It's kept secret so no one will know:
who goofed who's floof!


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There was quite a bit of 'huffle ruffle' and upset and so on before R6 took place. What it was was the Loyal Officers were the body, the elective body, and they called them the Loyal Officers and they were there to protect the populations and so forth. And they had elected a fellow by the name of Xenu, could be spelled Xemu, to the supreme 'rulah' and they were about to unelect him. And he took the last moments he had in office to really 'goof the floof'.

[Sound of pencil dropping]

Yes, I don't blame you for dropping something. [laughter].

He took these last moments to really upset it [garbled] . . . the population to pick them up one after the other Rat-a-tat-tat-a-tat-tat. One of the mechanisms they used was to tell them to come in for an income tax investigation. The United
States just copies income taxes - [it is] R6. They are just a bunch of dramatizing psychotics, these guys.

-L Ron Hubbard" Class VIII Course, Lecture #10,"
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(don't drop the soap...
or your pencil...)

All I did was politely answer some questions...

I expect to be taken seriously!
Just like L. Ron Hubbard!

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From "Dianetics: The Mein Kampf of Scientology:

"Perhaps at some distant date only the unaberrated person will be
granted civil rights before law. Perhaps the goal will be reached at
some future time when only the unaberrated person can attain to and
benefit from citizenship. These are desirable goals..."

(Dianetics, book 3, chapter 10)

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I notice that we all believe that Venus has a methane atmosphere and is unlivable. I almost got run down by a freight locomotive the other day -- didn't look very uncivilized to me. I'm allergic to freight locomotives, they're always running into you. Now we notice that Mars doesn't have any atmosphere either and won't support life. In spite of the fact that it turns green and red and purple with the seasons, it doesn't support life. We understand -- there's lots of things we understand about this system -- heh-heh! Isn't it? But this is a carefully maintained station. And a space-opera, meat-body type society maintains it very carefully. They have a hospital, there's space craft hanging around there, dispatcher stations, landing platforms, this type of thing. It's all highly civilized, but they carefully maintain this one. And it's very interesting, they maintain this one. They've maintained it for thousands of years without any change. Why, it's fascinating.

- BETWEEN LIVES IMPLANTS
A lecture given on 23 July 1963 (by L. Ron Hubbard)


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Well...Pit Bull and Hubbard Mushroom....

*This* thread is called, "Rebuilding your life".
If you two want to start another thread about how bad you think Alan really is, go for it. Questions are one thing. Constant bantering of another really isn't on-topic, is it? He isn't Hubbard...can you get that into your brains?

Also, from all he's said, nor does he want to be. He could tell us some pretty interesting stories, if you'd just give him a littttttttttle break.
He's not asking you to get auditing.

I know two people who went to him when they first left, they had a few gains, realized it was OK to let go of ALL of the tech, and they've been out, ever since. That's pretty good, eh?

I for one would really enjoy hearing a bit of what HE has to say, about this very topic, and experiences he had with Hubbard, which is VERY on topic.

Ok?

Thanks.

Tory/Magoo~

"Braveheart congratulations on duplicating Hubbard’s technique number one......Everybody’s bad and evil except me."

Did I say that or even imply it? No I didn't. I'm arguing with you. Big difference.

"And of course - you never ever finger point!"

Of course I finger point, silly! I'm human. When I finger point, the best response is to correct me with real answers. I'm not afraid to be incorrect.

"Some are using standard scientology emotional blackmail techniques....mainly if: “I don't think the way you do or do what you want - you won't approve of me!” Wonder how many times a day you run that on your friends and associates?"

There's nothing particularly emotional about my asking you those questions or making the statements I did, Alan. I'm participating in an intellectual disagreement with you.

Good point Magoo. It's nice to hear that you are finally beginning to confront and embrace the possiblity that there are some GOOD aspects of Scientology.

Pitbull,
Good point Magoo. It's nice to hear that you are finally beginning to confront and embrace the possiblity that there are some GOOD aspects of Scientology.
Nice twist you put there but do you honestly think anyone with more than two brain cells still living will not see through it?

IMO people with more than two brain cells may be interested in Alan's stories.

Specially if they're critics.

He knew and worked with the guy. Very few have ever made critical comment on LRH from a personal
veiwpoint of knowing him.

Alan dosn't do scientology. I believe he had to prove that legally even.

So he does clearing technology. Its a therapy.

You wish to villify this even if unconnected to COS and Hubbard? Why not? Go ahead.

You wish to find some inside info, give him some space. Give him some welcome, return flow,
acknowledgement.

