so hope people who've been hit and smacked and slapped
and pushed and shoved and received any of David Miscavige's ranting
scolding ridiculing behavior will come forward, especial who's received
it in 2005-2006.)


------------------------------------


2) Separately, importantly, I learned that the former biggies who have
"jumped ship" will help any of the existing biggies who are getting
clobbered who are still in the Sea Org, if the existing biggies ever
decide to "jump ship." If Heber, Norman, Greg, Mark Yager, etc., etc,
if any of the current biggies need a place to go to begin to restart
their lives, there are people in Las Vegas and around the world, who
will lend a helping hand to any of the biggies who decide now or in the
future to "jump ship."


But I am sure that Greg, Norman, Mark Yager, etc., etc., already know
they have a place a stay and old friends who will help them restart
their lives.


The offer stands, and will stand for all the years to come, for them.
Their old friends will put them up, and help them restart their lives,
if they "jump ship."


For years now in the Sea Org, there have been periodic fads of sec
check questions asking Sea Org members if they had any outside
contacts to "SPs", and this was done because no one wanted the people
inside learning how easy it is to get out and get help restarting their
lives after "jumping ship."


3) The former biggies who "jumped ship" are doing extremely well in
life. There is no question people look great, and are a joy to be
around. They have secured themselves a better life and everyone acts
very unthreateningly normal once they are out of the Sea Org rules
enforced pecking order hammering on one's subordinates and scapegoats
and 1984 history revision game.


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4) 3rd hand story, humor. One former pretty high up biggy who already
has "jumped ship" was wondering who would be perfect to lead the
movement, and be most like LRH, and replace DM. This former pretty
high up biggy was pacing back and forth, thinking outloud at an earlier
gathering some time ago of other former biggies, then in a fit of
sanity said, DM was the perfect replacement for LRH, and no better
replacement was needed for DM. DM's even better than LRH at carrying
out LRH's life's work.


So the Scn movement has the perfect match for carrying out LRH's works.
DM. There's no better replacement for LRH.


--------------------------------


5) One last generic story. Others know this, I just couldn't believe
it, but when you hear it from firsthand ex-participants, there's no
contesting it. LRH had people unjustly busted, and then LRH "picked
them back up", unquestionably as a sick manipulative tactic to secure
people's support and gratitude for LRH. DM's doing the same thing.
DM's following LRH's own sick behavior, and doing it better than LRH.
This is another factor in the lives of those immediately around DM, but
DM's even more the hammering them into submission type, he'd done that
better than LRH. LRH was routinely a manipulative SOB and DM's even
better at executing LRH's style than LRH.


Oh well.
----------------------------------------


I now see the point that one of the former major Sea Org execs who was
spit on by DM years back, their advice to me months and months ago was
get on with my life, as soon as I could, and enjoy it. Good advice.


The movement is snarled up in its own created troubles. There is a
runway getting back to a normal life, and the sooner you get on with
enjoying a normal life again, the better.


Chuck Beatty
Ex-Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1975-2003)
Flag Dec 1975-Jun 1983 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
Int Base 1983-1984 (Routing Forms Pjt)
Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1984-87
Re-Training (Int and LA) 87-88
Int Training Org, LA 88 (Sec Checker Sup)
LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, (Sept 88-Feb 89)
Int RPF (Feb-Mar 89)
PAC RPF (Mar-May 89)
Int Training Org (May-Sept 89) (Admin Sup)
INCOMM Sep 89-Sept 90 (Routing Forms Pjt)
INCOMM Sept 90-May92 (Computer Room LA & Int)
ASI May 92-Dec95 (Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
Decks Int (Dec 95-Jun 96)
Int RPF (Jun 96-Nov 2000)
PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2003)
Routed out March 29, 2003.


To Join XSO and network to old Sea Org friends:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XSO/
(I highly recommend ex-Sea Org joining.)


Chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
http://www.freewebs.com/chuckbeatty77/
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05205/542899.stm
412-260-1170 (I'll be happy to network anyone to anyone)
(media call me from time to time, and I will
network anyone to media so people with firsthand
experiences can anonymously or publicly help
expose things that obviously should be changed
inside the movement.)

If Chuck can get that project going (if he hasn't already) it would be a good thing. He could get some of this together and get it webbed THEN add to it as he does more (i.e. I don't think that he should wait until he has a huge amount of materials).

Also, ideally, it should be webbed on more than one site. I think that Chuck should ask Andreas if he would make a place for it on the home page here.