IMPORTANT INFO FOR EX-SEA ORG!!!!
Here is another great post from Chuck Beatty, (who I wish would come back and post here! BTW, Ladybird=Tammy in this thread.)
The unstated internal feeling even in the top ranks, that DM's reign will someday end.
From: chuckbeatty77 @aol.com - view profile
Date: Fri, Feb 10 2006 9:56 am
There was a meeting, XSO chat group reunion, at Las Vegas, for between
10-20 ex Sea Org members.
The rule was and is, that what happens in Vegas, stays at Vegas. Lots
of drinking, eating, and sharing old stories. For 3 days for some, and
2 days for me.
There is plenty of years to come, for what I'd like to do, which is
spend some weeks interviewing each of all of the old principle figures
who are now out of the movement, and record whatever they are willing
to share about their experiences and their opinions about it all, and
then get that information put somewhere for history's sake.
I think I can share these general things, which I learned from this Las
1) Probably abvanced observers of the Scn movement already know
firsthand stories of this, but this was new news to me. I learned
that people like Greg Wilhere, who is still in the top ranks of the Sea
Org (he was last known to be busted out of RTC and now working in next
lower Int Base organization in the Int Base pecking order of
organizations called CMO Int), that Greg in years past expressed
indirectly that he understands, in effect, the "bad" things that DM has
Several stories I heard relate to Greg using the ploy to say "things
will get better" with the implication that if people just wait it out,
etc., and that David Miscavige's bad influences will be outlived and
smoothed out by others once David Miscavige somehow makes his exit from
Of course, that hasn't happened. DM has just not let that happen.
DM's marginalized and effectively beaten down all competition to
But the important fact to me is that people like Greg Wilhere who
worked for years doing DM's biddings, that he possessed this thought,
whether he was conveniently using it, or he has levels of awareness
where he actually recognizes DM's insanity. Greg's sticking it out
inside the movement, still near the top ranks, but demoted to CMO Int,
down from RTC, in 2005, the last word.
I don't think Greg's the only person feeling that way either. All the
others who were in the former clique of "senior execs" (Norman, Ray,
Mark Yager, Guilliaume), have all been hammered in recent years, and
almost universally, in my opinion, share that hope that DM will vacate
the top spot, and things will inevitably improve as a result. They're
sticking in there to put the pieces back together, my impression, once
DM's out of the picture.
Again, that isn't happening, and looks more unlikely. But as things
worsen, it might just jog DM out.
(That's why I so hope people who've been hit and smacked and slapped
and pushed and shoved and received any of David Miscavige's ranting
scolding ridiculing behavior will come forward, especial who's received
it in 2005-2006.)
2) Separately, importantly, I learned that the former biggies who have
"jumped ship" will help any of the existing biggies who are getting
clobbered who are still in the Sea Org, if the existing biggies ever
decide to "jump ship." If Heber, Norman, Greg, Mark Yager, etc., etc,
if any of the current biggies need a place to go to begin to restart
their lives, there are people in Las Vegas and around the world, who
will lend a helping hand to any of the biggies who decide now or in the
future to "jump ship."
But I am sure that Greg, Norman, Mark Yager, etc., etc., already know
they have a place a stay and old friends who will help them restart
The offer stands, and will stand for all the years to come, for them.
Their old friends will put them up, and help them restart their lives,
if they "jump ship."
For years now in the Sea Org, there have been periodic fads of sec
check questions asking Sea Org members if they had any outside
contacts to "SPs", and this was done because no one wanted the people
inside learning how easy it is to get out and get help restarting their
lives after "jumping ship."
3) The former biggies who "jumped ship" are doing extremely well in
life. There is no question people look great, and are a joy to be
around. They have secured themselves a better life and everyone acts
very unthreateningly normal once they are out of the Sea Org rules
enforced pecking order hammering on one's subordinates and scapegoats
and 1984 history revision game.
4) 3rd hand story, humor. One former pretty high up biggy who already
has "jumped ship" was wondering who would be perfect to lead the
movement, and be most like LRH, and replace DM. This former pretty
high up biggy was pacing back and forth, thinking outloud at an earlier
gathering some time ago of other former biggies, then in a fit of
sanity said, DM was the perfect replacement for LRH, and no better
replacement was needed for DM. DM's even better than LRH at carrying
out LRH's life's work.
So the Scn movement has the perfect match for carrying out LRH's works.
DM. There's no better replacement for LRH.
5) One last generic story. Others know this, I just couldn't believe
it, but when you hear it from firsthand ex-participants, there's no
contesting it. LRH had people unjustly busted, and then LRH "picked
them back up", unquestionably as a sick manipulative tactic to secure
people's support and gratitude for LRH. DM's doing the same thing.
DM's following LRH's own sick behavior, and doing it better than LRH.
This is another factor in the lives of those immediately around DM, but
DM's even more the hammering them into submission type, he'd done that
better than LRH. LRH was routinely a manipulative SOB and DM's even
better at executing LRH's style than LRH.
I now see the point that one of the former major Sea Org execs who was
spit on by DM years back, their advice to me months and months ago was
get on with my life, as soon as I could, and enjoy it. Good advice.
The movement is snarled up in its own created troubles. There is a
runway getting back to a normal life, and the sooner you get on with
enjoying a normal life again, the better.
Ex-Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1975-2003)
Flag Dec 1975-Jun 1983 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
Int Base 1983-1984 (Routing Forms Pjt)
Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1984-87
Re-Training (Int and LA) 87-88
Int Training Org, LA 88 (Sec Checker Sup)
LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, (Sept 88-Feb 89)
Int RPF (Feb-Mar 89)
PAC RPF (Mar-May 89)
Int Training Org (May-Sept 89) (Admin Sup)
INCOMM Sep 89-Sept 90 (Routing Forms Pjt)
INCOMM Sept 90-May92 (Computer Room LA & Int)
ASI May 92-Dec95 (Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
Decks Int (Dec 95-Jun 96)
Int RPF (Jun 96-Nov 2000)
PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2003)
Routed out March 29, 2003.
To Join XSO and network to old Sea Org friends:
(I highly recommend ex-Sea Org joining.)
412-260-1170 (I'll be happy to network anyone to anyone)
(media call me from time to time, and I will
network anyone to media so people with firsthand
experiences can anonymously or publicly help
expose things that obviously should be changed
inside the movement.)