He may not wish to stay here. Those who want to know more should make him welcome. I'm sure he has other stuff he's happy to do instead.

That's right. I've been a critic for more years than most here but I've never seen so much Blind hating at times.
This is an important thread and will probably be referred to for some time as it should. It's a big problem for those that seethe with hatred. That bad enough...but it's a learning opportunity lost for them. pity.

Alan doesn't do scientology.

If he uses the framework of processes..what is the problem?
Hubbard didn't invent processes. The oldest Zen koans were simple processes.

I'll buy that. I do think I own Alan a serious apology for being so dogged in my own slobbish remarks.

Actually I really want to hear his stories about Hubbard. Personally it will help me to study hubbard better.

Terril, since when did you start using your own brain cells? Sounds like progress here.

My brain cells tell me that “The $huts, Ladders, $hadows, and Mirrors of the Hubbard’s Cupboard” sounds like a good book deal! That’s the best way to get an audience! Alan’s too smart to give it away on a message board?

Whats important is, that I telepathically talked to Ron last night and he wants me to tell you that if he really did have a good heart, he might be ashamed of what he did to you!

He said, if someday you finally see your way clear and get pissed off at him, he would feel a lot better! He said he knows that your anger is the best therapy in itself. After all he said, I did create another rendition of hell there inside the box … by opening up the cupboard door and steeping out into the light they all get to know what heaven is about!

I then used my theta hand and banished him forever into a windowless boxcar on a locomotive on Venus!

Terrill sez that " very few have made critical remarks of him (LRH) from the personal viewpoint of knowing him". I don't know to whom you have spoken. There are some oldtimers who admire LRH as a person, I guess. Most who have any admiration for him at all base it in the tech. Those who still respect him as a person just seem ignorant of the facts of his life, and the suppressive policies that he created. It is a moot point. He is dead. His product lives.
On another subject: Alan has said that sec checking OTs leads to their downfall., ( totally paraphrased by me ). I will add that it also can lead to the downfall of an auditor. Nevermind the burdensome folder admin that is required above and beyond a regular session. One gets the idea that ALL people are shits. All have secret crimes, misdemeanors, evil purposes, hidden agendas. It sours one's opinion of his fellow man.
When I was on the Flagship, Ron had his private quarters on an upper deck. There was a staircase up to it which was guarded by the usual SO. There was a red light that was 'on' when LRH was doing research. One would believe that he was busy busy busy designing new processes or methods of delivering old processes, or solo auditing whereas, it is also possible that he could have been in there swallowing chemicals. One theory is as good as another. The LRH thatI knew had abundant charisma. He was also a master hypnotist.
Whatever. He was a man of many facets, and I think that no one person ever saw all of those facets.
I hate to type even more that the treasured Alan, but I will soon get around to telling some stories about the early 50s. I have posted on the subject before, on ARS, when it first was put up as a critical site, but Google does not archive that far into the past. It's hard for me cuz by-passed charge gets in the way.

la

Hi jana,
There are few who have spoke about personal
stories with LRH. Specially from early days. Pat
Krenik has, and is a good friend. She is although not uncritical an admirer. She said he had a game for everyone. Must be from his good days.

She has a forum " oldtimers" specifically to record personal stories re LRH. Few have been.
Hope you wish yours archived. I don't know anyone else who knew him from the beginning, let alone wrote. On the net we have Otto Roos, a little from Ralph Hilton, I have on MP3 some from Ray Kemp,
and Mayo.

Best I know, you and Alan have written the most.
Phil Spickler some also.

I agree with yours and Alan's comments re sec checking. Like my departure was re an A-J check which was apparently on my CCRD. And worse. I was even then an old timer. Trivial, but intensely invalidative and completely screwy. Then an examination of PDH when I saw a child psychologist
aged 3!

I should have walked out of session. Could have resulted in isolation watch. But I was trying to make things go right. And I did. I left. Now I tell the world they can do the good stuff.

Outside COS.


Yet there is another side. One of my greatest actions was FPRD, done purely for case gain, on my own determinism.

Was a bit like life repair. I knew O/Ws were some of my ruin. I was educated enough to know was not this life. So I grabbed that rundown and took it to the limit. I ended up having to write SSs every day just to try and be sessionable and not
be ext or persistant F/N. Or both.

I know that if I was on OT 7, I couldn't even have put my attention on the areas I made gains on.

There is an HCOB on mixing rundowns I gather.
This is surely violated on OT 7 sec checks.